Tankapolooza: Draft Lottery Odds/Watch thread

[Furinkazan]

This isn't 2015. This draft is deeper than Pamela Anderson.

I don't get the analogy.

Idk I just think this draft is Fultz, Ball, Jackson & Smith and maybe 1-2 under the radar players who'll get drafted outside the lottery. I definitely don't trust Henny to pick anyone other than a future rotation player.

In related news, Dario Saric named Rookie of the Month.

Henny wont be around much longer to pick any more players. Those 4 you listed are top players this draft but might wanna check our Jonathan Isaac and Jason Tatum next time. They will be up there as well. I feel like Smith has fallen off lately.

Im not so high on Isaac or Tatum in my mind DSJ is way above them despite falling .Guy is a lock to have a solid type of Baron Davis type of career imo and all that falling in the draft makes me think if such falls arent artificially created like Isiah Thomas -Kevin Garnett situation Ive heard about during ASG.Some people try to make this and that guy fall deeper so a certain team can get him.

[yoyojw17]

...and yes, I'm a big fan of Invader Zim. If we want to be a fast up and down team, Zimmerman is a scrappy feisty gazelle.

I cannot get past how awkward his right elbow aligns.















And some Magic images showing the problem is still there:






Look at the weakness in his right arm to left:



Heck, look at his rookie card:

Yeah.... i love seeing him play.... but my eyes always catch it. not sure i'll ever just get used to seeing it.

Makes you wonder if it is worth breaking and resetting if possible. lol.... not sure how that works.

[pepe1991]

...and yes, I'm a big fan of Invader Zim. If we want to be a fast up and down team, Zimmerman is a scrappy feisty gazelle.

I cannot get past how awkward his right elbow aligns.















And some Magic images showing the problem is still there:






Look at the weakness in his right arm to left:



Heck, look at his rookie card:

Yeah.... i love seeing him play.... but my eyes always catch it. not sure i'll ever just get used to seeing it.

Makes you wonder if it is worth breaking and resetting if possible. lol.... not sure how that works.

Was he born with it? I know some kids end up with that type of arms because doctors F them up. He could make surgery , if he was born with it, his parents should do that surgery long time ago.

[j-ragg]

I mean the Magic doctors obviously looked at it and said it was fine.

Maybe it's just something that doesn't really hurt except for its visual appearance.

[drsd]

I mean the Magic doctors obviously looked at it and said it was fine.

Maybe it's just something that doesn't really hurt except for its visual appearance.

It was widely reported to be effecting his ability to lift weight in the gym, and thus, does alter his ability to gain bulk. For a Center, that is a massive concern.

[yoyojw17]

I cannot get past how awkward his right elbow aligns.















And some Magic images showing the problem is still there:






Look at the weakness in his right arm to left:



Heck, look at his rookie card:

Yeah.... i love seeing him play.... but my eyes always catch it. not sure i'll ever just get used to seeing it.

Makes you wonder if it is worth breaking and resetting if possible. lol.... not sure how that works.

Was he born with it? I know some kids end up with that type of arms because doctors F them up. He could make surgery , if he was born with it, his parents should do that surgery long time ago.

if i remember correctly ... it was a childhood injury.

[j-ragg]

I mean the Magic doctors obviously looked at it and said it was fine.

Maybe it's just something that doesn't really hurt except for its visual appearance.

It was widely reported to be effecting his ability to lift weight in the gym, and thus, does alter his ability to gain bulk. For a Center, that is a massive concern.

Right but what I'm saying is if it wasn't enough of a concern for Orlando, who spent millions of dollars on him, then it probably isn't a big enough deal for people to doubt his potential or anything on here

Could be wrong, just think if there's one thing the brass does they do their homework on draft prospects. Porzingis scouting, Payton's scouting, we've heard they do their research. So I just can't imagine the info they've got says it might hurt him in the future. Never know though.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Anyone worried that if we do fire Hennigan and don't have an entirely new team and scouts in very quickly, we may wind up with a botched draft? What if we bring in a crew that just doesn't have the time to put together a strategy before the draft? There are international players to scout, a lot of 2nd tier guys that need looking into because we may have 4 picks.

This has really been on my mind lately. It started when I was listening to Woj talk on a podcast about the impact Magic Johnson and his new staff could have on the lakers draft since they are coming in so late and haven't been able to scout all year like the other GM's and staffs have.

With all the picks we have this year I think it's something we have to consider. Especially since our new GM will be coming in even later at the end of the year. Hopefully it will be a smooth transition if it happens but it could put us at a disadvantage come draft night.

Well imo its really hard to screw it up if you have a top 3 pick....Although I wouldn't put it past Ervin or Henny. I think it would be more of a disadvantage in terms of the later rounds because that's where I think a lot of GM's look at how guys fit the team. That said, if Vogel is as closely involved as stated earlier, then maybe it wouldn't be as bad of a transition. Who the **** knows anymore.

Kind of OT from this topic. I want to see Zimmerman get some more minutes. I hope they haven't forgotten about him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Anyone worried that if we do fire Hennigan and don't have an entirely new team and scouts in very quickly, we may wind up with a botched draft? What if we bring in a crew that just doesn't have the time to put together a strategy before the draft? There are international players to scout, a lot of 2nd tier guys that need looking into because we may have 4 picks.

This has really been on my mind lately. It started when I was listening to Woj talk on a podcast about the impact Magic Johnson and his new staff could have on the lakers draft since they are coming in so late and haven't been able to scout all year like the other GM's and staffs have.

With all the picks we have this year I think it's something we have to consider. Especially since our new GM will be coming in even later at the end of the year. Hopefully it will be a smooth transition if it happens but it could put us at a disadvantage come draft night.

Well imo its really hard to screw it up if you have a top 3 pick....Although I wouldn't put it past Ervin or Henny. I think it would be more of a disadvantage in terms of the later rounds because that's where I think a lot of GM's look at how guys fit the team. That said, if Vogel is as closely involved as stated earlier, then maybe it wouldn't be as bad of a transition. Who the **** knows anymore.

Kind of OT from this topic. I want to see Zimmerman get some more minutes. I hope they haven't forgotten about him.

I am fairly certain the decision is already made or close to being made while management will already have their eye on replacements.

It is not like they will fire someone then think,"What are we going to do now." There will be a plan and if not decided yet, Vogel will have a major stake in the decision making process.

[shadrock]

Alright, so its looking more and more likely that LA is going to end up with a top 3 pick unfortunately... but ive been thinking and im not convinced it will be THAT much of a drop off in what we get in return. Lets break down the two scenarios:

We get the LA first rounder: Assuming we were to get the Lakers pick, we wouldnt receive it until 2019, by which time id almost guarantee the Lakers will have signed someone like Paul George, and guys like Ingram, Russell, Randle, Clarkson will all be at the start of their primes. It would be very unlikely that the pick we get would be any better than #10, and possibly would be out of the lottery.

We dont get the LA first rounder: If we dont get it, we actually end up getting two LA second rounders instead in 2017 and 2018. The 2017 2nd rounder would be #32 in the draft, which to me is the PRIME spot to be picking, and is more valuable to NBA teams than late firsts as there is no guaranteed contract attached to it. This is a pretty deep draft and this could be the spot where we take a swing for the fences on someone like Harry Giles if he slides, which is very possible given his injury history. Or, it also gives up the option of pairing our two other picks that are like #23 and #34 along with this pick at #32 for a pick in the late lottery possibly, which is right around the same range i predicted we would be picking with that Lakers pick in 2019 anyway. Plus we then also get their second rounder next year. I mean, obviously it is a drop off in the return we get, but i dont think its a nightmare if we dont get it.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Why post so much pictures of Zimm's elbow? Ahh it really freaks me out!

[DiplomaticMagic]

Lakers now the 2nd worse team in basketball, bye bye draft pick.

[drsd]

Well imo its really hard to screw it up if you have a top 3 pick....

Umm .... not really; actually not even a little bit.

Anthony Bennett - 2013 #1
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - 2012 #2
Derrick Williams - 2011 #2
Enes Kanter - 2011 #3
Evan Turner - 2010 #2
Derrick Favors - 2010 #3
Hasheem Thabeet 2009 - #2
Michael Beasley - 2008 #2
O. J. Mayo - 2008 #3
Greg Oden - 2007 #1
Andrea Bargnani - 2006 #1
Adam Morrison - 2006 #3
Marvin Williams - 2005 #2
Ben Gordon - 2004 #3
Darko Miličić 2003 - #2
Jay Williams 2002 - #2
Mike Dunleavy, Jr. 2002 - #3

There is at least one bust or mini-bust in every draft that can be evaluated (2014 an earlier is to early to tell).


My point: a top-3 pick often fails to be a savior for a team. And often is barely starter quality.


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[drsd]

Lakers now the 2nd worse team in basketball, bye bye draft pick.

Do the Magic need a ~overall #32 this year or a late 1st pick in 2019 (when the team probably will be good)?

Tough call.


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[zaymon]

Lakers now the 2nd worse team in basketball, bye bye draft pick.

Do the Magic need a ~overall #32 this year or a late 1st pick in 2019 (when the team probably will be good)?

Tough call.


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I must admit this is good move by Henny. He has his moments

[cedric76]

Lakers now the 2nd worse team in basketball, bye bye draft pick.

Do the Magic need a ~overall #32 this year or a late 1st pick in 2019 (when the team probably will be good)?

Tough call.


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#32 +#34 can net u a later 1st 2017

#4+#24+evan for PG
Sign George hill in FA

Job done

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[teefbe]

Lakers now the 2nd worse team in basketball, bye bye draft pick.

Do the Magic need a ~overall #32 this year or a late 1st pick in 2019 (when the team probably will be good)?

Tough call.


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#32 +#34 can net u a later 1st 2017

#4+#24+evan for PG
Sign George hill in FA

Job done

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And trade George in the middle of the season because he won't resign with us? Please, can we just stop with PG/Butler crap and focus on budiling something new and don't bring all stars that wont give us a chance to contend.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Alright, so its looking more and more likely that LA is going to end up with a top 3 pick unfortunately... but ive been thinking and im not convinced it will be THAT much of a drop off in what we get in return. Lets break down the two scenarios:

We get the LA first rounder: Assuming we were to get the Lakers pick, we wouldnt receive it until 2019, by which time id almost guarantee the Lakers will have signed someone like Paul George, and guys like Ingram, Russell, Randle, Clarkson will all be at the start of their primes. It would be very unlikely that the pick we get would be any better than #10, and possibly would be out of the lottery.

We dont get the LA first rounder: If we dont get it, we actually end up getting two LA second rounders instead in 2017 and 2018. The 2017 2nd rounder would be #32 in the draft, which to me is the PRIME spot to be picking, and is more valuable to NBA teams than late firsts as there is no guaranteed contract attached to it. This is a pretty deep draft and this could be the spot where we take a swing for the fences on someone like Harry Giles if he slides, which is very possible given his injury history. Or, it also gives up the option of pairing our two other picks that are like #23 and #34 along with this pick at #32 for a pick in the late lottery possibly, which is right around the same range i predicted we would be picking with that Lakers pick in 2019 anyway. Plus we then also get their second rounder next year. I mean, obviously it is a drop off in the return we get, but i dont think its a nightmare if we dont get it.

OR they don't get George because Paul resigns with Indiana for the supermax due to him bumping Durant from the all-team and Lakers continue to be a dumpster fire ran organization and continue to overpay for old veterans and one of their core players are eventually going to be traded for an established veteran that could bite them in the ass like it did us with Ibaka and them like Howard and could be looking at a pick anywhere from 8 to 12 that could potentially jump into the top 3 (knowing our luck).

All I'm saying is an unprotected pick in 2 yrs from a team this bad that has a track record of making bad decisions that STILL has two of the worst contracts on their roster is PURE GOLDDDDDDDD.

[cedric76]

Do the Magic need a ~overall #32 this year or a late 1st pick in 2019 (when the team probably will be good)?

Tough call.


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#32 +#34 can net u a later 1st 2017

#4+#24+evan for PG
Sign George hill in FA

Job done

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And trade George in the middle of the season because he won't resign with us? Please, can we just stop with PG/Butler crap and focus on budiling something new and don't bring all stars that wont give us a chance to contend.

He will stay here once we r a top 4 team in the east

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[rusoopE]

Zim prolly is a great robot dancer