Markelle Fultz

[reanimator]

At this point it would take quite a game to move him into my top 6. I have moved him up past DSJ recently.

Could you post your big board, I'm legitimately curious

It's not finalized. I'll do that once the season starts and then it'll be a slightly moving target until Draft night as information comes in.

I also don't care about how prospects will do initially. I put more emphasis on what they'll be once they realize their potential and become their best selves. This is how I envision redrafts in 2020 going

But if I must.

My redraft Big Board:

Ball-best PG in the class
Jackson-versatile elite defender with upside
Ntilikina-elite defender, combo guard. Raw but immense upside. Maybe most in class
Bridges-Draymond Green if he was one of the best athletes in the NBA who can play 3 and 4
Leaf-Kevin Love 2.0. Ideal stretch 4 skills. Needs upper body strength that should come in 2-3 years
Tatum-Chance to match Otto Porter who I see as developing into one of the better two way SF in the league
Fox-elite defender, huge upside offensively/physically.
Isaac-will take a few years but poor man's Bosh
Fultz-PnR nightmare, scores on all three levels...IF he raises intensity. More flash than substance right now
Monk-Avery Bradley on steroids
Kurucs-Manu 2.0 with better athleticism and higher upside
DSJ-D Rose lite but better PG skills. dropping down my board
Adebayo-Dwight light. Huge upside. 50/50 he reaches it. Has tools to do it though.
Ferguson-based on 3 and D. Highlight machine in the making

My mock draft:

Ball
Fultz
Jackson
Tatum
Monk
Ntilikina
Isaac
Bridges
Leaf
DSJ
Fox
Adebayo
Kurucs
Ferguson


Edit...how about yours?

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[jrob23]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

[sikma42]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

You sound like a crazy person. All the games are meaningless, but getting up for another top prospect is seen as bad thing. But if he didn't play people would question his toughness. Truly unhinged.

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[Marcus]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

Did he do something to you?

[Gam]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

As much as I'd hate to see Boston win the lotto and draft Fultz (because I think Fultz is really good and I'm worried about Boston in the east the next 5-10 years), at least I can be happy knowing it'd piss you off.

[SirChurros]

After not really seeing a whole lot of him, the heated debate in this thread made me go back and watch some Fultz highlights/games. Definitely sold on this kid. His game is almost effortless at time and anyone who argues "lack of competition" is just ignorant. It's not like he's Lillard playing at Weber State.

yeah, that's what laymans do. They don't watch complete games. They watch cherry picked highlights with him scoring and blocking shots. How can you form an informed opinion that way? You can't that's how. Everyone who hypes this kid is mostly like you. It's groupthink. This is what draft sites do too which is why they're laughably ignorant as well. If you can't see the difference in his performances against the poorer Pac 12 and out of conference teams on their schedule, and the better teams than you aren't really interested in objective analysis.

The fact is, he is able to get shots off in college because he has a height/skill and athleticism advantage against most. At the next level he'll still have a size advantage and some skill advantage but not with athleticism. Those drives to the basket and finishes will simply not happen on the next level at the rate they do in college. That's a huge part of his game. You take that away and you'll be left with a jump shooter who is elite off PnR. Since that is huge in today's NBA, I can see him having a modicum of success. But because he's just a slightly above average athlete he will not be able to get his shots off or get separation like he does now. His lackadaisical playing style isn't going to do him any favors against NBA level defenders. If he is ever going to realize his potential and live up to the hype he'll have to bring it at all times. He'll really need to raise the intensity of his on ball defense, his handle and motor in general. His shot selection is a concern as well.

He doesn't have top 10 PG upside. He's a slightly better Jamal Murray...maybe.

Yeah, I think you're completely wrong, but that's just me.

[Shamrock]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

Did he do something to you?

Def gave his GF the D

[Jingles]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

Yes because it really behooves him to play at less than 100% and risk a worse injury somewhere else a few months before he's set to become the top pick in the draft when his team is going nowhere and has little to play for anyway.

[jrob23]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

Yes because it really behooves him to play at less than 100% and risk a worse injury somewhere else a few months before he's set to become the top pick in the draft when his team is going nowhere and has little to play for anyway.

then why did he play that last game? Why did he say that he was fine just taking precautions days after he first "injured" himself? Simmons got blasted for taking games off and playing with seemingly little effort and not getting his team into the tournament. The fact that you are here defending him for obviously abandoning his teammates shows you aren't objective. Little to play for? How about his teammates. I take it he'll miss the big UCLA game that is nationally televised then right? I mean, no reason to play. Team isn't going anywhere. If he plays you'll have even less to stand on.

[Jingles]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

Yes because it really behooves him to play at less than 100% and risk a worse injury somewhere else a few months before he's set to become the top pick in the draft when his team is going nowhere and has little to play for anyway.

then why did he play that last game? Why did he say that he was fine just taking precautions days after he first "injured" himself? Simmons got blasted for taking games off and playing with seemingly little effort and not getting his team into the tournament. The fact that you are here defending him for obviously abandoning his teammates shows you aren't objective. Little to play for? How about his teammates. I take it he'll miss the big UCLA game that is nationally televised then right? I mean, no reason to play. Team isn't going anywhere. If he plays you'll have even less to stand on.

What does Simmons have anything to do with anything? Do you have quotes from his teammates? Are athletes always completely forthcoming about their injury status?

I will give you a hint: 1) Nothing 2) No 3) Never

Please look up "confirmation bias" before you respond again in this thread.

[madmaxmedia]

He seems like a pretty good guy:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2695333-markelle-fultz-is-the-big-man-on-campus-20-inside-the-making-of-a-superstar

I don't think he is only relying on athletic advantage (that won't exist in the NBA) to score in college. He has good footwork, plays smoothly and in control, and is very comfortable shooting off the dribble. He says he needs to improve his 3 point shooting but is at 41% for the year which bodes well for the NBA. I think he'll be able to score at all 3 levels in the NBA- at the rim, midrange, and long-distance.

He's a willing passer but it's not his forte. So as a PG he'll have to be a good scorer to really make an impact in the NBA. If he were 2 inches taller you probably want him at 2 instead.

[jrob23]

Yes because it really behooves him to play at less than 100% and risk a worse injury somewhere else a few months before he's set to become the top pick in the draft when his team is going nowhere and has little to play for anyway.

then why did he play that last game? Why did he say that he was fine just taking precautions days after he first "injured" himself? Simmons got blasted for taking games off and playing with seemingly little effort and not getting his team into the tournament. The fact that you are here defending him for obviously abandoning his teammates shows you aren't objective. Little to play for? How about his teammates. I take it he'll miss the big UCLA game that is nationally televised then right? I mean, no reason to play. Team isn't going anywhere. If he plays you'll have even less to stand on.

What does Simmons have anything to do with anything? Do you have quotes from his teammates? Are athletes always completely forthcoming about their injury status?

I will give you a hint: 1) Nothing 2) No 3) Never

Please look up "confirmation bias" before you respond again in this thread.

oh the irony

[Jingles]

then why did he play that last game? Why did he say that he was fine just taking precautions days after he first "injured" himself? Simmons got blasted for taking games off and playing with seemingly little effort and not getting his team into the tournament. The fact that you are here defending him for obviously abandoning his teammates shows you aren't objective. Little to play for? How about his teammates. I take it he'll miss the big UCLA game that is nationally televised then right? I mean, no reason to play. Team isn't going anywhere. If he plays you'll have even less to stand on.

What does Simmons have anything to do with anything? Do you have quotes from his teammates? Are athletes always completely forthcoming about their injury status?

I will give you a hint: 1) Nothing 2) No 3) Never

Please look up "confirmation bias" before you respond again in this thread.

oh the irony

Look up irony too.

[jrob23]

What does Simmons have anything to do with anything? Do you have quotes from his teammates? Are athletes always completely forthcoming about their injury status?

I will give you a hint: 1) Nothing 2) No 3) Never

Please look up "confirmation bias" before you respond again in this thread.

oh the irony

Look up irony too.

lol triggered on his own failed troll. move along kid

[oddity]

After not really seeing a whole lot of him, the heated debate in this thread made me go back and watch some Fultz highlights/games. Definitely sold on this kid. His game is almost effortless at time and anyone who argues "lack of competition" is just ignorant. It's not like he's Lillard playing at Weber State.

yeah, that's what laymans do. They don't watch complete games. They watch cherry picked highlights with him scoring and blocking shots. How can you form an informed opinion that way? You can't that's how. Everyone who hypes this kid is mostly like you. It's groupthink. This is what draft sites do too which is why they're laughably ignorant as well. If you can't see the difference in his performances against the poorer Pac 12 and out of conference teams on their schedule, and the better teams than you aren't really interested in objective analysis.

The fact is, he is able to get shots off in college because he has a height/skill and athleticism advantage against most. At the next level he'll still have a size advantage and some skill advantage but not with athleticism. Those drives to the basket and finishes will simply not happen on the next level at the rate they do in college. That's a huge part of his game. You take that away and you'll be left with a jump shooter who is elite off PnR. Since that is huge in today's NBA, I can see him having a modicum of success. But because he's just a slightly above average athlete he will not be able to get his shots off or get separation like he does now. His lackadaisical playing style isn't going to do him any favors against NBA level defenders. If he is ever going to realize his potential and live up to the hype he'll have to bring it at all times. He'll really need to raise the intensity of his on ball defense, his handle and motor in general. His shot selection is a concern as well.

He doesn't have top 10 PG upside. He's a slightly better Jamal Murray...maybe.

He's fast, changes speed effortlessly and has fantastic footwork. He knows how to run a pnr. He has a tight handle and creativity in his moves. HOW is he POSSIBLY going to have a hard time driving in the NBA?????

[jrob23]

Well, he did it. He quit on his team. Let's hope Danny doesn't reward him with the #1 if we get it. Hard pass.

[jrob23]

After not really seeing a whole lot of him, the heated debate in this thread made me go back and watch some Fultz highlights/games. Definitely sold on this kid. His game is almost effortless at time and anyone who argues "lack of competition" is just ignorant. It's not like he's Lillard playing at Weber State.

yeah, that's what laymans do. They don't watch complete games. They watch cherry picked highlights with him scoring and blocking shots. How can you form an informed opinion that way? You can't that's how. Everyone who hypes this kid is mostly like you. It's groupthink. This is what draft sites do too which is why they're laughably ignorant as well. If you can't see the difference in his performances against the poorer Pac 12 and out of conference teams on their schedule, and the better teams than you aren't really interested in objective analysis.

The fact is, he is able to get shots off in college because he has a height/skill and athleticism advantage against most. At the next level he'll still have a size advantage and some skill advantage but not with athleticism. Those drives to the basket and finishes will simply not happen on the next level at the rate they do in college. That's a huge part of his game. You take that away and you'll be left with a jump shooter who is elite off PnR. Since that is huge in today's NBA, I can see him having a modicum of success. But because he's just a slightly above average athlete he will not be able to get his shots off or get separation like he does now. His lackadaisical playing style isn't going to do him any favors against NBA level defenders. If he is ever going to realize his potential and live up to the hype he'll have to bring it at all times. He'll really need to raise the intensity of his on ball defense, his handle and motor in general. His shot selection is a concern as well.

He doesn't have top 10 PG upside. He's a slightly better Jamal Murray...maybe.

He's fast, changes speed effortlessly and has fantastic footwork. He knows how to run a pnr. He has a tight handle and creativity in his moves. HOW is he POSSIBLY going to have a hard time driving in the NBA?????

watch and see

[Jingles]

oh the irony

Look up irony too.

lol triggered on his own failed troll. move along kid

I've made like three posts in this whole thread, none of which shed any light on my opinion of Markelle Fultz as a player, person, or prospect. I have no agenda regarding this player, and have provided no narrative that would reflect any biases about him. I'm sorry you didn't understand what I said.

[oddity]

wow. What a fraud. His "sore knee" keeps him out another game. I guarantee he'll miraculously be healthy enough to play a meaningless game (for the team) against UCLA. Not a good look.

And then...

Well, he did it. He quit on his team. Let's hope Danny doesn't reward him with the #1 if we get it. Hard pass.

You're absolutely deranged.

[Gam]

yeah, that's what laymans do. They don't watch complete games. They watch cherry picked highlights with him scoring and blocking shots. How can you form an informed opinion that way? You can't that's how. Everyone who hypes this kid is mostly like you. It's groupthink. This is what draft sites do too which is why they're laughably ignorant as well. If you can't see the difference in his performances against the poorer Pac 12 and out of conference teams on their schedule, and the better teams than you aren't really interested in objective analysis.

The fact is, he is able to get shots off in college because he has a height/skill and athleticism advantage against most. At the next level he'll still have a size advantage and some skill advantage but not with athleticism. Those drives to the basket and finishes will simply not happen on the next level at the rate they do in college. That's a huge part of his game. You take that away and you'll be left with a jump shooter who is elite off PnR. Since that is huge in today's NBA, I can see him having a modicum of success. But because he's just a slightly above average athlete he will not be able to get his shots off or get separation like he does now. His lackadaisical playing style isn't going to do him any favors against NBA level defenders. If he is ever going to realize his potential and live up to the hype he'll have to bring it at all times. He'll really need to raise the intensity of his on ball defense, his handle and motor in general. His shot selection is a concern as well.

He doesn't have top 10 PG upside. He's a slightly better Jamal Murray...maybe.

He's fast, changes speed effortlessly and has fantastic footwork. He knows how to run a pnr. He has a tight handle and creativity in his moves. HOW is he POSSIBLY going to have a hard time driving in the NBA?????

watch and see

If Boston ends up with him and he's any good I'm going to make a mission of posting your past posts in the Celitcs form to make you look like an idiot.

Edit: I looked at some post history and it looks like they have already realized that you're dumb and/or a troll.