College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

Bogyo · Post #921 » by **Bogyo** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:16 pm

I want Ball less and less... His family baggage is a major turnoff, as is that weird hitch in his jumpshot. He will not be able to get that off against elite defenders, which will affect his game a lot. The question is will he be able to correct it - and is he willing to change it, or will he pout like a spoiled, entitled child...
Sorry, notsorry.

DirtyDez · Post #922 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:59 pm

Bogyo wrote:I want Ball less and less... His family baggage is a major turnoff, as is that weird hitch in his jumpshot. He will not be able to get that off against elite defenders, which will affect his game a lot. The question is will he be able to correct it - and is he willing to change it, or will he pout like a spoiled, entitled child...
Sorry, notsorry.

Seen or heard nothing to suggest he's a spoiled or entintled brat. All my questions regarding Lonzo are on-the-court concerns.

Post #923 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:51 pm

I wouldn't mind taking Trier with the Toronto pick if he comes out, depending on who else is available at that point in the draft.

Player of the Week

Allonzo Trier, Guard (Arizona)

Arizona may have lost in the second chapter of its showdown with UCLA, but Trier was outstanding. On Saturday against the Bruins, Trier scored a career-high 28 points on 11-14 shooting from the field. He also made three of six three-point attempts. The rest of his team, however, made only two on twelve attempts. Trier was one of my top five prospects from the Pac-12 in the preseason, and he is beginning to make a name for himself with his recent performance. As a freshman last season, Trier showed flashes of his advanced scoring ability, and after sitting out for much of the season due to a PED suspension, he looks even more dangerous offensively. Trier has now scored at least 20 points in three straight games and has demonstrated he can score in a variety ways.

On the national spotlight on Saturday, Trier showed deep range on his jump shot, the ability to create his own shot in the mid-range area, and the strength to finish through contact at the rim. Trier has also improved in many areas in his sophomore season. Thus far he has been more efficient form the field and has been a more consistent three-point shooter. He additionally has expanded his game and has become more than just the scorer he was known as last season. Trier is doing a better job of getting his teammates involved, attacking the glass, and limiting his turnovers. Where Trier will really make his money at the next level, however, is his ability to put the ball in the basket.

He has decent size for a two guard at 6-5, and has the skillset to be a strong complimentary scorer at the next level. He is not an elite athlete or defensive player, which will prevent him from being an early first-round pick, but his overall scoring prowess will allow him to have a long, successful career at the next level. He's beginning to make a strong push for the first round, should he decide to declare for the draft.

More about other prospects as well here.... http://www.nbadraft.net/time-i-get-arizona

Post #924 » by **ATTL** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:54 am

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Frank could be a good value pick, he has all the physical tools.

DirtyDez · Post #925 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:41 am

bwgood77 wrote:I wouldn't mind taking Trier with the Toronto pick if he comes out, depending on who else is available at that point in the draft.

HIs on ball D was fantastic last night. Should've went to him on the last possession. With a strong finish he could sneak in the 1st Rd.

I'm hearing from a dude in the program that Kobi made up his mind to go pro after 1-yr regardless of his stock. Grant Jarrett situation... I'm thinking Rawle comes back.

MrMiyagi · Post #926 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:22 am

DirtyDez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I wouldn't mind taking Trier with the Toronto pick if he comes out, depending on who else is available at that point in the draft.

HIs on ball D was fantastic last night. Should've went to him on the last possession. With a strong finish he could sneak in the 1st Rd.

I'm hearing from a dude in the program that Kobi made up his mind to go pro after 1-yr regardless of his stock. Grant Jarrett situation... I'm thinking Rawle comes back.

Grant Jarrett was a fool.

I think Kobi would definitely benefit from staying another season. He'd start, probably at point guard, next season and could really shine.

Zo's got that James Harden-Lite game and would be a really good get in the 2nd round. I think he's very confident, but not too big for his britches. Would be a great off the bench guard.

sunsbum · Post #927 » by **sunsbum** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:51 pm

ATTL wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Frank could be a good value pick, he has all the physical tools.

His shot scares me.

Zelaznyrules · Post #928 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:09 pm

sunsbum wrote:
ATTL wrote:
Frank could be a good value pick, he has all the physical tools.

His shot scares me.

Me too.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #929 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:50 am

Josh Jackson playing at the moment after 16 minutes:

Good: 5 points, 6 rebounds, 2-4 FG.
Bad: 3 turnovers, 1-5 FT.

darealjuice · Post #930 » by **darealjuice** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:06 am

Josh had a rough half, far too many turnovers and no one can make a free throw. Seems like the whole Kansas team game out too jumpy on Senior Night, I expect Bill to bring them back to Earth for the 2nd half.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #931 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:09 am

sunsbum wrote:
ATTL wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Frank could be a good value pick, he has all the physical tools.

His shot scares me.

Those highlights are impressive. Won't be shocked to see his name called in the top 5.

Mr Puddles · Post #932 » by **Mr Puddles** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:31 am

Zelaznyrules wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
ATTL wrote:
Frank could be a good value pick, he has all the physical tools.

His shot scares me.

Me too.

His shot has improved a lot this season actually

Mulhollanddrive · Post #933 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:01 am

Probably would be the slowest starting PG in the NBA (has trouble getting by opponents / creating seperation) that's the only thing stopping him from being top 5, huge fan of his potential otherwise.

darealjuice · Post #934 » by **darealjuice** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:59 am

Duke vs FSU tomorrow at 5 local time, Jayson Tatum and Jonathan Isaac will likely be matched up. I'll definitely be catching it, but FSU usually sucks on the road.

Round 2 of UCLA and Washington on Wednesday too. I wonder if Fultz will play in that one?

Zelaznyrules · Post #935 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:02 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
His shot scares me.

Me too.

His shot has improved a lot this season actually

Maybe? I'm relying solely on second hand information and clips so I'm concerned about his shot and his quickness but I have no conviction either way.

Damkac · Post #936 » by **Damkac** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:58 am

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Post #937 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:09 am

Damkac wrote:
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The one player I wouldn't trade our draft pick for a superstar. If we landed No 1, I'd immediately trade Bledsoe for hopefully a pick in the 5-10 range. Trade Chandler for whatever we can get, Knight for scraps. I'd probably want to keep Len, hopefully land a pick in the teens and draft Harry Giles maybe.
Can we please just get the No 1 pick? Lakers and Ball were destined for each other, so they can take No 2. Celtics don't deserve a top 2 pick, they can get away with No 3 and still trade it for Jimmy/PG13.

Zelaznyrules · Post #938 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:26 am

Qwigglez wrote:
Damkac wrote:
Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

The one player I wouldn't trade our draft pick for a superstar. If we landed No 1, I'd immediately trade Bledsoe for hopefully a pick in the 5-10 range. Trade Chandler for whatever we can get, Knight for scraps. I'd probably want to keep Len, hopefully land a pick in the teens and draft Harry Giles maybe.
Can we please just get the No 1 pick? Lakers and Ball were destined for each other, so they can take No 2. Celtics don't deserve a top 2 pick, they can get away with No 3 and still trade it for Jimmy/PG13.

I love Fultz and think the pro game is built for him but this continuing knee soreness worries me. It looks like he's going to miss 5 of his final 7 college games resting that sore knee. I know some are guessing it's a made up excuse to protect his pro career but there's no reason to lie about something like this at the college level. There isn't a team in the league that would fault him for calling it quits now so he can start focusing on preparing for the draft and his NBA career.

I'd love to pair Booker with either Fultz or Lonzo but between Papa Ball and Markelle's knee, I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off trading out of the number one spot should we hit the lottery jackpot. Obviously, that isn't a situation the Suns will have to decide on for awhile but it's something to consider.

Post #939 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:31 am

Zelaznyrules wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
Damkac wrote:
Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

The one player I wouldn't trade our draft pick for a superstar. If we landed No 1, I'd immediately trade Bledsoe for hopefully a pick in the 5-10 range. Trade Chandler for whatever we can get, Knight for scraps. I'd probably want to keep Len, hopefully land a pick in the teens and draft Harry Giles maybe.
Can we please just get the No 1 pick? Lakers and Ball were destined for each other, so they can take No 2. Celtics don't deserve a top 2 pick, they can get away with No 3 and still trade it for Jimmy/PG13.

I love Fultz and think the pro game is built for him but this continuing knee soreness worries me. It looks like he's going to miss 5 of his final 7 college games resting that sore knee. I know some are guessing it's a made up excuse to protect his pro career but there's no reason to lie about something like this at the college level. There isn't a team in the league that would fault him for calling it quits now so he can start focusing on preparing for the draft and his NBA career.

I'd love to pair Booker with either Fultz or Lonzo but between Papa Ball and Markelle's knee, I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off trading out of the number one spot should we hit the lottery jackpot. Obviously, that isn't a situation the Suns will have to decide on for awhile but it's something to consider.

I am just not a fan of Ball. His floor could be MCW or Kendall Marshall IMO. His ceiling could be Jason Kidd though. I thought Irving had an ankle injury in college and he was still picked No 1. Knees are a serious issue so we'd have to get our medical staff to take a look at Fultz before making a decision but if they red-flag it then perhaps trading the pick would be best. Though Josh Jackson is an intriguing prospect.

Zelaznyrules · Post #940 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:45 am

Qwigglez wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
The one player I wouldn't trade our draft pick for a superstar. If we landed No 1, I'd immediately trade Bledsoe for hopefully a pick in the 5-10 range. Trade Chandler for whatever we can get, Knight for scraps. I'd probably want to keep Len, hopefully land a pick in the teens and draft Harry Giles maybe.
Can we please just get the No 1 pick? Lakers and Ball were destined for each other, so they can take No 2. Celtics don't deserve a top 2 pick, they can get away with No 3 and still trade it for Jimmy/PG13.

I love Fultz and think the pro game is built for him but this continuing knee soreness worries me. It looks like he's going to miss 5 of his final 7 college games resting that sore knee. I know some are guessing it's a made up excuse to protect his pro career but there's no reason to lie about something like this at the college level. There isn't a team in the league that would fault him for calling it quits now so he can start focusing on preparing for the draft and his NBA career.

I'd love to pair Booker with either Fultz or Lonzo but between Papa Ball and Markelle's knee, I'm starting to wonder if we wouldn't be better off trading out of the number one spot should we hit the lottery jackpot. Obviously, that isn't a situation the Suns will have to decide on for awhile but it's something to consider.

I am just not a fan of Ball. His floor could be MCW or Kendall Marshall IMO. His ceiling could be Jason Kidd though. I thought Irving had an ankle injury in college and he was still picked No 1. Knees are a serious issue so we'd have to get our medical staff to take a look at Fultz before making a decision but if they red-flag it then perhaps trading the pick would be best. Though Josh Jackson is an intriguing prospect.

I just don't get all the doubts here about Ball, other than about his father? And I think his floor is closer to Jason Kidd than his ceiling is to Kendall Marshall. I really think Lonzo, playing ability only, is arguably the safest pick in this draft. I don't see any way he busts or comes close to it as far as his talent goes.

I worry a little about him going insane once he's free from his father and I worry a little about his daddy pulling his strings and forcing him to LA but on the court, not a single concern. IMO he can't fail. I'd say the same about Fultz too, if he stays healthy his floor is on a par with Lillard (not comparing style, just level of success). He'll need to improve to become a once in a generation type player but he'll walk into the league at a near all star level.

If we have the 1st or 2nd pick, and take Ball, how will you feel