NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

[KF10]

If Pelicans keep losing they can go in tank mode as well and you never know with the lottery. The top 3 protection scares me.

I played the lottery simulator ten times and NO jumped into the top 3 six out of 10 times. Ugh

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If Pelicans keep losing they can go in tank mode as well and you never know with the lottery. The top 3 protection scares me.

I played the lottery simulator ten times and NO jumped into the top 3 six out of 10 times. Ugh

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Yikes I played it 10 times, they jumped in top 3 four out of 10 times. haha

2 out of 10 times for me -- which matches up with the 21.5% probability chance at top-3.

[JohnWillow]

If Hornets does not win tonight, then our Kings pick is tied with them 11th and 12th, because we will have the same record.

[c3j3h]

I think that the Kings need to take a serious look at Malik Monk. I know it might sound crazy to some of you, given that Monk plays SG at Kentucky and we are overloaded with SGs, but I think Monk can be made into a PG someday in the same mold as Steph Curry. That would make him incredibly deadly and could turn him into a legit superstar.

I'm thinking that with 2 picks in the mid lottery this year, the ideal outcome for the Kings would involve getting Malik Monk plus one of Lauri Markkanen, Jayson Tatum, or Jonathan Isaac.

I'm hoping for De'aaron Fox and one of those three but would be happy with Monk too. Dude can definitely score the ball. I think Fox is going to be really good though.


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I'm curious what you see in Fox that makes you think he's a great prospect. I keep reading about Kings fans loving Fox, and I'm not seeing it in him at all.

All I see is a supreme athlete that's big for the position and can pass, but can't shoot to save his life and can't score outside the paint. The NBA is chock full of PG prospects that were touted for their athleticism but couldn't shoot that end up stuck on the end of the bench.

[SacKingZZZ]

If Pelicans keep losing they can go in tank mode as well and you never know with the lottery. The top 3 protection scares me.

I want them to be nowhere in the top 10. Watch them win the lotto.

[KF10]

My rule of thumb for (guard) prospects is that if they can't shoot, display low IQ, low motor and/or is selfish, you avoid them. I think Fox checks in for one box of my rules, at least -- that is not good.

[c3j3h]

My rule of thumb for (guard) prospects is that if they can't shoot, display low IQ, low motor and/or is selfish, you avoid them. I think Fox checks in for one box of my rules, at least -- that is not good.

And he can't stay healthy either.

I think the Kings would have a better chance of teaching Malik Monk to play PG than they'd have of teaching De'Aaron Fox how to shoot.

[codydaze]

I think that the Kings need to take a serious look at Malik Monk. I know it might sound crazy to some of you, given that Monk plays SG at Kentucky and we are overloaded with SGs, but I think Monk can be made into a PG someday in the same mold as Steph Curry. That would make him incredibly deadly and could turn him into a legit superstar.

I'm thinking that with 2 picks in the mid lottery this year, the ideal outcome for the Kings would involve getting Malik Monk plus one of Lauri Markkanen, Jayson Tatum, or Jonathan Isaac.

I'm hoping for De'aaron Fox and one of those three but would be happy with Monk too. Dude can definitely score the ball. I think Fox is going to be really good though.


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I'm curious what you see in Fox that makes you think he's a great prospect. I keep reading about Kings fans loving Fox, and I'm not seeing it in him at all.

All I see is a supreme athlete that's big for the position and can pass, but can't shoot to save his life and can't score outside the paint. The NBA is chock full of PG prospects that were touted for their athleticism but couldn't shoot that end up stuck on the end of the bench.

Great length for the PG spot, solid in transition, excellent court vision and a solid defender, good hands. He's a true PG in my opinion that has great defensive potential especially. I like Monk but I don't think he will be able to play the point in the NBA, he just doesn't have the handle or passing ability to run an offense.


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[KF10]

My rule of thumb for (guard) prospects is that if they can't shoot, display low IQ, low motor and/or is selfish, you avoid them. I think Fox checks in for one box of my rules, at least -- that is not good.

And he can't stay healthy either.

I think the Kings would have a better chance of teaching Malik Monk to play PG than they'd have of teaching De'Aaron Fox how to shoot.

Monk's shot-making ability is very, very good but I'm not convinced about his ability to play PG. He's more of a Bradley Beal/Lou Williams-ish type of player. Not a bad blend/hybrid player but he's a 2 guard, through and through, imo.

[c3j3h]

I'm hoping for De'aaron Fox and one of those three but would be happy with Monk too. Dude can definitely score the ball. I think Fox is going to be really good though.


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I'm curious what you see in Fox that makes you think he's a great prospect. I keep reading about Kings fans loving Fox, and I'm not seeing it in him at all.

All I see is a supreme athlete that's big for the position and can pass, but can't shoot to save his life and can't score outside the paint. The NBA is chock full of PG prospects that were touted for their athleticism but couldn't shoot that end up stuck on the end of the bench.

Great length for the PG spot, solid in transition, excellent court vision and a solid defender, good hands. He's a true PG in my opinion that has great defensive potential especially. I like Monk but I don't think he will be able to play the point in the NBA, he just doesn't have the handle or passing ability to run an offense.


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The problem is how is he going to score?

We've already seen firsthand what an offense looks like that's centered around a PG that can't shoot or create his own offense. We saw it first with Tyreke, and saw it again last year with Rondo. A PG that can't score outside of the paint is an offensive liability.

I think it's a bad idea to hand off the reins of a rebuilding franchise to a PG that's going to create more problems than he solves.

[Sacramento_King]

[c3j3h]

My rule of thumb for (guard) prospects is that if they can't shoot, display low IQ, low motor and/or is selfish, you avoid them. I think Fox checks in for one box of my rules, at least -- that is not good.

And he can't stay healthy either.

I think the Kings would have a better chance of teaching Malik Monk to play PG than they'd have of teaching De'Aaron Fox how to shoot.

Monk's shot-making ability is very, very good but I'm not convinced about his ability to play PG. He's more of a Bradley Beal/Lou Williams-ish type of player. Not a bad blend/hybrid player but he's a 2 guard, through and through, imo.

I'm not talking about him playing PG right off the bat. I'm talking 2-4 years down the line, after lots of training. I would love to see the Kings draft Monk and let him run the 2nd unit in his rookie year.

I also think it could be beneficial to give him a sort of "lead guard" role in a rotation that is heavy with other guys that can handle the ball. Like if we can convince Tyreke to re-sign, we could play a Monk/Tyreke/Bogdanovic lineup that features 3 guys that can handle the ball with 2 elite shooters.

Lots of possibilities available. I think Monk would be a lot of fun as an undersized SG, but he could be a franchise player if he can be molded into a Steph Curry type of lead guard someday.

[City of Trees]

Fultz and Ball should be out of our range so Dennis Smith is my choice for PG.https://youtu.be/ikWYX-fILDw

I'd stay away from both Fox and Monk. Fox can't shoot and Monk is an undersized SG. I think Monk has potential to change positions but that may be an unnecessary risk depending on who else is available. If I give Ntilikina the same grade as Monk I'm taking Ntilikina.

Frank Ntilikina is a wild card. His size, handle, and (shooting and defensive) potential make him an interesting prospect. At this point in time I haven't seen enough of him to say he's worse than Fox or Monk.

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[blind prophet]

Still early, Still haven't watched much from college. But if Fultz and Ball are gone, maybe we can grab our SF

Isaac seems intriguing at his height.

An Isaac, Skal, WCS 3-5 has a lot of length and athleticism.

[City of Trees]

Kinga could have a problem, At what point does New Orleans tank?

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[blind prophet]

Kinga could have a problem, At what point does New Orleans tank?

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Worst they can end up realistically is probably 4th worse, still under 40% they'd get in the top 3

I think you want them to lose as much as possible and just take our chances.

[c3j3h]

Kinga could have a problem, At what point does New Orleans tank?

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Worst they can end up realistically is probably 4th worse, still under 40% they'd get in the top 3

I think you want them to lose as much as possible and just take our chances.

Not to mention that they only have Cousins locked up for 1 more year before he hits Free Agency. If they have any intentions of re-signing him, which I imagine that they do since they traded for him, it's probably not going to help if they blatantly tank out the rest of this season for a pick that they likely won't be able to keep anyway.

[City of Trees]

Kinga could have a problem, At what point does New Orleans tank?

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Worst they can end up realistically is probably 4th worse, still under 40% they'd get in the top 3

I think you want them to lose as much as possible and just take our chances.

Only 4 games currently separates #6-#3. Tanking isn't out of the question at some point.

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[City of Trees]

Isaac seems intriguing at his height.

An Isaac, Skal, WCS 3-5 has a lot of length and athleticism.

If you take Isaac might as well double down with Ntilikina. Become the Bucks of the West.

Young core:

Ntilikina
Hield/Bogdonavic
Isaac/ Richardson
Skal
Cauley-Stein/Papagiannis

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[City of Trees]

And he can't stay healthy either.

I think the Kings would have a better chance of teaching Malik Monk to play PG than they'd have of teaching De'Aaron Fox how to shoot.

Monk's shot-making ability is very, very good but I'm not convinced about his ability to play PG. He's more of a Bradley Beal/Lou Williams-ish type of player. Not a bad blend/hybrid player but he's a 2 guard, through and through, imo.

I'm not talking about him playing PG right off the bat. I'm talking 2-4 years down the line, after lots of training. I would love to see the Kings draft Monk and let him run the 2nd unit in his rookie year.

I also think it could be beneficial to give him a sort of "lead guard" role in a rotation that is heavy with other guys that can handle the ball. Like if we can convince Tyreke to re-sign, we could play a Monk/Tyreke/Bogdanovic lineup that features 3 guys that can handle the ball with 2 elite shooters.

Lots of possibilities available. I think Monk would be a lot of fun as an undersized SG, but he could be a franchise player if he can be molded into a Steph Curry type of lead guard someday.

If the Kings were light at SG id say do it.

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[blind prophet]

Isaac seems intriguing at his height.

An Isaac, Skal, WCS 3-5 has a lot of length and athleticism.

If you take Isaac might as well double down with Ntilikina. Become the Bucks of the West.

Young core:

Ntilikina
Hield/Bogdonavic
Isaac/ Richardson
Skal
Cauley-Stein/Papagiannis

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That's some serious size if we did that. Great defensive potential with that group too. I'd be happy with that on draft day myself.

If that's the way we look after the draft, maybe keep TY if the deal is fair and hold onto Tolliver. Wouldn't need to do much else if we were developing. KK would be in limbo, but we'd find a taker if need be.