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Mozgov / Deng Stretch Options 

Post#1 » by MrWaffles » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:13 am

Slava, I know you hate me talking about Mozgov and Deng but this is a serious question / discussion

Yes yes we have all discussed the Mozgov and Deng' contracts plenty of times. It looks like Mozgov will be collecting DNPCD's for the next 23 games. Understandable. Deng continues to show little value.

My question for those CBA experts, can we stretch out Mozgov and Deng together? Also, what would those numbers look like for the stretch period?

This is a serious topic as we have new management now that will do something about these contracts. Also, PG is Laker bound according to Woj( we'll see LOL) . We're going to need some serious cap space to get him and other talent such as Cousins in 2018.

So.. is it possible and what would the numbers look like?
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Re: Mozgov / Deng Stretch Options 

Post#2 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:32 am

MrWaffles wrote:Slava, I know you hate me talking about Mozgov and Deng but this is a serious question / discussion

Yes yes we have all discussed the Mozgov and Deng' contracts plenty of times. It looks like Mozgov will be collecting DNPCD's for the next 23 games. Understandable. Deng continues to show little value.

My question for those CBA experts, can we stretch out Mozgov and Deng together? Also, what would those numbers look like for the stretch period?

This is a serious topic as we have new management now that will do something about these contracts. Also, PG is Laker bound according to Woj( we'll see LOL) . We're going to need some serious cap space to get him and other talent such as Cousins in 2018.

So.. is it possible and what would the numbers look like?


I've heard of stretching the last year...you pay it over 3 years. I don't think you can stretch 3-years of a contract. Honestly.....why would you? Your gonna tie up like $10 mil for almost a decade. And you waive them. At least they are meat you can throw out for fouls, or at practice.

We gotta just suck it up for 3 years. That, and hope Magic and Co. don't make any major foolish mistakes themselves.
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Re: Mozgov / Deng Stretch Options 

Post#3 » by dockingsched » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:37 am

You stretch a contract by twice as many years left on the deal +1, so stretching 3 remaining years on a contract would mean spreading the money out across 7 years. Deadline to use the stretch is 8/31 prior to the upcoming season.
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Re: Mozgov / Deng Stretch Options 

Post#4 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:43 am

dockingsched wrote:You stretch a contract by twice as many years left on the deal +1, so stretching 3 remaining years on a contract would mean spreading the money out across 7 years. Deadline to use the stretch is 8/31 prior to the upcoming season.


Huh...I didn't know it worked that way. Look at that. Good info.

So yeah....we owe them both a combined $102 million over the next 3 years. So broken over 7 years, we'd be shelling out about $14.6

$14.6 a season for nothing....for 7 years. That's alot to throw away. And the 2024-25 season is awful far in the future.
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Post#5 » by dockingsched » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:45 am

Yeah, which means that if you aren't going to need the cap that removing their deals would create this summer to sign a star player, there's no reason to use the stretch provision or pay assets to get rid of them. The longer you don't need the cap and just suck it up, the better in the long run.
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Post#6 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:46 am

It's depressing either way you look at it. I'll certainly concede that.
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Post#7 » by anarchy24 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:47 am

Hopefully the Lakers keep their pick so they can try to trade the Houston's pick with Deng or Moz to a team trying to reach the cap floor or something. Like Brooklyn? Im sure they'll try to unload Lopez to get asset.
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Post#8 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:03 am

anarchy24 wrote:Hopefully the Lakers keep their pick so they can try to trade the Houston's pick with Deng or Moz to a team trying to reach the cap floor or something. Like Brooklyn? Im sure they'll try to unload Lopez to get asset.


Agree. I think that's the way to look at it.

Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2? or Clarkson along with a 2nd-rounder, and the one of them?

I mean...good lord how nice would it be if we somehow got out from under those two contracts, and it only cost us, Clarkson, our first rounder we traded for, and the 2ndrounder we took from Chicago? Is that parade worthy? Seems like it should be.

Prob too good to be true. Perhaps we'd have to take back something crappy for a year. I'd still be pretty stoked.
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Post#9 » by Princeinrevolt » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:29 am

danfantastk32 wrote:
anarchy24 wrote:Hopefully the Lakers keep their pick so they can try to trade the Houston's pick with Deng or Moz to a team trying to reach the cap floor or something. Like Brooklyn? Im sure they'll try to unload Lopez to get asset.


Agree. I think that's the way to look at it.

Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2? or Clarkson along with a 2nd-rounder, and the one of them?

I mean...good lord how nice would it be if we somehow got out from under those two contracts, and it only cost us, Clarkson, our first rounder we traded for, and the 2ndrounder we took from Chicago? Is that parade worthy? Seems like it should be.

Prob too good to be true. Perhaps we'd have to take back something crappy for a year. I'd still be pretty stoked.

"Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2?"
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Post#10 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:37 am

Princeinrevolt wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
anarchy24 wrote:Hopefully the Lakers keep their pick so they can try to trade the Houston's pick with Deng or Moz to a team trying to reach the cap floor or something. Like Brooklyn? Im sure they'll try to unload Lopez to get asset.


Agree. I think that's the way to look at it.

Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2? or Clarkson along with a 2nd-rounder, and the one of them?

I mean...good lord how nice would it be if we somehow got out from under those two contracts, and it only cost us, Clarkson, our first rounder we traded for, and the 2ndrounder we took from Chicago? Is that parade worthy? Seems like it should be.

Prob too good to be true. Perhaps we'd have to take back something crappy for a year. I'd still be pretty stoked.

"Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2?"
bruh....


Sorry man. I assume you must be a "Russell guy"? 14.5ppg, 4.7assists, 3.8boards makes you a replaceable player in my book. If we get the lotto pick, and someone comes a'knockin for Russell and Deng......I'll pack the bags myself.
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Post#11 » by Princeinrevolt » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:41 am

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Princeinrevolt wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Agree. I think that's the way to look at it.

Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2? or Clarkson along with a 2nd-rounder, and the one of them?

I mean...good lord how nice would it be if we somehow got out from under those two contracts, and it only cost us, Clarkson, our first rounder we traded for, and the 2ndrounder we took from Chicago? Is that parade worthy? Seems like it should be.

Prob too good to be true. Perhaps we'd have to take back something crappy for a year. I'd still be pretty stoked.

"Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2?"
bruh....


Sorry man. I assume you must be a "Russell guy"? 14.5ppg, 4.7assists, 3.8boards makes you a replaceable player in my book. If we get the lotto pick, and someone comes a'knockin for Russell and Deng......I'll pack the bags myself.

hahahaha thank god you're not the gm... Don't quit your day job buddy... lmfao
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Post#12 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:47 am

Princeinrevolt wrote:hahahaha thank god you're not the gm... Don't quit your day job buddy... lmfao


Yeah...if someone as bad as me took over, we'd prob be like 3rd worst in the league or something lmfao...how crazy would that be, right???
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Post#13 » by Princeinrevolt » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:13 am

danfantastk32 wrote:
Princeinrevolt wrote:hahahaha thank god you're not the gm... Don't quit your day job buddy... lmfao


Yeah...if someone as bad as me took over, we'd prob be like 3rd worst in the league or something lmfao...how crazy would that be, right???

No we'd definitely be the worst team, with no draft picks... or a 11th best team in the west with no young players...
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Post#14 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:29 am

Princeinrevolt wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Princeinrevolt wrote:hahahaha thank god you're not the gm... Don't quit your day job buddy... lmfao


Yeah...if someone as bad as me took over, we'd prob be like 3rd worst in the league or something lmfao...how crazy would that be, right???

No we'd definitely be the worst team, with no draft picks... or a 11th best team in the west with no young players...


Awww....so little faith!
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Post#15 » by Slava » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:40 am

danfantastk32 wrote:
Princeinrevolt wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
Agree. I think that's the way to look at it.

Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2? or Clarkson along with a 2nd-rounder, and the one of them?

I mean...good lord how nice would it be if we somehow got out from under those two contracts, and it only cost us, Clarkson, our first rounder we traded for, and the 2ndrounder we took from Chicago? Is that parade worthy? Seems like it should be.

Prob too good to be true. Perhaps we'd have to take back something crappy for a year. I'd still be pretty stoked.

"Perhaps we then ship Russel and one of the 2?"
bruh....


Sorry man. I assume you must be a "Russell guy"? 14.5ppg, 4.7assists, 3.8boards makes you a replaceable player in my book. If we get the lotto pick, and someone comes a'knockin for Russell and Deng......I'll pack the bags myself.


If raw stats are the measure we should package everyone on the roster to send away Mozgov and Deng and then offer one year deals to the likes of Wesley Johnson and kendall marshall when inevitably no one comes in free agency.

Rewind, repeat, absurdities multiply.
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Post#16 » by LakersSoul » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:54 am

dockingsched wrote:Yeah, which means that if you aren't going to need the cap that removing their deals would create this summer to sign a star player, there's no reason to use the stretch provision or pay assets to get rid of them. The longer you don't need the cap and just suck it up, the better in the long run.


Thanks for the info doc!

If we need to stretch the contracts to add 2 max contracts then the FO can work the numbers and fit that in, which is a relief. Next summer we will or should not sign anyone to anything extensive. We should add supporting and minimum vet pieces and get more playing time for the youngsters. The summer of 2018 should be the one that we should target PG and others.

As for the roster, we are right around the salary cap of 94 million this year. Next year, Young will opt out (5.6million savings), Calderon is no longer on the books (7.7 million), MWP (1.5 million). We have to evaluate Ennis and Robinson and add Brewer's salary (7.5 million). All in all, we have a lot of room next year at around $88million on our books and decisions for Ennis/Robinson plus adding the new draft picks which would be decent salary. In other words, we should still be under the salary cap even with Deng/Moz contracts.

In the summer of 2018, we can then decide to stretch Deng/Mozgov or not with 2 year remaining on the contract. We also have the only expiring contract, Randle's contract. Do we offer him the QO or sign him to an new contract. That year's trading deadline could also mean the potential to move Deng and Moz contracts with little over 1 year remaining on the contract and with the gradual rise of the CBA salary cap, the contracts should no longer be an albatross (thanks again Jim and Mitch).

2019/2020 year will be the one when we trade away the last year of Deng/Moz as an expiring contract and will need to decide on whether to sign Dlo/Nance/Zubac to new contracts or not. All good.

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Re: Mozgov / Deng Stretch Options 

Post#17 » by MrWaffles » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:51 pm

Alright, so it seems like most of you rather just keep them on board for the next four years. Makes sense, I figured they would retire Lakers anyways.

Couple of thoughts :

Deng was close to signing with Washington this past summer until Mitch and Jim decided to throw in another year (4). Perhaps they will have interest in taking on Deng's contract this summer along with our Rockets pick and or Randle? I wouldn't mind that trade.

Clarkson was getting a lot of interest during the trade deadline according to a new report. We could possible move Clarkson and Mozgov together this summer. Brooklyn may be interested, a young guard, throw in our Rockets pick possibly.

Anyways, I think Magic + Rob will find some way to make this situation a little bit easier going forward.
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Post#18 » by danfantastk32 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:28 pm

Slava wrote:If raw stats are the measure we should package everyone on the roster to send away Mozgov and Deng and then offer one year deals to the likes of Wesley Johnson and kendall marshall when inevitably no one comes in free agency.

Rewind, repeat, absurdities multiply.


Raw stats....low shooting %'s all around.....bad to terrible defense. And lastly...19-41 record. Sum it all up: nobody here is untradeable.

I certainly don't have anything against D'angelo. But so far, he's shown nothing special.
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Post#19 » by Dr Aki » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:34 pm

the lakers probably only have enough to dump one of deng or mozgov (clarkson, randle, 2017 HOU 1st, 2018 DEN 2nd, 2018 CHI 2nd), which is alright as we'd still be able to stretch the other and open up another 10 to 12-ish million in cap in 2018 (by spreading final 2 contract years over 5 years)

i'd also loath to give up randle so readily, but so be it (think the heat and dumping beasley) if we can open up all that capspace of maybe 81 to 87 million dollars (with dlo, ingram, top #3 pick, nance and zubac on the books and 5 vet min capholds), we might be an actual temptation for a triplet of free agent LA homecomers westbrook, george and brook lopez

as long as we don't blow our load on contracts that extend beyond 2018, and dlo, ingram, nance, zubac, clarkson (to trade), randle (to trade) continue to grow into better bball players we might have a punching chance to pull it off. heck if we manage to hold onto a few 2nd rounders, we might let ryan west work his magic and find us another zubac or clarkson on the cheap

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Post#20 » by Slava » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:47 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
Slava wrote:If raw stats are the measure we should package everyone on the roster to send away Mozgov and Deng and then offer one year deals to the likes of Wesley Johnson and kendall marshall when inevitably no one comes in free agency.

Rewind, repeat, absurdities multiply.


Raw stats....low shooting %'s all around.....bad to terrible defense. And lastly...19-41 record. Sum it all up: nobody here is untradeable.

I certainly don't have anything against D'angelo. But so far, he's shown nothing special.


Could you type like an educated person using commas to separate words and not insert random periods all over the place?

It looks like you also missed the gist of my post. There's this thing called trade value, so you can trade almost anyone for something equal in return and not just to dump salary with no other free agent lined up.
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