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Post#181 » by reelsgm » Thu Mar 2, 2017 12:20 pm

Wire to Wire win...
... we've had 9 other wins but for the first time all season, we were Never behind - that says something about this Win.
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Post#182 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Mar 2, 2017 12:24 pm

Couldn't watch the whole game but I'm glad they got the win.

I'm pretty sure Lin's presence has really challenged the rest of the guys to constantly attack. Brook usually doesn't try to drive through people and yet we saw him demand the ball against Labissiere and drive him into the basket.

The last two practices have been the most lively and contentious. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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Post#183 » by KingsMilz » Thu Mar 2, 2017 12:51 pm

Love LeVerts upside and love Quincy wish the Kings drafted LeVert and kept Acy but o well glad at least you guys got em.

Jeremy and Brook just destroyed the Kings every time they went out of the game the Kings would make a run
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Post#184 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 2, 2017 2:04 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:Couldn't watch the whole game but I'm glad they got the win.

I'm pretty sure Lin's presence has really challenged the rest of the guys to constantly attack. Brook usually doesn't try to drive through people and yet we saw him demand the ball against Labissiere and drive him into the basket.

The last two practices have been the most lively and contentious. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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the aggression by the Nets was refreshing.

It got dicey at the end, young and marginal players making idiotic plays, but i'll take the win because they played assertive for 48 minutes as a team. LeVert, Lin and RHJ were excellent defensively and set the tone. We need that to happen consistently. If the Nets play hard defense, they will always have a puncher's chance.

Dinwiddie needs to be shown how he acted at the end of this game though. He played scared as hell. inexcusable. There is no way Ty Lawson should have pressured him into a timeout off of single coverage. A good pro PG can easily create space and separation in that scenario.
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Post#185 » by Prokorov » Thu Mar 2, 2017 2:05 pm

Thats a win boys... we win again tomorrow and thats 2 in row. win one after that... and thats called a win streak. it has happened before

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Re: GT: Brooklyn Nets @ Sacramento Kings - Wednesday, 3/1/17 10:30 PM. 

Post#187 » by CalamityX12 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 2:37 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:i have serious doubts we'll get to double digit wins... lol!

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Post#188 » by Born_Ready » Thu Mar 2, 2017 2:55 pm

Prokorov wrote:Thats a win boys... we win again tomorrow and thats 2 in row. win one after that... and thats called a win streak. it has happened before

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Post#189 » by Born_Ready » Thu Mar 2, 2017 3:00 pm

I know this has probably be mentioned somewhere, but what's the word on Nicholson and McDaniels?

You can't tell me the complexity of this offense is the reason because Taj Gibson and McDermott can be thrown into the Thunderstorm and fit right in after 1 practice.

What gives?
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Post#190 » by Jkim18 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 3:14 pm

Born_Ready wrote:I know this has probably be mentioned somewhere, but what's the word on Nicholson and McDaniels?

You can't tell me the complexity of this offense is the reason because Taj Gibson and McDermott can be thrown into the Thunderstorm and fit right in after 1 practice.

What gives?


I feel the same way. And I'm probably being hyperbolic here but it's like the most Nets thing to do. Remember back in 2005 we claimed Elden Campbell off waivers because we desperately needed help at center? But nawww Lawrence Frank didn't play him and Campbell eventually wanted out and got cut.
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Post#191 » by 624 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 4:13 pm

I like the Dinwiddie/Whitehead combo off the bench. Harris is a good fit at the 3 with them as well. Skikpatrick has gotten so bad he can't even be trusted on the floor on either end.

Now if only we can replace Foye with a competent SG.

Wish RHJ could've gotten more minutes

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Post#192 » by Trader_Joe » Thu Mar 2, 2017 4:59 pm

I know it was only one game, and it was against the Kings, but last night made me believe we are not extremely far from being a competitive team (30ish wins) with some adjustments.

Lin and Brook do work together. They have had such little time together but they have the best chemistry of any two players by far. LeVert in the starting unit makes us better as well. He has such a mature game that translates well to the starting unit.

Now, here is where things get dicey.
RHJ at PF. He has done fairly well at PF, but he was having trouble with the size of Skal on the glass and only had 2 of his own. The good thing is, we won the rebounding battle regardless. His long arms and quickness is disruptive against bigs especially when they catch the ball on the perimeter. Offensively, it does mask his poor outside shooting some, but it also makes him more aggressive and take more bad shots and wild drives. I guess for now I have to figure he is our PF given how Atkinson views him. It will be interesting to see if he comes in next year with added mass to play PF full time.

If he is at PF, we need a complimentary shooter on the wing as we can't have two non-shooters. LeVert will man one wing position and the other needs to go to a guy who can shoot and ideally has length to help on the glass. Who is that guy? Not sure we have him, other than Quincy Acy, but again he is viewed as a PF. I would like to see Acy get minutes though, so he might be best at SF.

In addition to the expiring Foye, I want to see us get rid of Kilpatrick and Hamilton. Harris can go too for all I care. He's not as one dimensional as Kilpatrick, but close.

Who to target?
RFA's are what did us in last year, but I think there could be some good ones this. I'd love Otto Porter but Washington is keeping him no matter what. KCP I am not as intrigued by, but I think Detroit would rather unload Reggie Jackson and Drummond over not matching any offer on KCP.

Some I do think are obtainable:
Kelly Olynyk - We will always need a stretch big and Boston will probably not match a decent offer since they have bigger plans. I think he's a much better Hamilton who actually can rebound and has some toughness.
Alex Len - huge, can rebound and block shots. Young and improving and with a lot of big men and draft picks maybe the Suns don't place a high priority on him.
Tony Snell - Can shoot the 3 but doesn't offer much on offense. I think his D is decent and he has good length tho.

If Lin misses time, I think this season showed we need a veteran back-up. I would see if KA can use his Atlanta connection and target Shelvin Mack as a back-up. Down year so hopefully he can some super cheap and rebound. He's still young.

With our picks, we need to take BPA, but one of those needs to be a project big since we traded away our only one in CMC. I don't follow NCAA well enough to know who that is. I hope we keep our 2 first rounders and if anything add the Boston #2 and Cash to move up with 1 of them.

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LeVert / Whitehead
Snell / Acy / McDaniels
RHJ / Booker
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Our FA signings wouldn't cost much, which is good. I want to see us carry as much flexibility into the season as we can. Not a PO team but I think we're targeting some decent players and can be competitive. We also can acquire assets through trades.
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Re: GT: Brooklyn Nets @ Sacramento Kings - Wednesday, 3/1/17 10:30 PM. 

Post#193 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 2, 2017 5:03 pm

Born_Ready wrote:I know this has probably be mentioned somewhere, but what's the word on Nicholson and McDaniels?

You can't tell me the complexity of this offense is the reason because Taj Gibson and McDermott can be thrown into the Thunderstorm and fit right in after 1 practice.

What gives?


Not that hard when the offensive scheme is wait til Russell passes you the rock :wink:

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Post#194 » by Keith Van Horn » Thu Mar 2, 2017 5:25 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:I know it was only one game, and it was against the Kings, but last night made me believe we are not extremely far from being a competitive team (30ish wins) with some adjustments.

Lin and Brook do work together. They have had such little time together but they have the best chemistry of any two players by far. LeVert in the starting unit makes us better as well. He has such a mature game that translates well to the starting unit.

Now, here is where things get dicey.
RHJ at PF. He has done fairly well at PF, but he was having trouble with the size of Skal on the glass and only had 2 of his own. The good thing is, we won the rebounding battle regardless. His long arms and quickness is disruptive against bigs especially when they catch the ball on the perimeter. Offensively, it does mask his poor outside shooting some, but it also makes him more aggressive and take more bad shots and wild drives. I guess for now I have to figure he is our PF given how Atkinson views him. It will be interesting to see if he comes in next year with added mass to play PF full time.

If he is at PF, we need a complimentary shooter on the wing as we can't have two non-shooters. LeVert will man one wing position and the other needs to go to a guy who can shoot and ideally has length to help on the glass. Who is that guy? Not sure we have him, other than Quincy Acy, but again he is viewed as a PF. I would like to see Acy get minutes though, so he might be best at SF.

In addition to the expiring Foye, I want to see us get rid of Kilpatrick and Hamilton. Harris can go too for all I care. He's not as one dimensional as Kilpatrick, but close.

Who to target?
RFA's are what did us in last year, but I think there could be some good ones this. I'd love Otto Porter but Washington is keeping him no matter what. KCP I am not as intrigued by, but I think Detroit would rather unload Reggie Jackson and Drummond over not matching any offer on KCP.

Some I do think are obtainable:
Kelly Olynyk - We will always need a stretch big and Boston will probably not match a decent offer since they have bigger plans. I think he's a much better Hamilton who actually can rebound and has some toughness.
Alex Len - huge, can rebound and block shots. Young and improving and with a lot of big men and draft picks maybe the Suns don't place a high priority on him.
Tony Snell - Can shoot the 3 but doesn't offer much on offense. I think his D is decent and he has good length tho.

If Lin misses time, I think this season showed we need a veteran back-up. I would see if KA can use his Atlanta connection and target Shelvin Mack as a back-up. Down year so hopefully he can some super cheap and rebound. He's still young.

With our picks, we need to take BPA, but one of those needs to be a project big since we traded away our only one in CMC. I don't follow NCAA well enough to know who that is. I hope we keep our 2 first rounders and if anything add the Boston #2 and Cash to move up with 1 of them.

Lin / Dinwiddie / S.Mack
LeVert / Whitehead
Snell / Acy / McDaniels
RHJ / Booker
Lopez / Olynyk / O'Quinn
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BOS #1

Our FA signings wouldn't cost much, which is good. I want to see us carry as much flexibility into the season as we can. Not a PO team but I think we're targeting some decent players and can be competitive. We also can acquire assets through trades.


I like the thinking. We should really be targeting some guard types though... like George Hill and Jeff Teague, especially if we're keeping lopez. Get RHJ's pick and roll game to improve where he lacks in the shooting department, and run Levert in the starting unit with them. Lin/Teague(or Hill)/Levert/ RHJ/Lopez. Not the best, and I actually think we should draft an upgrade at PF and move RHJ to the bench.

I also think we should be praying for Skil's value to go up at the end of the year and try to send him and the Boston swap pick to move up a few spots... maybe with OKC, ATL, a team like that


Glad to see us win. I had woken up at 1am to check and was happy to go back to sleep after seeing the results. Congrats to Brook too for passing 10k points and getting to #2 on the all time Nets list. Seems like he could get to #1 by the end of the season.
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Post#195 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Mar 2, 2017 5:32 pm

RHJ needs to keep working on that corner three. He knocked down a nice clean look last night, i think it was his only shot that he hit from the field. the rest were FTs.

He had an off night on the glass and efficiency on offense wise despite the FTs, but I thought he played good defense. He's got to get stronger though, that kid Sacto has at PF he was matched up with bodied him a few times early on in the game.

I was averse to it at first but as long as he can get stronger and can keep working on his shot, I like the idea of RHJ at PF because it gives us some serious versatility defensively with Lin, LeVert, and RHJ all being able to swarm on D. Could be a good look for next year barring the acquisition of another wing.
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Post#196 » by All Nets » Thu Mar 2, 2017 7:07 pm

If RHJ can actually hit the 3 at any decent rate (just anything above 30%), it'll do wonders for the offense going forward. Having Lopez and RHJ at C/PF being able to stretch out the defense is a huge deal when you have cutters like Harris or LeVert and Dinwiddie/Lin finding them.

Also the 1 on 3 fastbreaks by Booker and RHJ have to stop. Seriously, we're up by 6-8 points in crunch time, why are pushing the pace to put up bad shots?
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Post#197 » by ghostowl » Thu Mar 2, 2017 8:21 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:I know it was only one game, and it was against the Kings, but last night made me believe we are not extremely far from being a competitive team (30ish wins) with some adjustments.

Lin and Brook do work together. They have had such little time together but they have the best chemistry of any two players by far. LeVert in the starting unit makes us better as well. He has such a mature game that translates well to the starting unit.

Now, here is where things get dicey.
RHJ at PF. He has done fairly well at PF, but he was having trouble with the size of Skal on the glass and only had 2 of his own. The good thing is, we won the rebounding battle regardless. His long arms and quickness is disruptive against bigs especially when they catch the ball on the perimeter. Offensively, it does mask his poor outside shooting some, but it also makes him more aggressive and take more bad shots and wild drives. I guess for now I have to figure he is our PF given how Atkinson views him. It will be interesting to see if he comes in next year with added mass to play PF full time.

If he is at PF, we need a complimentary shooter on the wing as we can't have two non-shooters. LeVert will man one wing position and the other needs to go to a guy who can shoot and ideally has length to help on the glass. Who is that guy? Not sure we have him, other than Quincy Acy, but again he is viewed as a PF. I would like to see Acy get minutes though, so he might be best at SF.

In addition to the expiring Foye, I want to see us get rid of Kilpatrick and Hamilton. Harris can go too for all I care. He's not as one dimensional as Kilpatrick, but close.

Who to target?
RFA's are what did us in last year, but I think there could be some good ones this. I'd love Otto Porter but Washington is keeping him no matter what. KCP I am not as intrigued by, but I think Detroit would rather unload Reggie Jackson and Drummond over not matching any offer on KCP.

Some I do think are obtainable:
Kelly Olynyk - We will always need a stretch big and Boston will probably not match a decent offer since they have bigger plans. I think he's a much better Hamilton who actually can rebound and has some toughness.
Alex Len - huge, can rebound and block shots. Young and improving and with a lot of big men and draft picks maybe the Suns don't place a high priority on him.
Tony Snell - Can shoot the 3 but doesn't offer much on offense. I think his D is decent and he has good length tho.

If Lin misses time, I think this season showed we need a veteran back-up. I would see if KA can use his Atlanta connection and target Shelvin Mack as a back-up. Down year so hopefully he can some super cheap and rebound. He's still young.

With our picks, we need to take BPA, but one of those needs to be a project big since we traded away our only one in CMC. I don't follow NCAA well enough to know who that is. I hope we keep our 2 first rounders and if anything add the Boston #2 and Cash to move up with 1 of them.

Lin / Dinwiddie / S.Mack
LeVert / Whitehead
Snell / Acy / McDaniels
RHJ / Booker
Lopez / Olynyk / O'Quinn
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WAS #1
BOS #1

Our FA signings wouldn't cost much, which is good. I want to see us carry as much flexibility into the season as we can. Not a PO team but I think we're targeting some decent players and can be competitive. We also can acquire assets through trades.


We need a legit SF. Acy can replace Booker since he's a better shooter and less selfish, while at least equal in defense / rebounding, and RHJ is absolutely horrid. I legitimately cringe everytime he has the ball.

Starters should be:

Lin
Levert
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Acy
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Post#198 » by Yit » Sun Mar 5, 2017 7:44 am

Tracking players performance vs the Kings 1 mar 2017

By GCP
Lopez - 44
Lin - 34
CLV - 31
Whitehead - 25
Foye - 24
Booker - 14
RHJ - 13
Dinwiddie - 10
Acy - 10
Harris - 7
Kilpatrick - 3
Hamilton - (-1)

Best offensive effort = Booker (11), best defensive effort = none above 10

Opponents GCP (for comparison)
T.Law 33
T.Eva 28
B.Hie 24
A.Aff 22
S.Lab 20
D.Col 18
WCS 16
A.Tol 10
BML 3
K.Kou 2

Best 5 players average comparisons Nets (32) vs Kings (25)
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Post#199 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Mar 5, 2017 4:18 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Couldn't watch the whole game but I'm glad they got the win.

I'm pretty sure Lin's presence has really challenged the rest of the guys to constantly attack. Brook usually doesn't try to drive through people and yet we saw him demand the ball against Labissiere and drive him into the basket.

The last two practices have been the most lively and contentious. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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the aggression by the Nets was refreshing.

It got dicey at the end, young and marginal players making idiotic plays, but i'll take the win because they played assertive for 48 minutes as a team. LeVert, Lin and RHJ were excellent defensively and set the tone. We need that to happen consistently. If the Nets play hard defense, they will always have a puncher's chance.

Dinwiddie needs to be shown how he acted at the end of this game though. He played scared as hell. inexcusable. There is no way Ty Lawson should have pressured him into a timeout off of single coverage. A good pro PG can easily create space and separation in that scenario.

Dinwiddie started being aggressive a few games ago. Idk what happened.

Side note: When I saw the Kings lineup, I forgot that Lawson was still in the league. How the mighty have fallen...

He is a player that Net Sentence rightfully called out as putting up inflated numbers due to Denver's thin air when I and others were saying that he's a good player.
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Post#200 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Mar 5, 2017 4:28 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:Couldn't watch the whole game but I'm glad they got the win.

I'm pretty sure Lin's presence has really challenged the rest of the guys to constantly attack. Brook usually doesn't try to drive through people and yet we saw him demand the ball against Labissiere and drive him into the basket.

The last two practices have been the most lively and contentious. I don't think that's a coincidence.

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the aggression by the Nets was refreshing.

It got dicey at the end, young and marginal players making idiotic plays, but i'll take the win because they played assertive for 48 minutes as a team. LeVert, Lin and RHJ were excellent defensively and set the tone. We need that to happen consistently. If the Nets play hard defense, they will always have a puncher's chance.

Dinwiddie needs to be shown how he acted at the end of this game though. He played scared as hell. inexcusable. There is no way Ty Lawson should have pressured him into a timeout off of single coverage. A good pro PG can easily create space and separation in that scenario.

Dinwiddie started being aggressive a few games ago. Idk what happened.

Side note: When I saw the Kings lineup, I forgot that Lawson was still in the league. How the mighty have fallen...

He is a player that Net Sentence rightfully called out as putting up inflated numbers due to Denver's thin air when I and others were saying that he's a good player.


Lawson's attitude and serious issues (I am sorry, if you are pulled over for multiple DUIs, at that point alcoholism isn't a valid excuse...you are just a horrible human being) were my biggest knocks on him.

The all star break is what happened. All of Dinwiddie's momentum just stopped and now he's back to playing scared.
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