This offseason

chrbal · Post #21 » by **chrbal** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:20 pm

You should try to get bigger names, but in free agency I think the Nets are looking at another year of grabbing short contract bargains.

Post #22 » by **CalamityX12** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:36 pm

Drummond n Noel? No way.... That's doubling up on similar offers to the offense n rebounding department

MrDollarBills · Post #23 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:22 am

Papi_swav wrote:I wouldn't trade for Drummond, I'm hearing from Piston fans that he has empty stats and doesn't play defense that well, good rebounder though. Wish we could of got Noel, he looked good in Dallas the other day. The FA doesn't look too good this offseason and isn't the way to go at this point. Might as well go hard for Milsap on a 2-3 year deal

Paul Milsap is not going to play for a historically bad team.

jbeachboy · Post #24 » by **jbeachboy** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:23 am

i dont see kcp as a worthy high investment.

Jkim18 · Post #25 » by **Jkim18** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:19 am

One thing is for sure, Marks is going to offer big contracts. It's almost inevitable that we're going to overpay. Someone stated that most elite unrestricted FAs would not even consider us because we are so bad, and I'd say that is true. As a result, we will be forced into the route of pursuing RFAs, who are almost always overpaid. I'd say we should look at the offer sheets that Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe signed with us and expect that it would look something like theirs...

As for trying to get New Yorkers to like the Nets, MrDollarBills is right, most NYers do not give two hoots about the Nets. It would take us being a 50+ win team for multiple seasons with the Nix simultaneously sucking. Many casual fans think you're crazy if you watch the Nets.

MrDollarBills · Post #26 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:24 am

I expect aggressive offers to RFAs followed by quick signings to specific UFA targets. It's the only viable plan right now since trying to go out and sign high priced veterans is a waste of time when they're all trying to go to contenders.

and yes, casual fans have every right to think that we're all crazy for watching this franchise. Net fans love abuse.

Jkim18 · Post #27 » by **Jkim18** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:27 am

Lets also talk about players on our current roster and the prospects of them staying or leaving... I was gonna create another thread but since this one isn't that big yet, might as well add to this one.

Harris, Kilpatrick, and and Dinwiddie have non-guaranteed contracts for $1.5 million. I wouldn't have a problem bringing back these three guys, because for players that make close to the minimum, they're okay. However, I really hope that if Kilpatrick continues to have a big role on this team, that he vastly improves with his ball handling skills; his dribbling is borderline NBA level... no guards should be this bad with the ball in their hand and he's been a quite frustrating player to watch when he is primary ball handler. Harris doesn't have much of a ceiling but he's shown that he could be a 10th-11th man on an NBA roster... Dinwiddie has had flashes and he looks like he's improving, and he's still 23, so I'd have no problem giving him a few backup PG minutes next season. BUT-- I would not shed any tears if the management moves on from any of these three guys.

Scola and Foye are probably goners, quite possibly to retirement. Quincy Acy is under contract next season for $1.7 million, but it's also non-guaranteed... I've liked what he's had to show in limited playing time and he deff plays hard but let's see how he ends the season when he comes back from injury.

You also have Justin Hamilton, who is guaranteed to make $3 million next season. He started off quite well in the beginning of the season and he has dropped off quite a lot since then... at times he has looked overmatched, and there are the rare times where he is able to stretch the floor (albeit, he only shoots 30 percent from three). I would try to trade him for a 2nd round pick but if we cannot, I wouldn't be against cutting him. IMO, he's not the best backup for Lopez... you need a center who is a good rebounder since Lopez is not, simply put. I'd lean on moving on from him but he is under contract. The jury is still out on KJ McDaniels and it will be for a while.

Prokorov · Post #28 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:49 pm

I think we should make a run at Jeff Teague. he is still just 28, we can probably get him for less then the max. kenny coached him once and he is a great fit in kennys system. allows us to slide Lin back to a 6th man/combo gaurd role where he excelled with Charlotte and give us great depth at PG.

if i can get teague for 18-20 i think thats a good deal. otherwise maybe look at geroge hill on a cheaper deal?

Prokorov · Post #29 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:52 pm

Jkim18 wrote:Lets also talk about players on our current roster and the prospects of them staying or leaving... I was gonna create another thread but since this one isn't that big yet, might as well add to this one.

Harris, Kilpatrick, and and Dinwiddie have non-guaranteed contracts for $1.5 million. I wouldn't have a problem bringing back these three guys, because for players that make close to the minimum, they're okay. However, I really hope that if Kilpatrick continues to have a big role on this team, that he vastly improves with his ball handling skills; his dribbling is borderline NBA level... no guards should be this bad with the ball in their hand and he's been a quite frustrating player to watch when he is primary ball handler. Harris doesn't have much of a ceiling but he's shown that he could be a 10th-11th man on an NBA roster... Dinwiddie has had flashes and he looks like he's improving, and he's still 23, so I'd have no problem giving him a few backup PG minutes next season. BUT-- I would not shed any tears if the management moves on from any of these three guys.

Scola and Foye are probably goners, quite possibly to retirement. Quincy Acy is under contract next season for $1.7 million, but it's also non-guaranteed... I've liked what he's had to show in limited playing time and he deff plays hard but let's see how he ends the season when he comes back from injury.

You also have Justin Hamilton, who is guaranteed to make $3 million next season. He started off quite well in the beginning of the season and he has dropped off quite a lot since then... at times he has looked overmatched, and there are the rare times where he is able to stretch the floor (albeit, he only shoots 30 percent from three). I would try to trade him for a 2nd round pick but if we cannot, I wouldn't be against cutting him. IMO, he's not the best backup for Lopez... you need a center who is a good rebounder since Lopez is not, simply put. I'd lean on moving on from him but he is under contract. The jury is still out on KJ McDaniels and it will be for a while.

Really hard to tell with so much uncertainty....

-IF we want to offer the max to two RFA's then one or all of harris/kilpatrick/dinwidde need to go to clear the cap room. unless we can move booker or nicholson for salary relief.

-IF lopes is traded, then harris/kilpatrick/dinwiddie are all safe(r) and hamilton is a lock to stay given we could add a starting center who can defend and rebound

-IF we add a max type guy at Any of PG/G/F/C that really changes the landscape for the roster. adding a PG probably means dinwiddie or whitehead go. adding a PF and booker or acy probably get moved.

-What positions we draft likely effect who goes

a few things need to happen before we can really tell

Jkim18 · Post #30 » by **Jkim18** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:56 pm

Prokorov wrote:I think we should make a run at Jeff Teague. he is still just 28, we can probably get him for less then the max. kenny coached him once and he is a great fit in kennys system. allows us to slide Lin back to a 6th man/combo gaurd role where he excelled with Charlotte and give us great depth at PG.

if i can get teague for 18-20 i think thats a good deal. otherwise maybe look at geroge hill on a cheaper deal?

I actually like that idea, but it's unfortunately unlikely because it is most likely that better teams will want him.

But good point in saying that Kenny and Teague have been together before; that is what might entice Teague.

Also, if we are gonna make a run for him, then I would suggest that we try to re-tool this off-season and try to build a team that may have a chance to compete for a playoff berth next season. That is asking a lot because we are just starting our re-build. Basically, if we sign Teague, it should mean that we want to win quicker than expected.

Prokorov · Post #31 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:06 pm

Jkim18 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:I think we should make a run at Jeff Teague. he is still just 28, we can probably get him for less then the max. kenny coached him once and he is a great fit in kennys system. allows us to slide Lin back to a 6th man/combo gaurd role where he excelled with Charlotte and give us great depth at PG.

if i can get teague for 18-20 i think thats a good deal. otherwise maybe look at geroge hill on a cheaper deal?

I actually like that idea, but it's unfortunately unlikely because it is most likely that better teams will want him.

But good point in saying that Kenny and Teague have been together before; that is what might entice Teague.

Also, if we are gonna make a run for him, then I would suggest that we try to re-tool this off-season and try to build a team that may have a chance to compete for a playoff berth next season. That is asking a lot because we are just starting our re-build. Basically, if we sign Teague, it should mean that we want to win quicker than expected.

i dont think it would mean that. teague is 28 and would still be here in 2019-20 and still in his prime. i dont think signing teague should speed anything up. and if that is the case id rather pass on teague.

TinmanZBoy · Post #32 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:22 pm

Jeremy Lin excelled every role he was given, as long as you don't screw him... He wants to be the starting PG, he wants to control the offense...that's why he signed with the Nets, if the Nets want Lin to be the sixth man, they'd better just trade him, the Hornets need him more than the Nets

Keith Van Horn · Post #33 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:48 pm

Papi_swav wrote:I wouldn't trade for Drummond, I'm hearing from Piston fans that he has empty stats and doesn't play defense that well, good rebounder though. Wish we could of got Noel, he looked good in Dallas the other day. The FA doesn't look too good this offseason and isn't the way to go at this point. Might as well go hard for Milsap on a 2-3 year deal

change of scenery, coaches, players, and culture could have a big impact though. If Marks and Atikinson bring him here, then I trust they've done their hoemwork on any character issues and Drummond would know he needs to embrace the culture change.

Keith Van Horn · Post #34 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:51 pm

I would take both Teague or Hill to start alongside Lin. Then pray for Levert to hit the weights hard this summer to start at SF.... or that Otto Porter signs with us. Don't know if I want KCP on a huge sheet.

Jkim18 · Post #35 » by **Jkim18** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:52 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:I would take both Teague or Hill to start alongside Lin. Then pray for Levert to hit the weights hard this summer to start at SF.... or that Otto Porter signs with us. Don't know if I want KCP on a huge sheet.

Porter does seem like a slight notch above KCP.

SV1113 · Post #36 » by **SV1113** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:19 pm

One name I haven't seen mentioned as a possible FA is : Tyreke Evans. I think he could slide into that starting sf spot and would fit some of our needs on offense.

Lopez
Rhj
Evans
Levert
Lin

MrDollarBills · Post #37 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:31 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:I would take both Teague or Hill to start alongside Lin. Then pray for Levert to hit the weights hard this summer to start at SF.... or that Otto Porter signs with us. Don't know if I want KCP on a huge sheet.

I think it may take about another summer or two for leVert's grown man weight to start kicking in.

I don't think that the Nets are going to screw Lin by spending big money on PG. Getting a viable veteran back up is definitely in the plans though.

Jkim18 · Post #38 » by **Jkim18** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:39 pm

SV1113 wrote:One name I haven't seen mentioned as a possible FA is : Tyreke Evans. I think he could slide into that starting sf spot and would fit some of our needs on offense.

Lopez
Rhj
Evans
Levert
Lin

The issue with that lineup would be poor spacing. Who would be the best shooter of that group? Arguably Brook..

MrDollarBills · Post #39 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:30 pm

no to Tyreke Evans

hood30 · Post #40 » by **hood30** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:57 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:Jeremy Lin excelled every role he was given, as long as you don't screw him... He wants to be the starting PG, he wants to control the offense...that's why he signed with the Nets, if the Nets want Lin to be the sixth man, they'd better just trade him, the Hornets need him more than the Nets

Lin is a good soldier so he wouldn't complain about it much, but as you stated, the only reason he signed with Brooklyn was because he was going to have a chance to start to prove himself, so if the Nets take that back from him after year 1, I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate that much...

On the other end, Lin does have an opt-out after next season, so if there's a sense he may not be 100% on board with being a 6th-man, Brooklyn might as well trade him during the off-season instead of having so much money tied at the PG position...Nets are better off spending the money elsewhere since I believe Lin could put up Teague's stats if he had stayed healthy..His Per36 shows even better stats than Teague.