Randy Foye and Luis Scola, why are they still on this roster?

[Prokorov]

Aren't they both expiring contracts this year. Foye is need to play each day, Scola goes multiple games without seeing the floor and then will randomly play 25 minutes in one game before going back to his normal role. They are not really taking away from anyone and there are no real good replacements out on the market.

Jared Sullinger is about the only guy that makes any sense to add to the Nets and its by no means perfect.

Yeah, I guess the main rationalization would be that there's no one else to give these minutes to. But at the same time, I'd rather sign two d-league guys to 10-day contracts and give them a look. We are in year 1 of a long term rebuild (before another poster tries to nitpick and flip out, let me clarify that I say 'year 1' because this is Marks first year) and it's better that we don't have too many vets on the downside of their career.

we have a ton of dleague and second round types. we have plenty to try out next year. what scola povides is 100 times more important.

[Prokorov]

MDB:

No, I simply think you may have some spite against me from the past and this is your opportunity to come out on top considering that I put myself at a huge disadvantage on here by saying '23-59'. You didn't have to jump in and nitpick like several other posters. Even if you don't really like what someone has to say, it's just better to not respond instead of getting worked up on the internet and exhibiting spite.

You took my comment regarding career trajectory totally out of context, and it was because of your spite and bias against me. Anyway, Lopez, Lin, and Booker are all under 30 (Booker turns 30 early next season) and they all start for this team; they are in the part of their career where they can still impact a team, do you dispute that?

I thought I had covered pretty much every possible rebuttal in the first post but I'll go more in-depth. Randy Foye is playing absolutely horribly right now: he still averages 19 MPG in spite of the fact that his PER is 6.66, his FG percentage is 37 %, and that his 3 point percentage is lower than his career average (33% to close to 37%). Usually, a player who has fallen off that far from his prime (I mean, Foye's best season was actually EARLIER in his career, his third season which was with Minnesota) that is still in the NBA has had some type of valuable experience to be a good veteran presence on a young team. As for his character in the locker room, I cannot attest to that other than I hear he's a nice guy... he's actually someone I favor because he's from Newark. But I'm also frustrated that he's getting playing time and as a result I express that I want him cut.

As for Scola, I clarified that he doesn't play much. But even with the several DNPs, when he gets onto the court, he's a huge negative that is a black hole on defense. Do you dispute that as well? My main argument was that I prefer using the two roster spots on unproven D-Leaguers... if you disagree with that, then cool, but I'd like you to provide a reason so we can have a cordial discussion.

Finally, regarding Karasev's cigarette smoking... I don't brag about things like that because I do know a solid amount of NJ/NYC area celebrities (some being NBA players) and it's a bad look talking about these things (I've already said too much), I brought up a few examples up just to show that I'm not just some newbie spitting out BS for the sake of spitting out BS. But to answer you about Scola and Foye... I don't know.. they aren't cancers, but I see them in a lesser regard than someone like Jerry Stackhouse was for us in 2012-2013, who had a better career and has more of a coach's mentality. Tyronn Lue... he was on championship teams with future HOFs... Foye wasn't really anyone special, and Scola's best years were in Houston (in his rookie season, he played with Tracy McGrady, where it was the last season he [T-Mac] ever averaged more than 20 PPG).

I still stand by my assertion that I would prefer Foye and Scola cut.

you didnt butler his point at all and then spent 2 paragraphs talking about foye and scola's oncourt impact when MDBs point to begin with was that you didnt have to be a great player or be a great player to be a great mentor. hell 90% of NBA coaches where great players and several not even NBA or college players.

the only post that seems to have spite is yours.

I didnt see anywhere that you addressed his point that you dont have to be a good on court player to be a good mentor

[Jkim18]

I brought it up because a player's career credidentials are compounded with what they can provide on the court when it comes to how well they can mentor players.

Like I said, it should have been worded differently. But I thought it was valid to think that Foye and Scola sucking on the court makes younger guys less likely to take their advice and such... but honestly, this is all speculation and we don't know how much impact they have in the locker room.

[Prokorov]

I brought it up because a player's career credidentials are compounded with what they can provide on the court when it comes to how well they can mentor players.

I disagree completely. I dont think you need to even play at all to be able to be a great mentor. we see it all the time. Just look at coaches and assistants. how many are former allstar NBA players? should no one listen to brad stevens?

Like I said, it should have been worded differently. But I thought it was valid to think that Foye and Scola sucking on the court makes younger guys less likely to take their advice and such... but honestly, this is all speculation and we don't know how much impact they have in the locker room.

I think its pretty riddiculous to think someone wouldnt listen to a long time veteran because they dont play well. There is an old saying... "those who can do, those who cant teach." and it applies here. the fact that scola is on the team and the GM/coach/players sing his praises makes it a pretty safe assumption that behind these scenes he is extremely valuable.

Also, your point kind of insinuates that all these young guys need to learn from vets is how to play basketball. yet from all the evidence we have (videos, documentaries, players quotes) is that most of it isnt basketball related. its life related. some of these kids are just 2 or 3 years removed from high school and maybe poverty or at least not being millionaries. Just stuff like knowing how to be responsible late at night in a big city, how to control hanger-ons and entorouges. how to deal with women out to get pregnant with your kid for the child support. how to handle yourself on road trips. who to talk to for tax advice/car advice/law advice/contracts/agents/travel/sneakers/endorsements/etc.... that all comes in to play.

then add on that marks is huge with being involved in the community. having a guy like scola who doesnt just participate but is pasisonate about being involved shows young guys the value. then you have scola being an international player who could help other international guys (dmo if he ended up here for instance).

I think you are glossing over like 90% of what these vets do to mentor young guys. especially the most important thing. THEY HAVE TO WANT TO DO IT. Scola clearly is invested in helping others in all aspects of life including mentoring young players. not everyone is like that. you can be a hall of famer but if you dont give a crap about rookies then what kind of mentor are you going to be? If you are a great player but love to get high/drunk/stay out til 5 am/have tons of illigitimate kids what kind of mentor is that?

the on court part is really irrelevant

[Jkim18]

Bringing up Brad Stevens is comparing apples to oranges. I didn't insinuate that if someone hasn't played in the NBA, that what they have to offer is not valid. I think you are kind of taking it out of context. We had our very own Lawrence Frank.

I'm not that foolish to state that a player has to be good in order to be a good mentor. If anything, sometimes the best players do not make good mentors... for example, Kobe was supposed to be Smush Parker's mentor but they really hated each other.

But I won't dispute the rest of what you said. You provide a solid argument in saying that guys like Scola can be a valuable part of the team. From a roster management standpoint, however, I'm not the biggest fan of using a roster spot on a guy who barely plays and if he does, he doesn't perform well.... but that's just me, like I said you provide a valid point...

[chrbal]

Terrence Jones and Jared Sullinger are the only ones I would even consider. But;
Jones is actually having a pretty good season and is probably choosing between playoff teams. Now mar 2nd, mar 3rd roles around and hes not signed the Nets should ABSOLUTELY bring him on.

Sullinger. Hes a a little more interesting. A poor shooting big man who can rebound who is having a really poor season, partially due to injuries. If the Nets had 14 guys on their roster, then I would do it. But i honestly think some team will take a flier on him as a depth guy.

No one else who got waived (or is rumored to be waived) makes any sense for the Nets.

[Paradise]

Scola just has been waived


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[Keith Van Horn]

well, there's that answer

[Jkim18]

Now all I'm hoping in regards to Foye is that he plays less. He may or may not be one of the worst players on this already bad roster; last I checked, he has a very high TO rate.

[chrbal]

Well, um...i guess the Nets should bring in Sullinger.

[brook]

We already have FOUR PF, I doubt we get Jones.

Sullinger is a crap without D and IQ. He is only a rebounding beast.

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[twosevenstreet]

So our current roster:

PG- Lin, Din, IW
SG- Foye (ugh), Skilz, Harris
SF- CLV, KJ
PF- RHJ, Book, Acy, Nick
C- Brook, Ham

My guess we will look to get a wing and once we cut Foye when can get a point and move IW to sg

[Jkim18]

So our current roster:

PG- Lin, Din, IW
SG- Foye (ugh), Skilz, Harris
SF- CLV, KJ
PF- RHJ, Book, Acy, Nick
C- Brook, Ham

My guess we will look to get a wing and once we cut Foye when can get a point and move IW to sg

We should start Whitehead at SG. He definitely has a higher ceiling, and may already be as good as or better than Harris. I also prefer starting IW over Kilpatrick as well considering that SK does not have much potential along with the fact that he has not been able to improve his suspect ball handling.

Hope we can find a nice diamond in the rough like Gerald Green rather than someone that amounts to nothing like Sundiata Gaines.

[Ror1997]

I think we should start Lin at SG and start Dinwiddie at PG. He's been balling out.

[twosevenstreet]

So our current roster:

PG- Lin, Din, IW
SG- Foye (ugh), Skilz, Harris
SF- CLV, KJ
PF- RHJ, Book, Acy, Nick
C- Brook, Ham

My guess we will look to get a wing and once we cut Foye when can get a point and move IW to sg

We should start Whitehead at SG. He definitely has a higher ceiling, and may already be as good as or better than Harris. I also prefer starting IW over Kilpatrick as well considering that SK does not have much potential along with the fact that he has not been able to improve his suspect ball handling.

Hope we can find a nice diamond in the rough like Gerald Green rather than someone that amounts to nothing like Sundiata Gaines.

If we bring in another PG, I'd love to see IW as the starting SG for the rest of the year.

Looking toward next season, I really think Skilz will be gone as well as Harris

[NyCeEvO]

We already have FOUR PF, I doubt we get Jones.

Sullinger is a crap without D and IQ. He is only a rebounding beast.

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Didn't Sullinger have some sort of medical issue that scared most teams who considered drafting him?

I remember when he was considered the next big thing coming out of high school. It's crazy how things can change so drastically for players.

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[brook]

We already have FOUR PF, I doubt we get Jones.

Sullinger is a crap without D and IQ. He is only a rebounding beast.

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Didn't Sullinger have some sort of medical issue that scared most teams who considered drafting him?

I remember when he was considered the next big thing coming out of high school. It's crazy how things can change so drastically for players.

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