2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[bondom34]

$6 mil expiring? I'd take that.

Yeah and TJ only makes a little under 6. Was tempted to post on the trade board, but no clue how Miami values TJ.

I didn't realize Johnson's contract was structured like that, I thought he was making like 16 per year. Yeah, I'd do that.

Oh crap, you're right. ESPN's trade machine shows it at 6 mil, it's not.

Yeah nevermind he's not worth that at all. It's set up at like 6/6/19/19. Those last 2 years.

[spearsy23]

Yeah and TJ only makes a little under 6. Was tempted to post on the trade board, but no clue how Miami values TJ.

I didn't realize Johnson's contract was structured like that, I thought he was making like 16 per year. Yeah, I'd do that.

Oh crap, you're right. ESPN's trade machine shows it at 6 mil, it's not.

Yeah nevermind he's not worth that at all. It's set up at like 6/6/19/19. Those last 2 years.

He's still cheaper than Oladipo for the same production and it could keep us out of the tax next year so no repeater tax.

[bondom34]

I didn't realize Johnson's contract was structured like that, I thought he was making like 16 per year. Yeah, I'd do that.

Oh crap, you're right. ESPN's trade machine shows it at 6 mil, it's not.

Yeah nevermind he's not worth that at all. It's set up at like 6/6/19/19. Those last 2 years.

He's still cheaper than Oladipo for the same production and it could keep us out of the tax next year so no repeater tax.

Yeah that's true. I don't know how I'd feel, I'd have to see if the money worked long term. If so, sure. He'd fit in well and is still pretty young if you have to keep Kanter.

[Pillendreher]

Oladipo just isn't that good, his production has been extremely meh. Trade him for Wilson chandler and you lose nothing.

Wilson Chandler is a very mediocre player already past his 'prime' whereas Oladipo is gonna turn 25 this year. Hell, you're making my point for me by saying he hasn't been that great. I agree - he has underperformed. That's why you bank oh his development and potential.

He hasn't been very good and that's your reasoning for keeping him? That's why you trade him for a better fit that's cheaper.

There's a difference between a player underperforming and just simply being medicore.

[spearsy23]

Wilson Chandler is a very mediocre player already past his 'prime' whereas Oladipo is gonna turn 25 this year. Hell, you're making my point for me by saying he hasn't been that great. I agree - he has underperformed. That's why you bank oh his development and potential.

He hasn't been very good and that's your reasoning for keeping him? That's why you trade him for a better fit that's cheaper.

There's a difference between a player underperforming and just simply being medicore.

This is who he has been his entire career, he's not underperforming. His per 36's are almost the same as the last three seasons, expecting any significant amount of growth at this point is being married to the scouting report from the draft.

[ThunderBolt]

He hasn't even broke 30 points this year. It doesn't appear that's going to happen any time soon since he has the back of an old man.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Dipo is a good player. He is not a star. He's not a guy you bring in to get you from pretender to contender. He's a guy you bring in to replace Waiters to get you over the top. That is exactly what happened. Then FA killed the plan of Dipo being the 6th man. Dipo is who he is and that is a good player, but not a great player. He isn't a top 20 player, but he is probably a top 50 and definitely a top 75.

The problem is that if you trade Dipo you are trading him to a win now team that is wanting to give prospects and picks and not win now players. So you're not going to get a return that helps you until after Russ is gone or declining. OKC either has to ride out what they have, pay the tax to keep Taj and Roberson next year, be repeaters after that, assuming Russ stays and hope that there are a lot of injuries ahead of them. The only other option, that doesn't include trading Russ, is to hope that Russ doesn't care about winning and then you can dump what is needed to stay out of the tax and Russ will stick around even if he never wins another playoff game.

[SvenniSterki]

I think Oladipo is better suited to starting with 2nd unit as he is kinda a better player with the ball than without. Playing next to Russ you need to produce without the ball in your hands. Lets just hope he gets better there and maybe he will be the 1st or 2nd option when Russ rests.

I think part of him not playing upto what we think is his potential is that maybe the coaching staff isnt using him in the way that benefits his production and adding that he needs to play better without the ball, I only see him improving. How much? Either we will find out or he will get traded before we ever know.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I agree with Pille here, but just a random one, would Miami consider VO for Tyler Johnson and McBob? Still another young guy, and they dump some bad salary, and it doesn't downgrade too much (though I admit I like TJ a lot).

Riley wouldn't waste max cap space on Dipo. Dragic, Dipo and Whiteside isn't a big 3 that can do anything. The Heat will get Bosh's contract off the books for medical reasons and then chase a max guy this off-season. He'll try to convince kd that he can get him a ring like he did LeBron along with chasing Hayward, Blake and others.

[ThunderBolt]

Dipo is a good player. He is not a star. He's not a guy you bring in to get you from pretender to contender. He's a guy you bring in to replace Waiters to get you over the top. That is exactly what happened. Then FA killed the plan of Dipo being the 6th man. Dipo is who he is and that is a good player, but not a great player. He isn't a top 20 player, but he is probably a top 50 and definitely a top 75.

The problem is that if you trade Dipo you are trading him to a win now team that is wanting to give prospects and picks and not win now players. So you're not going to get a return that helps you until after Russ is gone or declining. OKC either has to ride out what they have, pay the tax to keep Taj and Roberson next year, be repeaters after that, assuming Russ stays and hope that there are a lot of injuries ahead of them. The only other option, that doesn't include trading Russ, is to hope that Russ doesn't care about winning and then you can dump what is needed to stay out of the tax and Russ will stick around even if he never wins another playoff game.

Victor isn't significantly better than he was his rookie year. Its not beyond the realm of possibilities to think that a rookie can come close to replacing his production.

[spearsy23]

I agree with Pille here, but just a random one, would Miami consider VO for Tyler Johnson and McBob? Still another young guy, and they dump some bad salary, and it doesn't downgrade too much (though I admit I like TJ a lot).

Riley wouldn't waste max cap space on Dipo. Dragic, Dipo and Whiteside isn't a big 3 that can do anything. The Heat will get Bosh's contract off the books for medical reasons and then chase a max guy this off-season. He'll try to convince kd that he can get him a ring like he did LeBron along with chasing Hayward, Blake and others.

None of those guys are going to Miami when they're already in better situations and Boston is also chasing them.

[bondom34]

Dipo is a good player. He is not a star. He's not a guy you bring in to get you from pretender to contender. He's a guy you bring in to replace Waiters to get you over the top. That is exactly what happened. Then FA killed the plan of Dipo being the 6th man. Dipo is who he is and that is a good player, but not a great player. He isn't a top 20 player, but he is probably a top 50 and definitely a top 75.

The problem is that if you trade Dipo you are trading him to a win now team that is wanting to give prospects and picks and not win now players. So you're not going to get a return that helps you until after Russ is gone or declining. OKC either has to ride out what they have, pay the tax to keep Taj and Roberson next year, be repeaters after that, assuming Russ stays and hope that there are a lot of injuries ahead of them. The only other option, that doesn't include trading Russ, is to hope that Russ doesn't care about winning and then you can dump what is needed to stay out of the tax and Russ will stick around even if he never wins another playoff game.

Victor isn't significantly better than he was his rookie year. Its not beyond the realm of possibilities to think that a rookie can come close to replacing his production.

This is a really big undersell. He's not a star but he's a well above average SG, probably top 10 at worst, and he's certainly improved. He doesn't fit perfectly but he's a really good player.

[Andre Roberstan]

I agree with Pille here, but just a random one, would Miami consider VO for Tyler Johnson and McBob? Still another young guy, and they dump some bad salary, and it doesn't downgrade too much (though I admit I like TJ a lot).

Riley wouldn't waste max cap space on Dipo. Dragic, Dipo and Whiteside isn't a big 3 that can do anything. The Heat will get Bosh's contract off the books for medical reasons and then chase a max guy this off-season. He'll try to convince kd that he can get him a ring like he did LeBron along with chasing Hayward, Blake and others.

None of those guys are going to Miami when they're already in better situations and Boston is also chasing them.

I get that, but also...never bet against Riley.

[spearsy23]

Riley wouldn't waste max cap space on Dipo. Dragic, Dipo and Whiteside isn't a big 3 that can do anything. The Heat will get Bosh's contract off the books for medical reasons and then chase a max guy this off-season. He'll try to convince kd that he can get him a ring like he did LeBron along with chasing Hayward, Blake and others.

None of those guys are going to Miami when they're already in better situations and Boston is also chasing them.

I get that, but also...never bet against Riley.

Eh, lebron and Bosh only went there because he had Wade. There's no wade on that roster.

[ThunderBolt]

Dipo is a good player. He is not a star. He's not a guy you bring in to get you from pretender to contender. He's a guy you bring in to replace Waiters to get you over the top. That is exactly what happened. Then FA killed the plan of Dipo being the 6th man. Dipo is who he is and that is a good player, but not a great player. He isn't a top 20 player, but he is probably a top 50 and definitely a top 75.

The problem is that if you trade Dipo you are trading him to a win now team that is wanting to give prospects and picks and not win now players. So you're not going to get a return that helps you until after Russ is gone or declining. OKC either has to ride out what they have, pay the tax to keep Taj and Roberson next year, be repeaters after that, assuming Russ stays and hope that there are a lot of injuries ahead of them. The only other option, that doesn't include trading Russ, is to hope that Russ doesn't care about winning and then you can dump what is needed to stay out of the tax and Russ will stick around even if he never wins another playoff game.

Victor isn't significantly better than he was his rookie year. Its not beyond the realm of possibilities to think that a rookie can come close to replacing his production.

This is a really big undersell. He's not a star but he's a well above average SG, probably top 10 at worst, and he's certainly improved. He doesn't fit perfectly but he's a really good player.

Look at his numbers. The only improvement was between year one and year two, and even that wasn't substantial. This year he's up in a couple of areas and down in a few others. You can call it an undersell but I call it statistics. Hes never really improved. if we were able to move up in the draft, I don't think it's that crazy to think his replacement needs three years to do what he's doing now.

[bondom34]

Victor isn't significantly better than he was his rookie year. Its not beyond the realm of possibilities to think that a rookie can come close to replacing his production.

This is a really big undersell. He's not a star but he's a well above average SG, probably top 10 at worst, and he's certainly improved. He doesn't fit perfectly but he's a really good player.

Look at his numbers. The only improvement was between year one and year two, and even that wasn't substantial. This year he's up in a couple of areas and down in a few others. You can call it an undersell but I call it statistics. Hes never really improved. if we were able to move up in the draft, I don't think it's that crazy to think his replacement needs three years to do what he's doing now.

Using BPM alone he went from -.8 to 1.8 last year. Then this year dropped. He's in a new role, and still ranks 15th among SGs inRPM. Thats a big underell using statistics unless all you want is PPG.

[bondom34]

None of those guys are going to Miami when they're already in better situations and Boston is also chasing them.

I get that, but also...never bet against Riley.

Eh, lebron and Bosh only went there because he had Wade. There's no wade on that roster.

[Old Man Game]

Generally I bet against 25 year olds making significant improvements. Vic essentially is what he is at this point. Nice piece. Not much more than that.

[bondom34]

Sure, not a star, but a darn good starter on a contract about to be at least the norm.

[spearsy23]

I get that, but also...never bet against Riley.

Eh, lebron and Bosh only went there because he had Wade. There's no wade on that roster.

Kobe isn't going to beg guys to join his superteam