I have zero confidence in van gundy turning this situation around

[pistontr]

he is overrated as a gm.
"Magic agree to deal Serge Ibaka to Raptors for Terrence Ross, first-round pick". ibaka is exactly what we need.

You're obsessed with Ibaka, have you seen his d**k or something?

no. is it good?

[Blkbrd671]

We are in year 3 of a 5 year plan and still in the playoff hunt. We have one of the youngest rosters in the league who tend to be inconsistent. While we don't have a sure thing superstar we have a player like Andre who has shown he can be dominant when he wants, we have a PG that when healthy has shown he can take over the 4th, we have a ton of other talent that is still young and developing.

I really don't get how you can have 0 confidence in him, looking at our team, we most certainly were in a much sh* shape before SVG and he easily turned it around. There is really not one contract on our books that we couldn't move if we really wanted to.

i think this is much more a overreaction to a disappointing season than a accurate reflection of reality.

I also think SVG considers moving RJ, simply because:

1.) we probably going to pay KCP and financially it provide more flexibiilty in FA
2.) this years draft if full of potential franchise PG's
3.) SVG has enough of a sample to show that even the most medicore PG's in this league can be successful in his system

[mattao313]

I'm not ready to jump on SVG even if the team is playing like crap, I still feel all the player are movable and valuable contracts of various amounts depending on the player.

-Drummond has the potential tag and can be good in a more limited role.
-Reggie is hurt but overall still think he is a starting caliber PG.
-KCP great role player/glue guy.
-Morris starting caliber plater or great bench piece.
-Harris great low usage scorer.
-Leuer great low ussage utility player.
-Ish solid back up PG.

SVG&co ain't scared to make trades and are smart enough not to mortgage the future unless it necessary.

[Pharaoh]

1 - do you expect SVG to be a straight shooter at all times, especially in post game interviews?

AND

2 - do you honestly believe that a man who has essentially coached basketball on every level his entire life - who grew up as the son of a coach & who's brother has also coached successfully in the NBA - doesn't KNOW what the problem is?

This perception that SVG is a straight shooter needs to come to an end. He's a pro coach! He's not there to tell the truth - he uses the media to manipulate things like everyone else

"KCP is untouchable" he said...then said "everyone can be traded" FFS

BTW, before SVG fronts the reporters for a post game interview do you ever stop and think how he's got certain numbers ready to spit when needed? You think he's guessing on those?

Isn't it possible that prior to fronting the media he takes a look and certain stats, discusses certain situations with his assistants and THEN twists the reporter's questions to fit the story he wants to tell?

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[flow]

As much as I hated the RJ signing, and disliked the Drummond max contract, I'll give him a pass on the front office stuff because he's done some good things.

His coaching, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired.

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[SamFlow]

just imagine if Isaiah Thomas had not turned down more money from us to sign elsewhere. im still with coach. And just imagine if we would have been able to sign Horford.

Dre
Horford
sf....
Pope
Thomas

[Izzite]

just imagine if Isaiah Thomas had not turned down more money from us to sign elsewhere. im still with coach. And just imagine if we would have been able to sign Horford.

Dre
Horford
sf....
Pope
Thomas

We'd all be bitching about defense still lol

[davidvolumes]

At least they didn't give away the store just for the sake of change. The problems remain the same. Dre and Reg are pieces of the puzzle, not foundation pieces. Lessen both of their roles and I expect the team would be more fluid,cohesive. Play Ellenson as Leurs backup in spot minutes. The team desperately need his size and shooting. Make Pope the primary ballhandler.We need his speed as a ballhamdler, he would excel in the midrange pnr. Develop Stanley as a shooting guard. Sg is his best position going forward. Dre shouldn't be used to pick for Reggie at 3 pt line. Let him pick for your shooters cutting across the lanes. Let Harris, Morris and leur set picks for our point guards. Then they can receive the ball where they are most effective. This team is not world beaters Buttttt the real problem is SVG is underachieving as a coach.

[Bricks50]

Stan is not a great coach


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[davidvolumes]

There is plenty of fault to spread around beginning with svg the coach. It's insane to expect different results from the same cast of characters. Boston may not be any more talented as a team BUT they are better coached.

[russkopp]

There is plenty of fault to spread around beginning with svg the coach. It's insane to expect different results from the same cast of characters. Boston may not be any more talented as a team BUT they are better coached.

He doesn't expect the same results, he knows Reggie decreases our chances of winning but little winning will occur in the playoffs regardless.
SVG's job is to make sure Reggie has as much value as possible going into the offseason so we can try and trade him again.

[El Chivo]

There is plenty of fault to spread around beginning with svg the coach. It's insane to expect different results from the same cast of characters. Boston may not be any more talented as a team BUT they are better coached.

He doesn't expect the same results, he knows Reggie decreases our chances of winning but little winning will occur in the playoffs regardless.
SVG's job is to make sure Reggie has as much value as possible going into the offseason so we can try and trade him again.

I'm afraid you're making SVG way better than he actually is.

[davidvolumes]

I first posted this thread on Feb.14th. It was obvious then svg was as much a problem as dre or reggie to me. Today my opinion is svg IS THE PROBLEM. He bet the house on the wrong horses. To quote John wall (he gave 80 million to Reggie Jackson).

[TPA]

I first posted this thread on Feb.14th. It was obvious then svg was as much a problem as dre or reggie to me. Today my opinion is svg IS THE PROBLEM. He bet the house on the wrong horses. To quote John wall (he gave 80 million to Reggie Jackson).

Easy to say now. We were singing Reggie's praises at the end of last season. I thought Reggie would have been a top 5 PG in the East this year. It didn't turn out that way, and I don't know how much the injury played into that, but all signs point to that being a legit factor. Drummond is showing why he fell to the 8th pick for Detroit. 20/20 guy some nights, 7/12 other nights. The motor isn't always running on premium.
I think the talent is here. Getting back to your point, I don't know if SVG is the coach to get the most out of the pieces. Either way, I think solid leadership trumps individual talent. At the same time, extraordinary leadership, whether it be a player or coach, is as rare as a top 5 player in the league. Jordan was both, and that's why the Bulls were an unbeatable force during their reign. They had both. The Pistons are lacking both; thus the reason they will not realize their potential, until they get that leadership in some form.

[Pharaoh]

I first posted this thread on Feb.14th. It was obvious then svg was as much a problem as dre or reggie to me. Today my opinion is svg IS THE PROBLEM. He bet the house on the wrong horses. To quote John wall (he gave 80 million to Reggie Jackson).

Easy to say now. We were singing Reggie's praises at the end of last season. I thought Reggie would have been a top 5 PG in the East this year. It didn't turn out that way, and I don't know how much the injury played into that, but all signs point to that being a legit factor. Drummond is showing why he fell to the 8th pick for Detroit. 20/20 guy some nights, 7/12 other nights. The motor isn't always running on premium.
I think the talent is here. Getting back to your point, I don't know if SVG is the coach to get the most out of the pieces. Either way, I think solid leadership trumps individual talent. At the same time, extraordinary leadership, whether it be a player or coach, is as rare as a top 5 player in the league. Jordan was both, and that's why the Bulls were an unbeatable force during their reign. They had both. The Pistons are lacking both; thus the reason they will not realize their potential, until they get that leadership in some form.

Agree but I actually believe the leaders we need are already here!

KCP, SJ & Tobias are those leaders - the problem is this team and the locker room is centred around Drummond & RJ.

I think if you remove Jackson and put a guy like Dragic or Rubio at that position this whole team takes a 180, especially if you make SJ the secondary ball handler

SJs drive and passion are what we need more of

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[davidvolumes]

I agree that kcp might, could be a leader. I think kcp could be a derozan type player but he needs the ball in his hands much more. I believe he could excel in the p n r. Svg seems to suffer from tunnel vision.

[Pharaoh]

I agree that kcp might, could be a leader. I think kcp could be a derozan type player but he needs the ball in his hands much more. I believe he could excel in the p n r. Svg seems to suffer from tunnel vision.

Or:

SVG knows that the only way for RJ to maintain any semblance of trade value is to have the ball in his hands and play PnR all day long.

And:

SVG is playing the long game with Drummond. We force feed him post ups because there's really no way to substitute in game practice.

Some of you believe that a guy who has been around the game of basketball his entire LIFE somehow lacks the knowledge of a keyboard warrior on Real GM!

That's insane!

Yes he makes some stupid choices, yes he misses things - no one is perfect, regardless of what armchair GMs and Captain Hindsight says!

It's a lot easier to critique what happens when you're not actually involved in it in any real way.

I've said it before but: a lot of dudes on this forum not only dont watch the Pistons play every single game (that's me included) they've never played, coached or been involved in any real way in a league above "rec level"

Yet somehow we're all supposed to take their opinions as gospel?

Why?

On what grounds?

Stats show this, advanced stats show that, KCP doesn't get assists, Mook doesn't rebound "enough", Tobias plays "poor" D...

A lot of posters on this or any other basketball website have little to no authority to speak on what transpires each and every day on a professional basketball team regardless of how many games you've WATCHED!

If I watch Usain Bolt run the 100m every single time he runs does that make me a sprinting expert? Of course not!

Yet somehow watching 100 basketball games a year makes people experts on everything from advanced stats to offensive game theory to defensive schemes?

WTF?

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[davidvolumes]

Lets revisit the topic of confidence in svg. We are still paying j smith when his original contract would have been off the books. Allowed moose to walk away for nothing. We never got the chance to see Monroe and dre play together because svg stubbornly refused to play them at the same time. Maxed dre even though his only elite skill was rebounding. Dre imo is a liability defensively and free throw shooting. Anointed Reggie as our pgof. Maxed out our team salary with no real proven star. And finally possibly letting kcp walk.
Svg has taken the team in 3 years from the NBA cellar dwellers to a fringe playoff team with no clear direction or salary to improve.
What's to have confidence in?

[Neptune]

We'll make the Pistons great again when SVG/Bower leave!

[mercury]

Not recalling many posters opposed to spending the cap on Dre or RJ... It was mostly we need to get this done. Now all of the hate for these turrible deals. Uh huh.