Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals

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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#41 » by OsuCavsfan103 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:53 pm

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Nope, I would have been nervous. But we closed with our smallball unit like we should have from game 1, and as I said after game 5 I felt really good about the series. Game 6 was not very close either, though CLE had some runs.

I'm not trying to troll here, I'm only pointing out that if you want us to be gracious for having one title, I dont think winning a series on the last shot gives you the high ground. We're both fortunate we've won a ship in the past 2 years. It could easily be 2-0 W's, or 2-0 Cavs. If you insist one side should be gracious, then both should. Any of that unfair?


I am not sure where I ever said CLE shouldn't be gracious. Almost anytime a team wins a title, some luck had to bounce their way. That being said, my point all along is that CLE's situation in 2015 is far worse than GS's this past year.

Both have titles, both should be happy about said titles regardless. But again, so we are clear on my stance, what CLE had to endure health wise in 2015 with the losses was far more impactful than GS in '16 with Curry's supposed injury.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#42 » by lorak » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:53 pm

Devassa wrote:How long did it take to type all of that, OP?


About 2 hours (including making gifs and reading recaps/listening to interviews).
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#43 » by Impuniti » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:54 pm

OsuCavsfan103 wrote:My favorite is when they try to compare Steph's injury and Bogut (who now sucks as some GS fans will say) to Kyrie and Love missing the entire Finals (Well kyrie did play one game)

Ah still is funny to hear that ridiculous comparison.

Do you ever get tired of your victim complex? It feels like half your posts are filled with whining or insecurity, which is weird since your team just had an amazing comeback and are the current champions.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#44 » by bmurph128 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:54 pm

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OsuCavsfan103 wrote:
FNQ wrote:[

We weren't down 0-2 to start.
Warriors controlled the whole thing in 2015, and the Cavs roared back in 2016. The difference is that in 2015 the games weren't close at the end, and 2016 ended on the final play.

Can't ask others to be gracious while not expecting the same of yourself.


My bad, I meant 1-2. Still the same applies, you won the first game in OT when Irving had to leave the game, then lost the next 2 games failing behind 1-2 in the seires. How exactly is that controlling the series? You lost HCA after game 2 for crying out loud.


That's fair, when we lost game 2 there was concern. After game 4 that concern was gone, after game 5 the series looked pretty wrapped up. Point being, that wasn't a close series, while 2016 absolutely was.. so if I and other W's fans are to be gracious we got a title (one that we got handily), it should absolutely go in the opposite direction, as 2016 was decided by one shot in the final seconds.



To be fair, the Cavs were missing their only other real offensive options. What we had to deal with was so much more difficult than what the Warriors had to deal with. And keep in mind when I say that, I'm not trying to rub salt in a wound or anything. Immediately after the Cavs won, Warriors fans came to the GB and claimed it was due to injury and directly compared their situation to ours. It's fairly obvious considering the impact Kyrie had in the series that what the Cavs had to go through was more difficult. It's not something I really even want to discuss but when we've heard from people how it's pretty much the same thing, I feel compelled to discuss it at that point, because that seemed to just be homerism at its finest.

I happen to think that if Kyrie doesn't get hurt, we win in 2015 and then the Warriors come back and win in 2016. So either way we'd both have titles and I'm fine with that. But then every now and then you hear that the Cavs got lucky to get a title, and at that point I'm compelled to point out that if both teams were fully healthy both years, the Cavs would have a better shot at winning both. It's just how people react to certain fan bases and for whatever reason, some Warriors fans get to me.


I know that last year going to 7 games makes you want to think that the series was closer than 2015, but I actually don't think that's the case:

Games 1 and 2 - both went to OT so no need to discuss

Game 3 - 5 point win for Cavs

Game 4 - Cavs only down 6 heading into the 4th, only down 3 late in the 3rd

Game 5 - Cavs had a lead with 8 minutes to play in the game

Game 6 - Cavs had the lead in the 3rd quarter, Warriors pulled away late in the 3rd


So the only game where the Cavs didn't hold at least one lead in the 2nd half was game 4 - and with about 13 minutes to play in that game, Cavs were only down 3. In 4 of the 6 game, the Cavs actually held a 4th quarter lead.

Compare that to the first 6 games of 2016...blow out city except game 4, which still ended in a decisive win for the Warriors (although it was closer than the other games). On a game by game basis, the 2015 series was much more competitive IMO.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#45 » by OsuCavsfan103 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:56 pm

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OsuCavsfan103 wrote:My favorite is when they try to compare Steph's injury and Bogut (who now sucks as some GS fans will say) to Kyrie and Love missing the entire Finals (Well kyrie did play one game)

Ah still is funny to hear that ridiculous comparison.

Do you ever get tired of your victim complex? It feels like half your posts are filled with whining or insecurity, which is weird since your team just had an amazing comeback and are the current champions.


Well sorry if it comes off that way, but I can assure you it's more of a laughing, "I can't believe they think this" mentality than anything else. I guess you will read it how you want to.

I am no victim, I think I've been pretty dang spoiled this past year.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#46 » by Impuniti » Wed Mar 1, 2017 5:58 pm

OsuCavsfan103 wrote:
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OsuCavsfan103 wrote:My favorite is when they try to compare Steph's injury and Bogut (who now sucks as some GS fans will say) to Kyrie and Love missing the entire Finals (Well kyrie did play one game)

Ah still is funny to hear that ridiculous comparison.

Do you ever get tired of your victim complex? It feels like half your posts are filled with whining or insecurity, which is weird since your team just had an amazing comeback and are the current champions.


Well sorry if it comes off that way, but I can assure you it's more of a laughing, "I can't believe they think this" mentality than anything else. I guess you will read it how you want to.

I am no victim, I think I've been pretty dang spoiled this past year.

It doesn't come off that way, you act insecure and constantly whine on top of having a victim complex. There's a reason I'm addressing you specifically and not all Cav fans who act completely normal.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#47 » by Vee-Rex » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:00 pm

GlenRiceARoni wrote:He was definitely injured. He had a sprained mcl. You could visibly see his loss of quickness and he limited his drives to the rim a lot.

A grade 2 sprain takes 3 weeks to 3 months to heal and it will be sore as hell for months

Of course he's not going to say "hey im injured, just switch every action because i cant get to the basket anyway."

Many NBA and NFL teams don't discose injuries or at least the full extent of them.

His knee wasn't 100%, period. That said, injuries happen. Heck they got gift wrapped a title in 2015 when every single one of their opponents got wrecked by injury

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Stephen Curry had a grade 1 MCL Sprain.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/stephen-curry-mri-grade-1-knee-sprain-golden-state-warriors-042516

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2016/04/25/stephen-curry-injury-golden-state-warriors-nba-playoffs/83493202/

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/stephen-curry-out-at-least-2-weeks-with-mcl-sprain-five-things-to-know/
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#48 » by whocurrz » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:02 pm

This is a good video that shows the difference between how Curry played and the Warriors utilized him. I think most fans who watched the series can come to similar conclusions as Coach Nick. Curry clearly wasn't the same player, but that doesn't excuse his turn overs and not ultimately the reason they lost.



One thing I noticed though, after the game 4 win, which was his best game of the series, he was noticeably limping into the tunnel. My friend and I noticed and said, good thing we won that game because now we have 3 games including 2 at home to close out. Still we didn't lose because he was hurt, we played because he had bad turnover, decision making and we took quick stupid shots
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#49 » by Optms » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:03 pm

The timing for this thread is not a coincidence. I'm not saying I disagree with it. But the fact that this comes a day after Durant goes down makes me laugh. :lol:
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#50 » by Starboy » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:07 pm

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Starboy wrote:ITT: Cavs fans trying to make themselves feel better. :noway:


You claimed he was clearly hurt laterally. Do you have a counter argument to the OP's post? Because he clearly addressed that.


I have my eyes with which I watched Curry struggle to move in the entire series and limp on the way to the locker room.

whatever makes you feel better though. Like I said, doesn't matter to me. I root for the team and my team lost.
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Post#51 » by OsuCavsfan103 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:13 pm

Impuniti wrote:It doesn't come off that way, you act insecure and constantly whine on top of having a victim complex. There's a reason I'm addressing you specifically and not all Cav fans who act completely normal.



Ok, you believe whatever you want slugger. I am not sure where you are getting that. Show me where I was whining?

The only thing I posted in the last few days that I can think of where I would say it would be fair to call whiney, is when I was saying it would not be fair if GS got to re-sign Bogut as a FA this year.

Other than that, the rest is merely laughing at certain people or situations, or arguing my opinion.

Perhaps you are just seeing what you want to see. You must be that person that takes every text message that doesn't have a smiley face as serious or angry lol
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#52 » by jc23 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:19 pm

OsuCavsfan103 wrote:It's simply and excuse to make themselves feel better that the Cavs learned how to play them and overwhelmed them the last 3 games. They were so used to dominating everyone, they didn't know what to do.

Curry was only expected to be out 2 weeks, yet 6 weeks later, he is magically still hurt. Nevermind the fact that he was running around like an arsehat weeks earlier vs Portland showboating. Nevermind the fact he was running around having the time of his life when they came back vs OKC. Then Cavaliers get into his head, getting him kicked out even. Getting him into poor games.... now magically he is hurt.

It's all excuses, and it really cracks me up still to this day


I agree with part of this, Curry and co. are definitely using his injury as an excuse. But you can not overlook the Draymond suspension, that changed the momentum of the series a ton.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#53 » by JonFromVA » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:23 pm

Vee-Rex wrote:
Starboy wrote:ITT: Cavs fans trying to make themselves feel better. :noway:


You claimed he was clearly hurt laterally. Do you have a counter argument to the OP's post? Because he clearly addressed that.


Only Steph knows how he felt on each of those plays. Pain and ability to play through pain is not a "constant" and varies from player to player and moment to moment.

Long-term Cavaliers fans remember when Mark Price took an elbow from Rick Mahorn in the regular season. That was in February 1998. He missed just one game and had many big games after, but those of us who remember how well he was playing before that elbow will tell you he was never the same.

Ignoring injuries is just silly.

Kevin Love got smashed in the head in game 2 of the Finals and suffered a concussion. He'd even put up 17 & 7 in game 1, but the take-away from many people/pundits was that he's ineffective .vs. the Warriors - they don't even count him as an asset for the Cavs in the matchup.

Well ... let's just see?

I guess that's just too boring in In a world of 'hot takes'.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#54 » by Patches Perry » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:24 pm

If it wasn't Curry's injury, it would have been officiating. Or a Draymond Green suspension. Or anything that doesn't involve direct accountability for the team. That's just the way fans operate. Not just GS fans, basically all fans.

Curry was fine. He didn't play all that well in the playoff run before that either. It's more a product of a more physical game in the playoffs. Sometimes it gets the best of physically weaker players.
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Post#55 » by Lovethisgamegr » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:30 pm

JonFromVA wrote:Kevin Love got smashed in the head in game 2 of the Finals and suffered a concussion. He'd even put up 17 & 7 in game 1, but the take-away from many people/pundits was that he's ineffective .vs. the Warriors - they don't even count him as an asset for the Cavs in the matchup.


And noone used that concussion as an excuse when the Cavs were down.And if they did lose the finals noone would say "hey Love had a concussion" Cavs shoul've won
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Post#56 » by OsuCavsfan103 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:32 pm

jc23 wrote:
OsuCavsfan103 wrote:It's simply and excuse to make themselves feel better that the Cavs learned how to play them and overwhelmed them the last 3 games. They were so used to dominating everyone, they didn't know what to do.

Curry was only expected to be out 2 weeks, yet 6 weeks later, he is magically still hurt. Nevermind the fact that he was running around like an arsehat weeks earlier vs Portland showboating. Nevermind the fact he was running around having the time of his life when they came back vs OKC. Then Cavaliers get into his head, getting him kicked out even. Getting him into poor games.... now magically he is hurt.

It's all excuses, and it really cracks me up still to this day


I agree with part of this, Curry and co. are definitely using his injury as an excuse. But you can not overlook the Draymond suspension, that changed the momentum of the series a ton.


Whose fault is that? Who is the idiot who keeps doing dumb crap like this to get into trouble? He is still doing it in fact. Nobody else seems to have as much issue in the league kicking and flailing and intentionally hitting people.

Even w/o Draymond, they had 3 chances to lock it up, including 2 at home.

People want to act like Draymond was suspended for not holding the door open for someone or something. He got mad at LeBron and tried to hit him in the nuts bc LeBron smartly got under his skin.
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#57 » by Lovethisgamegr » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:33 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
Only Steph knows how he felt on each of those plays.

i guess his feelings just got hurt
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Post#58 » by phanman » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:34 pm

lorak wrote:Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals


Enjoyed the read OP. +10000 And1 :D

Never really understood this defensive stance from Warriors fans, since he played so well against OKC. The guy clearly just got outplayed by Kyrie and had himself yet another subpar finals(to his ridiculous standards)
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Re: Stephen Curry wasn't injured/hurt/70% in 2016 Finals 

Post#59 » by mvpshaq32 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:35 pm

OP is on some lol

You don't have to be fully recovered from an injury to play basketball. Curry was healthy enough to play, but not in the same capacity as he was prior to the injury. Not to mention he had to ramp up his activities immediately to playoff basketball instead of a regular season game.
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Post#60 » by Zombiesonics » Wed Mar 1, 2017 6:37 pm

nate duncan mentions all the time that 'curry wasn't 100%' and if he was the warriors would have won, not only him but various guests/reporters on his podcast. This is a bit disingenuous because theres no way in hell LBJ was at 100% because of age/numerous finals in a row.

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