Mozgov / Deng Stretch Options

[GlenRiceARoni]

I still just don't get the Mozgov/Deng signings...

Like i get that Buss needed to show improvement. But i feel like overpaying for washed up, injury prone vets was a way to demonstrate total incompetence.

Like wouldn't you run this by a few knowledgeable season ticket holders first or something?

Hey, thinking about offering double the market value for these old guys and pairing them with my 20 year old core... whatta you think?



Also i think Fultz/Ball and Russell is a terrific pairing. 2 guard lineups are the bees knees these deese.

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What did Vivek get for Cousins?
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[danfantastk32]

I still just don't get the Mozgov/Deng signings...

Like i get that Buss needed to show improvement. But i feel like overpaying for washed up, injury prone vets was a way to demonstrate total incompetence.

Like wouldn't you run this by a few knowledgeable season ticket holders first or something?

Hey, thinking about offering double the market value for these old guys and pairing them with my 20 year old core... whatta you think?

I heard that Jim and Mitch kept things pretty close to the vest. They didn't talk to others about their plans. TBH....I think there's a bit of "shred the old boss" going on right now. "The winners write the history books" as they say, and so the winners are painting Jim/Mitch as they see fit. Could all be true...I don't really know.

I'll be honest...I thought Deng was gonna be better. I never thought he'd be worth what we were paying....and I did think we'd regret it year 3-4 in the contract. I didn't think that it would be such an obvious disaster year 1.

Mozgov was never a very good player, and so I will never understand what the appeal was there. Never seemed like it would fit. Take Hibbert. He at least was a beast once. Deng was pretty damn good once too. So you can at least UNDERSTAND the hope that those guys would re-reach greatness. Mozgov?

Jim did need to show improvement. The fact that he went with Moz and Deng really kinda exemplifies why doesn't work here anymore. When both your big free-agent signings are riding the pine 80% through the first year of their deal....you done messed things up.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Yea i mean everyone was saying stuff like "mozgov's deal wont look bad when you see what everyone else is making" and then the noah, turner, etc deals came out. And i was like uh these guys are all borderline unplayable making near max money. In what world are these not still bad deals?

He could have just kept the young guns and won 20-30 something games and had another top 3 pick and max cap room.

They really screwed up putting the pressure on him to make the playoffs this year. Just so shortsighted...

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I invented the Piano Key Necktie.
What did Vivek get for Cousins?
NOTHING!

[Vae Victus]

Mozgov is a servicable big man who does what big men need to do these days. Play hard nosed tough D in the paint, rim protector, PnR man, these are skills hes elite in (although he's had butter fingers this season oddly enough). Unfortunately he doesnt have elite mobility so he cant help much on the switch against a ball handler, but then few bigs can in such mismatch situations, which is why theyre so coveted especially if they have some offensive game. Sure its a bad contract, but its manageable.

He also fills a dire hole in the lineup of legit size, quite frankly the Lakers already know what they have in Mozgov and likely intend to keep him so no need to play him and let the young guys get some run. Hell if you look at lineup +- he's actually part of some of our better lineups, thus not playing him helps the tank. Black has a 6 mil team option next year, might as well see if he's worth keeping or not. Zubac can use all the dev mins possible and if we lose cuz we're undersized and inexperience.... hey man, we went through the ISO Sacre era, our team KNOWS how to tank like champs.

Deng yea... its bad. He's getting PT cuz we're trying to fluff his value but he's not cooperating and still sucking complete balls. At least it's helping the tank and we're thin at SF so might as well let it ride and hope for the best.

Deng aint going nowhere, our best case scenario with him is trading him + Ingram or top 3 pick to Indy for PG13, Birds choice, otherwise they risk losing him for nothing. Kill two birds with one stone, get a prime age superstar and dump a horrendous deal, then figure a way to dump Clarkson or Randle to make room to pitch to a 2nd superstar to team up with PG13 along with our young bucks (DLo, Nance, Zubac, Ingram or Pick). Imagine if we entice Blake Griffin to defect, we're instantly back into relevance.

PG - DLo
SG - PG13 or Fultz/Ball
SF - Ingram or PG13
PF - Blake Griffin
C - Mozgov

THAT is a balanced roster where everyone has set and defined roles which suit their strengths.

I can see us stretching one of them in year 3 or 4 of their deals if we have a superstar lined up to join our team, otherwise we just hold onto them and hope they play to their potential. Honestly a late 1st is nowhere near enough incentive for a team to eat either of these contracts, plz be serious now.

[Dr Aki]

I can see us stretching one of them in year 3 or 4 of their deals if we have a superstar lined up to join our team, otherwise we just hold onto them and hope they play to their potential. Honestly a late 1st is nowhere near enough incentive for a team to eat either of these contracts, plz be serious now.

that's why you gotta attach Clarkson or Randle to clear more cap space

those two are our only real chips (with the HOU 1st) to dump Deng or Mozgov

[Vae Victus]

I can see us stretching one of them in year 3 or 4 of their deals if we have a superstar lined up to join our team, otherwise we just hold onto them and hope they play to their potential. Honestly a late 1st is nowhere near enough incentive for a team to eat either of these contracts, plz be serious now.

that's why you gotta attach Clarkson or Randle to clear more cap space

those two are our only real chips (with the HOU 1st) to dump Deng or Mozgov

None of those trade chips are worth the pain of eating the massive remaining deals of Deng or Mozgov. Only Mozgov i can see easily tradeable by year 3/4 if he can play more mins and give near double double production, which at that point we might as well keep him.

Honestly Clarkson isnt really worth anything on the market. He's overpaid or considered "properly" paid at best. He's rather slight negative if his D and lack of vision goes unfixed. Needs to boost that 3pt shot a bit too.

Randle has "value" cuz he's still "developing" and on his rookie deal. The second we give him a Clarkson like deal, his value evaporates as well. Ideally we need to trade him asap along with Clarkson to get a good way wing. But if Blake Griffin isnt walking through the door due to our open max cap space we hold onto our chips and wait. Just... i'd hate to overpay Randle and lock ourselves into him.

HOU 1st isnt worth much. Deep 1st picks arent that hard to get tbh. Now if it were in the 15-20 range in a deep draft, it looks kinda nice, but 25+ is meh.

If we wanna dump one of Deng/Mozgov then they're the salary filler for when a team wants to dump a disgruntled superstar (like the aforementioned Deng+Ingram or pick for PG13 type deal). Cuz the other team at the point shouldnt care all that much about their cap since theyre blowing **** up and going young. There's just no other assets we have atm that can bridge the terrible worthlessness of those deals.

[mambo]

PG - DLo
SG - PG13 or Fultz/Ball + NWABA
SF - Ingram or PG13
PF - Blake Griffin
C - Mozgov

[danfantastk32]

that's why you gotta attach Clarkson or Randle to clear more cap space
those two are our only real chips (with the HOU 1st) to dump Deng or Mozgov

None of those trade chips are worth the pain of eating the massive remaining deals of Deng or Mozgov. Only Mozgov i can see easily tradeable by year 3/4 if he can play more mins and give near double double production, which at that point we might as well keep him.
Honestly Clarkson isnt really worth anything on the market. He's overpaid or considered "properly" paid at best.

I have to agree. I'm certainly not taking Deng or Mozgov for Clarkson. Efff that. Even if I need to reach cap-floor. I'll go overpay some other stiff....only I'll do it 1 year at a time, and keep my options open year to year.

If I'm taking Deng or Mozgov....you gotta give me something "good". Same goes for Bird and the PG stuff. He may not be able to stop us from getting PG....but he's sure as hell not gonna pour salt on the wound by taking some crap contract off our hands to boot.

Our Lotto pick (should we get it) and either Deng/Moz (only 1) for PG.

That's a trade I think both sides walk away from with both shame/regret..and optimism. It's prob the only deal that get's realistically done. Otherwise, If PG insists on leaving...Bird might take an Ingram/PG straight swap. No way he gobbles up one of those sh++ deals.

[danfantastk32]

I don't know that I make that deal (as the Lakers). The fact that PG might just sign with us a year later makes it damn hard to part with that top-3 pick (should we get it. It's not a done deal yet!)

If PG turns the screws....I offer up the Houston pick, and one of our 2nd rounders. Bird would prob take that, to at least get SOMETHING. That would require PG making it abundantly clear that he's leaving though.

[DS17]

I think Deng should be kept because he can play the 3 and the 4. Moz can only play the 5 (Barely). So if we end up trading the logjam we have at the PF position (Maybe well trade randle), Deng will be a prime peice of it.

PF: Nance, Deng, Robinson
C: Zubac, Robinson

[danfantastk32]

I think Deng should be kept because he can play the 3 and the 4. Moz can only play the 5 (Barely). So if we end up trading the logjam we have at the PF position (Maybe well trade randle), Deng will be a prime peice of it.

PF: Nance, Deng, Robinson
C: Zubac, Robinson

Honestly....we're just dangling bait. Hoping to get a bite. We got nothin on this team right now that's close to a "star". Im not worried too much about logjams, or any of that. If someone wants Deng....they can have Deng! I'm not gonna get picky about which contract we manage to offload.

IMO, both deals are equally bad. People can nuance it....but if it were me...I'd dump either one first chance I get.