2017 Draft Thread 2.0- Something to... Lmfao.. lol @

[Feel_the_Heat15]

The more I watch this year's prospects, the stronger my feeling that this is a very top heavy draft gets. Really bad year to win too many games instead of tanking.

I'm kinda meh about the entire 10-20 range. Williams, Giles, Leaf, Rabb, Hartenstein, Bridges, Adebayo, none of them are that exciting. I think our best hope is Markkanen slipping through somehow.

Got the same feeling.

As much as I'm enjoying our play lately, this a bad year to slip outside the top 6-8 picks.

A Josh Jackson or a Jonathan Isaac type player could have been a huge, HUGE addition for us going forward.

I see some of names mentioned here and I have zero confidence in them becoming more then decent bench guys.

You guys should review some of the past drafts. Multiple prospects weren't picked top 10 and became/are becoming successful NBA players. Also, this year's draft is very deep. I'm just guessing you guys are comparing mid-rounders to the top prospects which would negatively affect your assessments.

[Heat_Fan_87]

try and do a pkg of players our first round pick for a star this summer.

[RJM]

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I think Giles will atleast be a decent player but he has major health concerns and could suffer another knee injury like Parker. Hopefully some team gambles on Giles in the lottery.

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If he could develop a jumpshot...

If this guy were 7'1 instead of 6'8, he'd be a Top 3 pick. Franchise-altering center, even.

He's 6'10 and weights 260. If he could develop a jumpshot he'd make a great PF/stretch 5(or whatever people call it) but even at center I think he'd be better than average.

He's 6'8 without shoes, roughly 6'9. Justise Winslow is not 6'7/6'8. He's closer to 6'5.

[Bishop45]

Wonder why Draft Express and other outlets have TJ Leaf so low down on the board? Lonzo must be sucking all the hype in within his 'system'

Dude might not be great on defense but still doesn't make sense for him to be that far back this time of the year with his numbers

[DayofMourning]

Wonder why Draft Express and other outlets have TJ Leaf so low down on the board? Lonzo must be sucking all the hype in within his 'system'

Dude might not be great on defense but still doesn't make sense for him to be that far back this time of the year with his numbers

His mock rankings always confuse me. He has a lot of content, but his eye for talent rankings has always been kind of spotty. He doesn't change his rankings for months at a time. Does he still have Harry Giles ranked number one?

[Bishop45]

Wonder why Draft Express and other outlets have TJ Leaf so low down on the board? Lonzo must be sucking all the hype in within his 'system'

Dude might not be great on defense but still doesn't make sense for him to be that far back this time of the year with his numbers

His mock rankings always confuse me. He has a lot of content, but his eye for talent rankings has always been kind of spotty. He doesn't change his rankings for months at a time. Does he still have Harry Giles ranked number one?

Think they changed it like 2 weeks ago, got Ntilikina in the top 10 and Patton down to 13 but Leaf at 26

[DayofMourning]

Wonder why Draft Express and other outlets have TJ Leaf so low down on the board? Lonzo must be sucking all the hype in within his 'system'

Dude might not be great on defense but still doesn't make sense for him to be that far back this time of the year with his numbers

His mock rankings always confuse me. He has a lot of content, but his eye for talent rankings has always been kind of spotty. He doesn't change his rankings for months at a time. Does he still have Harry Giles ranked number one?

Think they changed it like 2 weeks ago, got Ntilikina in the top 10 and Patton down to 13 but Leaf at 26

Leaf at 26 does seem a bit low. I just looked at the rankings now. There are a handful of guys that are riding pretty high now (e.g., John Collins) while Leaf has been steady the entire season. Potential I guess. Everybody loves that hypothetical ceiling of a player with athleticism.

He finally moved Giles. He was holding on to that top ranking for forever after not having played in who knows how long.

[Duke4life831]

The more I watch this year's prospects, the stronger my feeling that this is a very top heavy draft gets. Really bad year to win too many games instead of tanking.

I'm kinda meh about the entire 10-20 range. Williams, Giles, Leaf, Rabb, Hartenstein, Bridges, Adebayo, none of them are that exciting. I think our best hope is Markkanen slipping through somehow.

I gotta disagree with you on this. You got Terrance Ferguson going around 20 and he is a very similar prospect as Terrance Ross was a few years back who went top 10. OG going 17th, that is one hell of a prospect to get after the lottery. 10-20 this year looks a lot stronger going into the draft than say the 15 draft which ended up having a really good 10-20.

[DayofMourning]

The more I watch this year's prospects, the stronger my feeling that this is a very top heavy draft gets. Really bad year to win too many games instead of tanking.

I'm kinda meh about the entire 10-20 range. Williams, Giles, Leaf, Rabb, Hartenstein, Bridges, Adebayo, none of them are that exciting. I think our best hope is Markkanen slipping through somehow.

I gotta disagree with you on this. You got Terrance Ferguson going around 20 and he is a very similar prospect as Terrance Ross was a few years back who went top 10. OG going 17th, that is one hell of a prospect to get after the lottery. 10-20 this year looks a lot stronger going into the draft than say the 15 draft which ended up having a really good 10-20.

Where you been buddy?

We need your analysis on the players slotted to go 15-20 now.

[Duke4life831]

The more I watch this year's prospects, the stronger my feeling that this is a very top heavy draft gets. Really bad year to win too many games instead of tanking.

I'm kinda meh about the entire 10-20 range. Williams, Giles, Leaf, Rabb, Hartenstein, Bridges, Adebayo, none of them are that exciting. I think our best hope is Markkanen slipping through somehow.

I gotta disagree with you on this. You got Terrance Ferguson going around 20 and he is a very similar prospect as Terrance Ross was a few years back who went top 10. OG going 17th, that is one hell of a prospect to get after the lottery. 10-20 this year looks a lot stronger going into the draft than say the 15 draft which ended up having a really good 10-20.

Where you been buddy?

We need your analysis on the players slotted to go 15-20 now.

Haha you guys started winning a ton of games so didnt think there was going to be much draft talk on here.

If you guys end up around 15-20 I think Terrance Ferguson may get look from you guys, good size SG that has a ton of bounce and can really spread the floor. If you guys really start ranking up the wins look for Tyler Lydon. I think hes going to be a better pro than Leaf and can be a good fit as a stretch 4 alongside Whiteside.

Not sure where you guys will go if you end around 10-12 though. I can see you guys going with Frank from France, from what Ive read and from the limited Ive seen he seems like an upgraded version of Josh Richardson (dont know the Euro guys that well though).

My sleeper for you guys is Miles Bridges. I know he can sound kind of redundant with Winslow but just think of the possibility of Winslow with a jumper and Bridges if his jumper stays. Two very strong athletes who can guard 1-4, in a couple years if they can both have jumpers they would be one hell of a pairing out on the perimeter. Its a risk but I think it would be worth it if Markkanen is gone by the times you guys pick and youre in the late lottery. Markkanen and DSJ are still the perfect fit for you guys but you guys winning has screwed your chances with those two.

So basically what I think is you guys need to stop winning and get Markkanen haha.

[DayofMourning]

Haha you guys started winning a ton of games so didnt think there was going to be much draft talk on here.

If you guys end up around 15-20 I think Terrance Ferguson may get look from you guys, good size SG that has a ton of bounce and can really spread the floor. If you guys really start ranking up the wins look for Tyler Lydon. I think hes going to be a better pro than Leaf and can be a good fit as a stretch 4 alongside Whiteside.

Not sure where you guys will go if you end around 10-12 though. I can see you guys going with Frank from France, from what Ive read and from the limited Ive seen he seems like an upgraded version of Josh Richardson (dont know the Euro guys that well though).

My sleeper for you guys is Miles Bridges. I know he can sound kind of redundant with Winslow but just think of the possibility of Winslow with a jumper and Bridges if his jumper stays. Two very strong athletes who can guard 1-4, in a couple years if they can both have jumpers they would be one hell of a pairing out on the perimeter. Its a risk but I think it would be worth it if Markkanen is gone by the times you guys pick and youre in the late lottery. Markkanen and DSJ are still the perfect fit for you guys but you guys winning has screwed your chances with those two.

I'm a fan of Ferguson as well. He has some real work to do with his game, but that outside shooting is suh-weet. Enough hops to brew a few barrels of beer as well.

I'm probably the biggest Lauri fan on here at the moment. Hoping he continues to have some down games so we can luck into him.

What are your thoughts on Allonzo Trier? His offensive game is pretty translatable. Haven't had time to sit down and look at his defense though.

[Duke4life831]

Haha you guys started winning a ton of games so didnt think there was going to be much draft talk on here.

If you guys end up around 15-20 I think Terrance Ferguson may get look from you guys, good size SG that has a ton of bounce and can really spread the floor. If you guys really start ranking up the wins look for Tyler Lydon. I think hes going to be a better pro than Leaf and can be a good fit as a stretch 4 alongside Whiteside.

Not sure where you guys will go if you end around 10-12 though. I can see you guys going with Frank from France, from what Ive read and from the limited Ive seen he seems like an upgraded version of Josh Richardson (dont know the Euro guys that well though).

My sleeper for you guys is Miles Bridges. I know he can sound kind of redundant with Winslow but just think of the possibility of Winslow with a jumper and Bridges if his jumper stays. Two very strong athletes who can guard 1-4, in a couple years if they can both have jumpers they would be one hell of a pairing out on the perimeter. Its a risk but I think it would be worth it if Markkanen is gone by the times you guys pick and youre in the late lottery. Markkanen and DSJ are still the perfect fit for you guys but you guys winning has screwed your chances with those two.

I'm a fan of Ferguson as well. He has some real work to do with his game, but that outside shooting is suh-weet. Enough hops to brew a few barrels of beer as well

I'm probably the biggest Lauri fan on here at the moment. Hoping he continues to have some down games so we can luck into him.

What are your thoughts on Allonzo Trier? His offensive game is pretty translatable. Haven't had time to sit down and look at his defense though.

Ya best case for you guys is if you stop winning and start racking up the losses and hope Lauri slips a little.

Im not that high on Trier and that dates back to when he was in high school. For some reason I just get a Dion Waiters feel from him and always have but less of a prospect. Hes going to be a mid to late 2nd round pick in my opinion and dont expect much from him on the NBA level.

Terrance Ross has such a simple but picture perfect jumper. Dont expect anything from him either than shooting wide open 3s for his first couple years and some highlight dunks. But I think a lights out shooter can really fit what you guys need.

[Bishop45]

I gotta disagree with you on this. You got Terrance Ferguson going around 20 and he is a very similar prospect as Terrance Ross was a few years back who went top 10. OG going 17th, that is one hell of a prospect to get after the lottery. 10-20 this year looks a lot stronger going into the draft than say the 15 draft which ended up having a really good 10-20.

Where you been buddy?

We need your analysis on the players slotted to go 15-20 now.

Haha you guys started winning a ton of games so didnt think there was going to be much draft talk on here.

If you guys end up around 15-20 I think Terrance Ferguson may get look from you guys, good size SG that has a ton of bounce and can really spread the floor. If you guys really start ranking up the wins look for Tyler Lydon. I think hes going to be a better pro than Leaf and can be a good fit as a stretch 4 alongside Whiteside.

Not sure where you guys will go if you end around 10-12 though. I can see you guys going with Frank from France, from what Ive read and from the limited Ive seen he seems like an upgraded version of Josh Richardson (dont know the Euro guys that well though).

My sleeper for you guys is Miles Bridges. I know he can sound kind of redundant with Winslow but just think of the possibility of Winslow with a jumper and Bridges if his jumper stays. Two very strong athletes who can guard 1-4, in a couple years if they can both have jumpers they would be one hell of a pairing out on the perimeter. Its a risk but I think it would be worth it if Markkanen is gone by the times you guys pick and youre in the late lottery. Markkanen and DSJ are still the perfect fit for you guys but you guys winning has screwed your chances with those two.

So basically what I think is you guys need to stop winning and get Markkanen haha.

Why exactly? I don't watch either of them enough to have an opinion but Leaf's younger more versatile and athletic... While Lydon's likely the better shooter. Leaf's handle doesn't look good enough to translate immediately but I like the upside

[Feel_the_Heat15]

If you ask me, I think Hartenstein has a higher ceiling than Markkanen. More athletic, superior ball-handler, better rebounder, longer wingspan, a year younger and looks like a better defender.

1.Williams
2.Hartenstein
3.Collins
4.Patton
5.Leaf
6.Adebayo

[Bishop45]

Hartenstein doesn't really stick out in terms of anything really, and he doesn't play much to justify him being a top 10 pick based on anything he's done now. Not in favor of any 6'9 Centers, so Adebayo, Williams and Rabb are in the low 20's for me easily, although I can see the interest in Williams with his wingspan

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Hartenstein doesn't really stick out in terms of anything really, and he doesn't play much to justify him being a top 10 pick based on anything he's done now. Not in favor of any 6'9 Centers, so Adebayo, Williams and Rabb are in the low 20's for me easily, although I can see the interest in Williams with his wingspan

I got to disagree with you there, he at least sticks out in that he's a terrific passer(5.3 assists per 40 at the U18s) and can get by opposing bigs. Those 2 qualities alone tell you that he could be a special player. Why does a player need to be 7 feet tall to play center? As long as they can defend and score efficiently does height really need to matter that much? You got to factor in that Adebayo weighs 260 and has the wingspan of a center. Adebayo also has the ability to defend the perimeter which most centers aren't able to do. I see Williams and Rabb as PFs. Williams is athletic enough and Rabb seems to have a 3-point shot.

[Duke4life831]

Where you been buddy?

We need your analysis on the players slotted to go 15-20 now.

Haha you guys started winning a ton of games so didnt think there was going to be much draft talk on here.

If you guys end up around 15-20 I think Terrance Ferguson may get look from you guys, good size SG that has a ton of bounce and can really spread the floor. If you guys really start ranking up the wins look for Tyler Lydon. I think hes going to be a better pro than Leaf and can be a good fit as a stretch 4 alongside Whiteside.

Not sure where you guys will go if you end around 10-12 though. I can see you guys going with Frank from France, from what Ive read and from the limited Ive seen he seems like an upgraded version of Josh Richardson (dont know the Euro guys that well though).

My sleeper for you guys is Miles Bridges. I know he can sound kind of redundant with Winslow but just think of the possibility of Winslow with a jumper and Bridges if his jumper stays. Two very strong athletes who can guard 1-4, in a couple years if they can both have jumpers they would be one hell of a pairing out on the perimeter. Its a risk but I think it would be worth it if Markkanen is gone by the times you guys pick and youre in the late lottery. Markkanen and DSJ are still the perfect fit for you guys but you guys winning has screwed your chances with those two.

So basically what I think is you guys need to stop winning and get Markkanen haha.

Why exactly? I don't watch either of them enough to have an opinion but Leaf's younger more versatile and athletic... While Lydon's likely the better shooter. Leaf's handle doesn't look good enough to translate immediately but I like the upside

Leaf is a better leaper but I think Lydon has more transferable athleticism than Leaf. When I say that I mean Lydon is more fluid and agile than Leaf, Leaf can be a bit stiff in the way he moves and I think they plus his lack of strength is going to be a problem for him. Lydon to me is going to be the better perimeter shooter and with the better agility I think has the better defensive upside. I also think Leaf it's benefiting greatly this year from playing in UCLA's offense and alongside Ball. I think if you switched Lydon onto UCLA I think Lydon would be the easy choice between the two.

[DayofMourning]

Why exactly? I don't watch either of them enough to have an opinion but Leaf's younger more versatile and athletic... While Lydon's likely the better shooter. Leaf's handle doesn't look good enough to translate immediately but I like the upside

Leaf is a better leaper but I think Lydon has more transferable athleticism than Leaf. When I say that I mean Lydon is more fluid and agile than Leaf, Leaf can be a bit stiff in the way he moves and I think they plus his lack of strength is going to be a problem for him. Lydon to me is going to be the better perimeter shooter and with the better agility I think has the better defensive upside. I also think Leaf it's benefiting greatly this year from playing in UCLA's offense and alongside Ball. I think if you switched Lydon onto UCLA I think Lydon would be the easy choice between the two.

I'm not on the Leaf or Lydon wagon at the moment. I'd much rather go in about 5 different directions.

[Duke4life831]

Why exactly? I don't watch either of them enough to have an opinion but Leaf's younger more versatile and athletic... While Lydon's likely the better shooter. Leaf's handle doesn't look good enough to translate immediately but I like the upside

Leaf is a better leaper but I think Lydon has more transferable athleticism than Leaf. When I say that I mean Lydon is more fluid and agile than Leaf, Leaf can be a bit stiff in the way he moves and I think they plus his lack of strength is going to be a problem for him. Lydon to me is going to be the better perimeter shooter and with the better agility I think has the better defensive upside. I also think Leaf it's benefiting greatly this year from playing in UCLA's offense and alongside Ball. I think if you switched Lydon onto UCLA I think Lydon would be the easy choice between the two.

I'm not on the Leaf or Lydon wagon at the moment. I'd much rather go in about 5 different directions.[/quote]

Haha ya I cant blame you on that. This draft has a bunch of guys with high potential even later on and Lydon/Leaf/Rabb are not those guys.

[DayofMourning]

Haha ya I cant blame you on that. This draft has a bunch of guys with high potential even later on and Lydon/Leaf/Rabb are not those guys.

What are your thoughts on Rabb? We have a poster on the forums who's convinced he's the real deal. We've had Lauri vs Rabb debates before.