Brook Lopez says this season is better than '12-70'

Jkim18 · Post #1 » by **Jkim18** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:18 pm

Do you agree with him?

Brook said that the players this season have a completely different mindset from what they got from the group of guys in 2009-2010. I'd certainly hope so, even though it seems like a lot of players right now are playing for themselves. I also believe that we have a little more talent this year than we did from the 12-70 year. We have to win the last 4 out of 23 games.

MrDollarBills · Post #2 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:23 pm

From a competitive stand point, yes. The Nets have fought hard in most of these games but came up short because we seriously lack talent and experience.

I have enjoyed a majority of these games because the Nets were in there fighting, even the game against Golden State was fun to watch because guys were competing hard. Compare that to the 12-70 season when you had guys out for self and bitches like Courtney Lee making it obvious he didn't want to be here. It was very unpleasant. The following seasons weren't much better, with D-Will's sulking and half hearted play.

I'm not sure who on this team is playing for themselves. Guys who play for themselves quit early and often, like we have seen for years here, even in winning seasons, guys like D-Will, Joe Johnson used to bail on this team right in the middle of the game. Who is doing that on this team (in your opinion)?

Jkim18 · Post #3 » by **Jkim18** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:41 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:From a competitive stand point, yes. The Nets have fought hard in most of these games but came up short because we seriously lack talent and experience.

I have enjoyed a majority of these games because the Nets were in there fighting, even the game against Golden State was fun to watch because guys were competing hard. Compare that to the 12-70 season when you had guys out for self and bitches like Courtney Lee making it obvious he didn't want to be here. It was very unpleasant. The following seasons weren't much better, with D-Will's sulking and half hearted play.

I'm not sure who on this team is playing for themselves. Guys who play for themselves quit early and often, like we have seen for years here, even in winning seasons, guys like D-Will, Joe Johnson used to bail on this team right in the middle of the game. Who is doing that on this team (in your opinion)?

We definitely battle. In fact, I expect a nice battle tonight in Sacramento.

I still dislike Courtney Lee to this day because of that. He was such a pansy about being traded to New Jersey; the guy spent the season sulking and feeling bad for himself. To me, he's almost to the point of Alonzo Mourning when it comes to the level of contempt.

To me, the biggest culprit is Sean Kilpatrick. But I suppose it's not entirely his fault because he was forced into the role as a primary ball handler. But he seems to often try too much in creating his own shots, resulting in turnovers and bad shots. Randy Foye as well, judging by his poor assist to turnover ratio.

MrDollarBills · Post #4 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:48 pm

i don't think Kilpatrick is doing that out of self interest or negativity, I just think he's one of those guys that just have straight up tunnel vision.

He is a talented scorer, bar none. But he also has a very low basketball IQ on offense and defense and i think his poor playing habits reflect that.

Just my opinion though. I could be wrong about him.

Jkim18 · Post #5 » by **Jkim18** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:55 pm

Maybe not out of selfishness, but the fact that he exhibits tunnel vision on the court has a negative effect.

I'd say you're quite accurate in saying that he simply has a low BBIQ; it's probably because of his lack of experience in the NBA compounded with his older age in comparison to players who have had similar court time he's had but are much younger.

With that said, SK is good enough to be a role player (volume scorer) but in an ideal situation, he shouldn't really play more than 20 MPG (playing 26 minutes per game this season).

Papi_swav · Post #6 » by **Papi_swav** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 8:11 pm

At least we had a top 3 pick to look forward to, good times.

Post #7 » by **CalamityX12** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:24 pm

Brook Lopez is going to be part of two possible less than 13 win teams......

someone should ask him if he's playing now than he did in the 12-70 year....

MrDollarBills · Post #8 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 9:33 pm

Jkim18 wrote:Maybe not out of selfishness, but the fact that he exhibits tunnel vision on the court has a negative effect.

I'd say you're quite accurate in saying that he simply has a low BBIQ; it's probably because of his lack of experience in the NBA compounded with his older age in comparison to players who have had similar court time he's had but are much younger.

With that said, SK is good enough to be a role player (volume scorer) but in an ideal situation, he shouldn't really play more than 20 MPG (playing 26 minutes per game this season).

as we continue to build the team, i'd rather he be settled into a role where his whole purpose is to come in with the 2nd unit and provide a scoring boost. he was asked to do way too much this year. when you have him coming in with one purpose, he's a better player. asking him to run the point and what not is just not a role he's capable of.

I like Kilpatrick, but his defense is way too bad and his bball IQ is too low to play heavy minutes.

Prokorov · Post #9 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 2:09 pm

Jkim18 wrote:Do you agree with him?

Brook said that the players this season have a completely different mindset from what they got from the group of guys in 2009-2010. I'd certainly hope so, even though it seems like a lot of players right now are playing for themselves. I also believe that we have a little more talent this year than we did from the 12-70 year. We have to win the last 4 out of 23 games.

Yes and its not even close.

the 12-70 nets had zero direction and where completely tanking for john wall. Ratner was posturing the team for a sale and a move. not to build the franchises on court product. all he needed was to cut costs an a star. that meant gutting the team and tanking for wall. wall didnt work, cause why would a 70 loss team be lucky enough to get the #1 pick right? :banghead:

instead it was deal for dwill, and you know the rest from there.

This team has no talent, but something is being build. there is a plan. there is a style of plan. you trust the coach/GM. there are young players who will be here long term to watch develop. its alot different.

Jkim18 · Post #10 » by **Jkim18** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 3:16 pm

Especially after last night's win, it seems like Brook's claim is indeed true.

My hopes is that this is a season we can simply sweep under the rug... if we reach like 15 wins we'll be just another bad team instead of a historically bad team.

twosevenstreet · Post #11 » by **twosevenstreet** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 6:59 pm

Crazy that Brook is going to bookmark his Nets career with historically bad teams

Keith Van Horn · Post #12 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:17 pm

The great thing about this team is that we have competent management and coaching now. Things still suck at the moment and it REALLY sucks we don't have our pick on this historically bad team... but keep moving and looking forward.

I would rather have the dominoes set up the way we do now than be in the situation the Knicks are in. Players don't want to necessarily play for a city/team anymore.... they want to play with other great players and go into great situations. We're not there yet but we're getting there thanks to Marks and Atkinson. I don't know who the guy was on Francesna yesterday, but he was an NBA reporter and kept saying really good things about what's going on in Brooklyn, like "how they're doing it the right way", and "player development coaches like Atkinson are fantastic." (something to that tune)

I really think that in another 3-4 years we'll be relevant again, competing hard in the East. And (hopefully) by the time Lebron retires we'll be well on our way to being a perennial threat in the East.

MrDollarBills · Post #13 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:59 pm

The Nets are doing it the right way. No short cuts. It sucks now, but in 3 years we will be better off.

shakendfries · Post #14 » by **shakendfries** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:12 am

Paradise wrote:What a terrific season for Lopez. Making history.

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How many still want him here again? I'm over it.

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I'm waiting for an update...but I'm not so optimistic after watching Lin's injury woes unfold this season

HOW ARE WE GONNA TRADE THIS MO#H3R F0CKER NOW!

If I'm Sean Marks, I'd invest in a bubble suit for Brook to live in until draft night

MrDollarBills · Post #15 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:52 am

bro...it's a sprained ankle.

And frankly I'm not too geeked about Lopez's draft night value being any better. Dude is on pace to be the worst rebounding 7 footer in league history and is a defensive liability. No one is giving up any value for him.

Prokorov · Post #16 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:31 am

shut him down for the year. he doesnt help much on the floor and is the only pussy on the roster. give me acy/booker all day long