offseason moves

[anothermagicfan]

OK. I know it's early but I'm already looking forward to the offseason changes. As it stands now this is who's on the books for next year as per hoopshype:
Bismack - 17 million
Evan-17 million
Nik-12.25 million
T ross-10.5 million
DJ-7.25 million
CJ-5 million
Ag-5.5 million
Mario-4 million
Elfrid-3.3 million
Zimmerman-1 million

For a grand total of about 82.9 million. The cap is projected to be around 102 million for next year leaving us about 20 million to spend in free agency without including the draft picks this summer.
With this group I feel like the 3 biggest weakness in order are starting small forward, backup point gaurd, and backup power forward. I'm on the band wagon that with our pick we should try to get iether Josh jackson, Jonathan isaac, or Jayson tatum. I don't have much preference for any of those 3 because I don't know anything other than what I've read online about them. Then I would like to see us use our second first round pick to try and upgrade the backup point gaurd or power forward. Then try to upgrade the other spot with free agency. I don't have any clue who I want to get to improve the point or the power forward spot yet. There's still a couple months to think about it.
So here's my question.

How would you use the draft picks and free agency to improve the team over the summer? Don't be afraid to throw out some trade ideas. But please for the love of God can we do our best to not turn this thread into another fire Rob fire Alex fire frank fire devos thread.

[magicfan4life88]

I don't know how much he will cost or if we will have the money for him but Vogel loves George Hill, you think we go after him? How do you guys feel about Hill? Most of you want a replacement at the 1, he good enough?

[darthmerrick]

I think it will depend on who we get in the draft. I think first plan is to throw some big assets at Paul George or Jimmy Butler and swing for the fence. Henny won't get that done so...

If we get either of Issac, Jackson, Tatum in the draft we are going to target a PG. I think we will also trade either Biyombo or Vucevic on draft night to free up some cap more cap room. I think DJ or Elf will also be moved on draft night depending on if we select a PG.

PG targets:
Lowery, Holiday, Teague, George Hill, Patrick Mills and than make a play for a solid bigman Patrick Patterson, Amir Johnson, Taj Gibson, N. Mirotic, Illyasova? You may even see management get a meeting with Blake Griffin that goes nowhere.

So that would give us:
PG Free Agent, Augustin
SG T. Ross, Fournier
SF Crowder, Issac, Hezonja
PF Gordon, Amir Johnson
C Biyombo, I. Rabb, Zimmerman


if we land one of the elite PG's Fultz, Ball, Smith. Trade Fournier and Vuc for Crowder and fillers. Than maybe bring back JJ Reddick?

PG D. Smith, Augustin or Elf, Watson
SG T. Ross, JJ Reddick
SF Crowder, Hezonja
PF Gordon, Miles Bridges
C Nikola Mirotic, Zimmerman, Jeff Whithey

Hard to nail down who we keep and trade between draft night and start of 2017-2018, but I think we'll look very different next year.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I think it will depend on who we get in the draft. I think first plan is to throw some big assets at Paul George or Jimmy Butler and swing for the fence. Henny won't get that done so...

If we get either of Issac, Jackson, Tatum in the draft we are going to target a PG. I think we will also trade either Biyombo or Vucevic on draft night to free up some cap more cap room. I think DJ or Elf will also be moved on draft night depending on if we select a PG.

PG targets:
Lowery, Holiday, Teague, George Hill, Patrick Mills and than make a play for a solid bigman Patrick Patterson, Amir Johnson, Taj Gibson, N. Mirotic, Illyasova? You may even see management get a meeting with Blake Griffin that goes nowhere.

So that would give us:
PG Free Agent, Augustin
SG T. Ross, Fournier
SF Crowder, Issac, Hezonja
PF Gordon, Amir Johnson
C Biyombo, I. Rabb, Zimmerman


if we land one of the elite PG's Fultz, Ball, Smith. Trade Fournier and Vuc for Crowder and fillers. Than maybe bring back JJ Reddick?

PG D. Smith, Augustin or Elf, Watson
SG T. Ross, JJ Reddick
SF Crowder, Hezonja
PF Gordon, Miles Bridges
C Nikola Mirotic, Zimmerman, Jeff Whithey

Hard to nail down who we keep and trade between draft night and start of 2017-2018, but I think we'll look very different next year.

JJ is easily going to command 20+ mil a year and will start for any team he goes to ESPECIALLY over Ross

[Viper1500]

This team needs a PG and SF, clearly. My somewhat realistic dream scenario would be drafting Smith and then having Boston trade for butler, with us sending assets to Chicago and obtaining Crowder(Payton+future first(top 8 protected).

Smith
Fournier
Crowder
Gordon
Vucevic

That's a fun team to watch


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[Baka_La Flame]

This team needs a PG and SF, clearly. My somewhat realistic dream scenario would be drafting Smith and then having Boston trade for butler, with us sending assets to Chicago and obtaining Crowder(Payton+future first(top 8 protected).

Smith
Fournier
Crowder
Gordon
Vucevic

That's a fun team to watch


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Pass. DSJ is good but we need to swing for a star. I would rather draft Isaac/Jackson/Tatum.

[SHAQ32]

Need to move Fournier, slide over Ross to the 2 and acquire a 3

Or bring him off the bench as a 6th man

[Hadvar]

Too late to fix many things,at this point would let almost everything the way it is,drafting possibly a SF at the draft hoping he could give 10-15 minutes immediately from the bench,replacing jeff"disaster"green; maybe searching a deal for hezonja if possible,just if the things are really mess with him.

This core gonna play together until the end of the year,vogel has to finish 8th next year,no more excuses for him too

[cedric76]

Draft day trade with Indiana for pg13.
Our 2 picks +ep for PG
FA sign George hill
FA sign min vet PF +pg

Hill . dj
Ross.evan .Mario
PG. Ross . Mario
AG. PG .Mario
Vuc.biz.zimm

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[drsd]

With this group I feel like the 3 biggest weakness in order are starting small forward, backup point guard, and backup power forward.

I totally agree that Orlando has been miserable at start SF this year and that with Ibaka gone the Magic now has poor depth at PF. I do not agree about backup PG. Augustin is better than what most teams would cart out.

As for cap space, correcting starting small forward probably involves shipping off either Ross or Fournier.

BUT: all roster slots can be upgraded. If there is any opportunity to replace any starter, then the team must move in that direction. The coming off season cannot and should not be about replacing the weakest links; it should be about finding a couple players to build the whole team around. That said, the best "available" stars are Paul George and Jimmy Butler. Either slots nicely to the SF needs.

I still think Paul George needs to be approached. He is now disgruntled, and if the Lakers cannot poach him, then why not Orlando?
Fournier and the Magics higher 1st and net year's 1st for George. This then allows the other draft picks to all be BPA to fill out the bench on the cheap.

Drafting out by NBAdraft.net leaves (Luke Kennard-SG, Tony Bradley-PF, PJ Dozier-PG) fits all 3rd stringer needs. This allows ~20M to fill in the bench on two 10M a year players (the new MME-type).


Payton/Augustin/Dozier
Ross/FA signing/Kennard
George/Hezoja
Gordon/FA signing/Bradley
Vučević/Biyambo/Zimmerman

That is a playoff team.


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[Jiwol]

OK. I know it's early but I'm already looking forward to the offseason changes. As it stands now this is who's on the books for next year as per hoopshype:
Bismack - 17 million
Evan-17 million
Nik-12.25 million
T ross-10.5 million
DJ-7.25 million
CJ-5 million
Ag-5.5 million
Mario-4 million
Elfrid-3.3 million
Zimmerman-1 million

For a grand total of about 82.9 million. The cap is projected to be around 102 million for next year leaving us about 20 million to spend in free agency without including the draft picks this summer.

We can renounce CJ's contract, it's only 1 mil guaranteed, which gives Magic another 4 million to spend. It would be 24 million then. I'd do everything to include Bismack and/or Fournier in a trade for SF star - Butler or George preferably. Might throw in WORC/Mario/Elf/DJ. Draft PG with a lottery pick and go from there. As for the free agency, my preferable choice is Otto Porter but I think his off the limits hence trying to trade for some other SF. Don't have a clue who else might be available.

I honestly don't like this team and our possibilities going forward. Roster is poorly constructed, there are plenty voids to fill. It screams for complete overhaul. Everybody should be available for the right price. As for our young "stars" we have PG who can't shoot for **** and is as inconsistent as it humanly possible, PF who can't shoot for **** but is delusional enough to think he's gonna participate in 3-point contest, and foreign kid who thought he was a star until he stepped on the floor in the NBA and then the charm was gone. Evan, Vuc, Ross and Bismack are suited the best as a bench players on a good team, DJ and CJ are journeymen, Zimm in end of the bench player. Pathetic waste of money this roster is.

[anothermagicfan]

Has anyone else noticed elfrid gets a ton of criticism for being one of the lowest paid players on the team?

[Jiwol]

Has anyone else noticed elfrid gets a ton of criticism for being one of the lowest paid players on the team?

He's on a rookie scale. How much do you think he should earn? Scary thing is his contract is up for extension soon. And then what?

[axl_c_cool]

The reality is no matter what we want it's clear we are in a 'win now' mode, Vogal is calling shots, and Martins will back him. Here's how the summer will play out in my opinion


Draft 5th pick: Isaac/Tatum
Draft 25th pick: Power Forward

Free Agent: George Hill


Opening Day Roster

Hill/Payton/Augustine
Fournier/Hezonja
Ross/Isaac
Gordon/Zimmerman/1st round pick
Vucevic/Biyombo


We might sign some rotation players like Rudez and Wilcox back, that's the roster I'm expecting to see. I doubt we trade Vucevic to move up, they don't want rookies starting. They will want Vogal's guy Hill to run the offence and make the playoffs next year, that is what we're looking at. Personally, I want to see us tank with (Assuming we sign Hill)


Hill/Payton
Ross/Fournier
Hezonja/Isaac
Gordon/#25
Vucevic/Biyombo

[tiderulz]

I don't know how much he will cost or if we will have the money for him but Vogel loves George Hill, you think we go after him? How do you guys feel about Hill? Most of you want a replacement at the 1, he good enough?

Hill turns 31 this summer. I wouldnt be opposed to bringing him on, but not on an automatic max-style contract.

[tiderulz]

With this group I feel like the 3 biggest weakness in order are starting small forward, backup point guard, and backup power forward.

I totally agree that Orlando has been miserable at start SF this year and that with Ibaka gone the Magic now has poor depth at PF. I do not agree about backup PG. Augustin is better than what most teams would cart out.

As for cap space, correcting starting small forward probably involves shipping off either Ross or Fournier.

BUT: all roster slots can be upgraded. If there is any opportunity to replace any starter, then the team must move in that direction. The coming off season cannot and should not be about replacing the weakest links; it should be about finding a couple players to build the whole team around. That said, the best "available" stars are Paul George and Jimmy Butler. Either slots nicely to the SF needs.

I still think Paul George needs to be approached. He is now disgruntled, and if the Lakers cannot poach him, then why not Orlando?
Fournier and the Magics higher 1st and net year's 1st for George. This then allows the other draft picks to all be BPA to fill out the bench on the cheap.

Drafting out by NBAdraft.net leaves (Luke Kennard-SG, Tony Bradley-PF, PJ Dozier-PG) fits all 3rd stringer needs. This allows ~20M to fill in the bench on two 10M a year players (the new MME-type).


Payton/Augustin/Dozier
Ross/FA signing/Kennard
George/Hezoja
Gordon/FA signing/Bradley
Vučević/Biyambo/Zimmerman

That is a playoff team.
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i am not sure that is a playoff team.

[OrlandoDream]

Hill just turned down a 3 year 88 mil extension. He is gonna want that max of 4/130mil. We don't have the cap for that and I'm sure he is gonna prefer to stay in Utah where they are a contending team not come to one of the worse teams in the NBA. If we are gonna get a veteran Pg here, we need to trade for one. Im sticking with my prediction that Bledsoe and one of Lillard or McCollum will be moved.

[anothermagicfan]

I looked at a list of upcoming free agents last night. The only free agent I really have any desire to bring in is patty mills. Maybe the opportunity to compete for the starting job with at the very least considerable playing time might be enough to pry him from SA. I don't really like any of the other pgs or pf or sf for that matter. I'd almost be willing to try and get all 3 in the draft or maybe pull off a draft day trade to get some depth at pg and pf. Augustine is definitely not the answer. IMO he's the one contract we need to rid ourselves of. Watson is OK as a end of bench guy that can play the pg or sg more as a fill in for added depth.

[BadMofoPimp]

If the Magic need to free up money to sign a prized free agent, they desperately need to move Bizmark's contract.

[ralphie9898]

I looked at a list of upcoming free agents last night. The only free agent I really have any desire to bring in is patty mills. Maybe the opportunity to compete for the starting job with at the very least considerable playing time might be enough to pry him from SA. I don't really like any of the other pgs or pf or sf for that matter. I'd almost be willing to try and get all 3 in the draft or maybe pull off a draft day trade to get some depth at pg and pf. Augustine is definitely not the answer. IMO he's the one contract we need to rid ourselves of. Watson is OK as a end of bench guy that can play the pg or sg more as a fill in for added depth.

Yeah I looked at it a few days ago and it didn't excite me one bit. Patty Mills is a decent option but I am not sure he makes us better and would be more of the same FA signings we have seen. I also think that with our pick we are hedging more toward a PG whether it being Fultz, Ball, or Smith is up to the lottery. Sf is a whole that needs to be filled but I don't think we go with one with our first pick but of course you never know. Thus I think Payton very well could be on the trade block. I don't think we have to move Fournier or Ross as I think either could very be good in a 6th man/rotation wing player role. Of course if a trade option presents itself, no one is untouchable so we shall see. The SF free agent market is almost bare. Hayward if he leaves Utah seems destined for Boston. The only other guys of note are restricted and thus not likely going anywhere. There are some good to decent options in free agency for PGs but not sure if Orlando goes that route or that we are high on their lists plus I think in the draft it is likely one of the PGs. So I would use Payton and are other pick and maybe whatever else might be needed to try and trade up for a SF in this draft. Miles Bridges or if we could somehow move up for Tatum would be a good fit and have me excited for the season. Sisgn some depth at PF behind Gordon like Amir would be ok for me.