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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#301 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:17 pm

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knickstape4ever wrote:Watching ESPN and everyone is still **** on the Kings for the Cousins trade. Call me crazy but I dont think Its a terrible trade. I actually kinda like it for the Kings. There is a very good chance the Pelicans don't make the playoffs, so the Kings get a lottery pick, they also get Buddy Hield, who was just a lottery pick last year and its way too soon to call him a bust. Thibs actually said recently he's a "big fan" of Hield and that he'd have a terrific career. The most important part of the deal, IMO, is that the Kings got rid of Cousins in order to keep their pick this year; they were winning too many games to keep their pick with Cousins, and dealing their best player was the best chance at keeping a top 10 pick in a loaded draft.

So essentially the Kings got:
Hield
potentially 2 Lottery picks in 2017 (one of which is top 10, and the other from the Pelicans is currently at #6)
Galloway (solid bench piece)

doubt they resign Evans

The Kings could potentially have 2 top 10 picks. I'm jealous, especially in this draft


Nahh, still an awful trade. Hield doesn't go top 10 in this years draft. Demarcus is a top 15 talent in the NBA entering his prime. Bad asset management.


Yeah I agree. I understood trading Cousins (even though I didn't agree with it), but not for that haul. Hield is just ok. Galloway is a nice reserve player but, why protect that pick 1-3? What reason do you have for that? You know how dumb they're going to look if NO sneaks into that top 3?!?!?
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#302 » by sportscrazy » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:34 pm

If we're left out of the Fultz/Ball/Smith tier of point guards, would you rather draft Frank Ntilikina, De'Aaron Fox or trade our pick for Eric Bledsoe (assuming Phoenix drafts Fultz or Ball) if it came down to those 3 options?
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#303 » by Meat » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:00 pm

sportscrazy wrote:If we're left out of the Fultz/Ball/Smith tier of point guards, would you rather draft Frank Ntilikina, De'Aaron Fox or trade our pick for Eric Bledsoe (assuming Phoenix drafts Fultz or Ball) if it came down to those 3 options?

trade for a 28 year old.. for what **** reason
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#304 » by knickstape4ever » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:22 am

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knickstape4ever wrote:Watching ESPN and everyone is still **** on the Kings for the Cousins trade. Call me crazy but I dont think Its a terrible trade. I actually kinda like it for the Kings. There is a very good chance the Pelicans don't make the playoffs, so the Kings get a lottery pick, they also get Buddy Hield, who was just a lottery pick last year and its way too soon to call him a bust. Thibs actually said recently he's a "big fan" of Hield and that he'd have a terrific career. The most important part of the deal, IMO, is that the Kings got rid of Cousins in order to keep their pick this year; they were winning too many games to keep their pick with Cousins, and dealing their best player was the best chance at keeping a top 10 pick in a loaded draft.

So essentially the Kings got:
Hield
potentially 2 Lottery picks in 2017 (one of which is top 10, and the other from the Pelicans is currently at #6)
Galloway (solid bench piece)

doubt they resign Evans

The Kings could potentially have 2 top 10 picks. I'm jealous, especially in this draft


Nahh, still an awful trade. Hield doesn't go top 10 in this years draft. Demarcus is a top 15 talent in the NBA entering his prime. Bad asset management.


Yeah I agree. I understood trading Cousins (even though I didn't agree with it), but not for that haul. Hield is just ok. Galloway is a nice reserve player but, why protect that pick 1-3? What reason do you have for that? You know how dumb they're going to look if NO sneaks into that top 3?!?!?


I agree the dumb part is the top 3 protection. But NO is at #6 now; i dont think they'll make the playoffs but they will win more games. The Kings could have 2 top 10 picks in this draft, and even though those picks would be in the backend of the top 10, this draft is so deep. Players in the 7-10 range include: Isaac, Fox, Frank, Lauri. If the Kings got 2 of those guys that'd be a pretty nice building block for the future.

I'd kill for two top 10 picks. That's why I wanted the Knicks to trade Melo for a potential top 10 pick. Having two top 10 picks in this draft would be insane
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#305 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:28 am

sportscrazy wrote:If we're left out of the Fultz/Ball/Smith tier of point guards, would you rather draft Frank Ntilikina, De'Aaron Fox or trade our pick for Eric Bledsoe (assuming Phoenix drafts Fultz or Ball) if it came down to those 3 options?


I'm good with either draft pick.

If we end with any of the following I'll be alright

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Smith
Monk
Tatum
Fox
Frank

Any of those top 5 I'll be ecstatic.

We should not be trading for Bledsoe, even though I like his game. Or at least not using our pick supply to do it. If they end up making some moves and netting some first, then sending them for Bledsoe. Different story, depending on how it goes down.
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#306 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:29 am

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Mecca wrote:
Nahh, still an awful trade. Hield doesn't go top 10 in this years draft. Demarcus is a top 15 talent in the NBA entering his prime. Bad asset management.


Yeah I agree. I understood trading Cousins (even though I didn't agree with it), but not for that haul. Hield is just ok. Galloway is a nice reserve player but, why protect that pick 1-3? What reason do you have for that? You know how dumb they're going to look if NO sneaks into that top 3?!?!?


I agree the dumb part is the top 3 protection. But NO is at #6 now; i dont think they'll make the playoffs but they will win more games. The Kings could have 2 top 10 picks in this draft, and even though those picks would be in the backend of the top 10, this draft is so deep. Players in the 7-10 range include: Isaac, Fox, Frank, Lauri. If the Kings got 2 of those guys that'd be a pretty nice building block for the future.

I'd kill for two top 10 picks. That's why I wanted the Knicks to trade Melo for a potential top 10 pick. Having two top 10 picks in this draft would be insane


They could end up with a Frank Monk Skal WCS core. Not bad. Plus they have their 2018 outright i believe.

I still think they sold low. But they'll bounce back better than expected if they don't get too cute in the draft IE taking a big man when they have Skal WCS and that Greek guy already
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#307 » by Mecca » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:32 am

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knickstape4ever wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Yeah I agree. I understood trading Cousins (even though I didn't agree with it), but not for that haul. Hield is just ok. Galloway is a nice reserve player but, why protect that pick 1-3? What reason do you have for that? You know how dumb they're going to look if NO sneaks into that top 3?!?!?


I agree the dumb part is the top 3 protection. But NO is at #6 now; i dont think they'll make the playoffs but they will win more games. The Kings could have 2 top 10 picks in this draft, and even though those picks would be in the backend of the top 10, this draft is so deep. Players in the 7-10 range include: Isaac, Fox, Frank, Lauri. If the Kings got 2 of those guys that'd be a pretty nice building block for the future.

I'd kill for two top 10 picks. That's why I wanted the Knicks to trade Melo for a potential top 10 pick. Having two top 10 picks in this draft would be insane


They could end up with a Frank Monk Skal WCS core. Not bad. Plus they have their 2018 outright i believe.

I still think they sold low. But they'll bounce back better than expected if they don't get too cute in the draft IE taking a big man when they have Skal WCS and that Greek guy already


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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#308 » by sportscrazy » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:49 am

dakomish23 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:If we're left out of the Fultz/Ball/Smith tier of point guards, would you rather draft Frank Ntilikina, De'Aaron Fox or trade our pick for Eric Bledsoe (assuming Phoenix drafts Fultz or Ball) if it came down to those 3 options?


I'm good with either draft pick.

If we end with any of the following I'll be alright

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Smith
Monk
Tatum
Fox
Frank

Any of those top 5 I'll be ecstatic.

We should not be trading for Bledsoe, even though I like his game. Or at least not using our pick supply to do it. If they end up making some moves and netting some first, then sending them for Bledsoe. Different story, depending on how it goes down.


I was also thinking more along the lines of Joakim Noah and our pick for Eric Bledsoe, not necessarily a straight swap if that makes any difference and it would only be under the circumstance where 'Melo does not waive his No Trade Clause.
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Post#309 » by Blockwatcher » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:52 am

NO Bledsoe
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Post#310 » by swisscheeseD » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:55 am

dakomish23 wrote:They could end up with a Frank Monk Skal WCS core. Not bad. Plus they have their 2018 outright i believe.

I still think they sold low. But they'll bounce back better than expected if they don't get too cute in the draft IE taking a big man when they have Skal WCS and that Greek guy already


How dare you leave out Buddy Curry from their core!
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#311 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 4:43 am

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dakomish23 wrote:They could end up with a Frank Monk Skal WCS core. Not bad. Plus they have their 2018 outright i believe.

I still think they sold low. But they'll bounce back better than expected if they don't get too cute in the draft IE taking a big man when they have Skal WCS and that Greek guy already


How dare you leave out Buddy Curry from their core!


I forgot he was there :lol:

That's a good sign, right?
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#312 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 4:46 am

sportscrazy wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
sportscrazy wrote:If we're left out of the Fultz/Ball/Smith tier of point guards, would you rather draft Frank Ntilikina, De'Aaron Fox or trade our pick for Eric Bledsoe (assuming Phoenix drafts Fultz or Ball) if it came down to those 3 options?


I'm good with either draft pick.

If we end with any of the following I'll be alright

Fultz
Ball
Jackson
Smith
Monk
Tatum
Fox
Frank

Any of those top 5 I'll be ecstatic.

We should not be trading for Bledsoe, even though I like his game. Or at least not using our pick supply to do it. If they end up making some moves and netting some first, then sending them for Bledsoe. Different story, depending on how it goes down.


I was also thinking more along the lines of Joakim Noah and our pick for Eric Bledsoe, not necessarily a straight swap if that makes any difference and it would only be under the circumstance where 'Melo does not waive his No Trade Clause.


I don't think anyone is taking on that Noah contract unless you give them a 1st at least in the top 20. It's just too much money for too much dead weight.

Sucks that a warrior like himself is viewed like this by most folks.
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#313 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 4:47 am

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knickstape4ever wrote:
I agree the dumb part is the top 3 protection. But NO is at #6 now; i dont think they'll make the playoffs but they will win more games. The Kings could have 2 top 10 picks in this draft, and even though those picks would be in the backend of the top 10, this draft is so deep. Players in the 7-10 range include: Isaac, Fox, Frank, Lauri. If the Kings got 2 of those guys that'd be a pretty nice building block for the future.

I'd kill for two top 10 picks. That's why I wanted the Knicks to trade Melo for a potential top 10 pick. Having two top 10 picks in this draft would be insane


They could end up with a Frank Monk Skal WCS core. Not bad. Plus they have their 2018 outright i believe.

I still think they sold low. But they'll bounce back better than expected if they don't get too cute in the draft IE taking a big man when they have Skal WCS and that Greek guy already


Asking the Kings to draft well is like asking Eddy Curry to go vegan.


They did get Pizza Guy at #60

Literally the only good draft pick they made during the DMC era. And they gave him away
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Re: 2017 FA/Trade Wishing Well - 5 Card Stud Edition 

Post#314 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:55 am

Blockwatcher wrote:NO Bledsoe


Hypothetically though let's say we get the number 1-2 pick and Phoenix falls to 3-4... you wouldn't at least entertain the idea of picking up a solid player like Bledsoe and then pairing that with a Jackson? I think picking up an asset like that along with a JJ could really help enrich our talent pool for years to come... To me, unless a prospect really separates themselves over the next few months that top 4 and really 5 if you include Tatum are very close. Maybe a slight edge to Fultz but I'm not in love with him as much as everyone else.
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Post#315 » by bokoli » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:06 pm

Porzingis for jaylenn Brown from celtics. That guy will be hof-er..
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Post#316 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:30 pm

bokoli wrote:Porzingis for jaylenn Brown from celtics. That guy will be hof-er..

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Post#317 » by Mecca » Wed Mar 1, 2017 1:40 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
They could end up with a Frank Monk Skal WCS core. Not bad. Plus they have their 2018 outright i believe.

I still think they sold low. But they'll bounce back better than expected if they don't get too cute in the draft IE taking a big man when they have Skal WCS and that Greek guy already


Asking the Kings to draft well is like asking Eddy Curry to go vegan.


They did get Pizza Guy at #60

Literally the only good draft pick they made during the DMC era. And they gave him away


Isaiah dropping to 60 was a travesty. I was on record on this site screaming for the Knicks to grab IT. Dude was an absolute baller in Washington, and an alpha in tournament play. I still remember playing NCAA March Madness with Washington because of IT and Dante Cunningham. No reason Nate went in the 1st round and IT went pick #60.

My hot take of the day is that I think prime Nate Robinson could've been just as good as Isaiah Thomas if under the proper coaching, usage, and opportunity. IT was getting the journeyman/6th man rep pretty quickly until Boston allowed him to flourish.

In '08, Nate had like an 8 game streak of dropping 30 points, doing it in only 25 MPG.
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Post#318 » by dakomish23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 1:49 pm

Mecca wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Asking the Kings to draft well is like asking Eddy Curry to go vegan.


They did get Pizza Guy at #60

Literally the only good draft pick they made during the DMC era. And they gave him away


Isaiah dropping to 60 was a travesty. I was on record on this site screaming for the Knicks to grab IT. Dude was an absolute baller in Washington, and an alpha in tournament play. I still remember playing NCAA March Madness with Washington because of IT and Dante Cunningham. No reason Nate went in the 1st round and IT went pick #60.

My hot take of the day is that I think prime Nate Robinson could've been just as good as Isaiah Thomas if under the proper coaching, usage, and opportunity. IT was getting the journeyman/6th man rep pretty quickly until Boston allowed him to flourish.

In '08, Nate had like an 8 game streak of dropping 30 points, doing it in only 25 MPG.


So who's that guy in this draft? The HOU pick wil be in the 50's
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Post#319 » by Mecca » Wed Mar 1, 2017 1:56 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
They did get Pizza Guy at #60

Literally the only good draft pick they made during the DMC era. And they gave him away


Isaiah dropping to 60 was a travesty. I was on record on this site screaming for the Knicks to grab IT. Dude was an absolute baller in Washington, and an alpha in tournament play. I still remember playing NCAA March Madness with Washington because of IT and Dante Cunningham. No reason Nate went in the 1st round and IT went pick #60.

My hot take of the day is that I think prime Nate Robinson could've been just as good as Isaiah Thomas if under the proper coaching, usage, and opportunity. IT was getting the journeyman/6th man rep pretty quickly until Boston allowed him to flourish.

In '08, Nate had like an 8 game streak of dropping 30 points, doing it in only 25 MPG.


So who's that guy in this draft? The HOU pick wil be in the 50's


Midget guard that gets underlooked because of size? I loved Tyler Ulis last year. He went like 33 though.

I like Jawun Evans and Melo Trimble this year. Don't know if either have NBA skill sets though. Maybe Evans.
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Post#320 » by JM88 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 2:00 pm

bokoli wrote:Porzingis for jaylenn Brown from celtics. That guy will be hof-er..


Yeah, i agree. That Porzingis guy will be a hall of fame'er.

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