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[dangermouse]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

[AFM]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

A super max is when you're able to go even further beyond.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

Max



Super max

[dangermouse]

I was asking for it wasnt i?

[Donkey McDonkerton]

I was asking for it wasnt i?

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/244358/The-Most-Impactful-New-Element-Of-The-NBAs-New-CBA

While eliminating the max contract would completely reshape the system and eliminate the NBA middle class, there was a compromise in which superstars can be paid supermax contracts worth 35 percent of the salary cap for longer durations of their career. The ability of select players to earn more money and for their existing teams to keep them is indisputably the most impactful new element of the 2017 collective bargaining agreement.

The NBA has accorded a new financial bar to its best players and that meritocracy was certainly needed. As perennially underrated Mike Conley has been during his career, there is a fundamental flaw with he and Kevin Durant being subject to the same max contract structure.
Within the existing system, players could only be paid up to 35 percent of the cap once they hit 10 years of service and they couldn’t sign a four-year or five-year deal if they hit the age of 36 during the life of the contract. The limitation on the number of years a superstar player could be paid appropriately was unfairly short.
Players either on or coming off their second contract can now sign an extension, or a new deal as a free agent, worth 35 percent of the cap even if they have not accrued 10 years of service if certain criteria are met. In order to qualify for the provision, players must have been named to an All-NBA team in the previous season or two of the previous three, or either be an MVP or Defensive Player of the Year in any of the previous three seasons. In addition to that individual achievement, players must also remain on the team they were on during their rookie contracts.

To get a feel for who this provision will apply to, the players who hypothetically would have been eligible for a supermax contract during the 2016 offseason are listed at the end of this article. With the exception of Joakim Noah, who wasn’t offered a max contract in free agency after two injury-plagued seasons, the list is a fair and accurate representation of the players most deserving of a supermax contract. The framers of the new CBA did well on this point: it isn’t too broad since they use All-NBA instead of All-Star appearances, and it isn’t too narrow since they don’t merely include the first team All-NBA selections.

[FKAri]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

A super max is when you're able to go even further beyond.

What would that make him? Double maxed?

[TheTrooper]

Do we have the most diverse team in the league?

By diverse in this setting, I mean white. And foreign.

It does seem like we have a lot of white and European players on our team this year. But there is no way we can compete with Utah, San Antonio, Dallas, and Denver. Those teams can field entire line ups of Euros.

Time to bring Vesely and Aaron White back.

Nahh.
You guys have a team that almost perfectly matches the NBA player composition.
10 out of 15 guys you have are black American, 1 is White American, 3 white international and one non-white international.

[AFM]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

A super max is when you're able to go even further beyond.

What would that make him? Double maxed?

Has he really found a way to surpass a max contract?

[Dark Faze]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

5 year extension at 35% of the cap as long as you make all nba

Wall *probably* makes all nba third team this year. The contract would go into effect once his current contract is up.

On one hand you root for it because it keeps him in DC through his prime years. On the other hand you don't want it because it's a death knell for a team like the wiz who won't pay the tax.

My take on it is to go all in, pay the tax, do whatever to win as much as possible these next few years and then prepare for a lean cutting down of the roster when Walls contract kicks in--I think that's also the year Kieff is due for a new contract too and when Kelly is up for an extension.

But where the eff is nate when you need him, he should be the one to explain this

[tontoz]

I doubt Wall makes All-NBA this year. His shooting is still weak, he still turns it over too much and there is a lot of tough competition among the guards.

[dckingsfan]

I doubt Wall makes All-NBA this year. His shooting is still weak, he still turns it over too much and there is a lot of tough competition among the guards.

He would basically need to be a top 3 PG in the NBA right?

Curry and Westbrook have slots 1&2 locked up. Paul is iffy only because of the injury. And now that they have Harden playing PG - I think you are right.

[Illmatic12]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

5 year extension at 35% of the cap as long as you make all nba

Wall *probably* makes all nba third team this year. The contract would go into effect once his current contract is up.

On one hand you root for it because it keeps him in DC through his prime years. On the other hand you don't want it because it's a death knell for a team like the wiz who won't pay the tax.

My take on it is to go all in, pay the tax, do whatever to win as much as possible these next few years and then prepare for a lean cutting down of the roster when Walls contract kicks in--I think that's also the year Kieff is due for a new contract too and when Kelly is up for an extension.

But where the eff is nate when you need him, he should be the one to explain this

If we really do have a perennial ECF contender on our hands, it's time to become a tax-paying team.

Years ago, Leonsis stated that he was not a fan of the lux tax . But recently Ted has made a lot of noise about how he wants to expand Monumental's revenue streams , will start charging a subscription fee to distribute their content, they're building the new Mystics/practice facility which is expected to bring in revenue. And the Caps are doing well. I think he will strongly reconsider his stance about not paying the tax .. if the Wizards have a young team that potentially could be a Lebron sprained-ankle away from the Finals every season, then the upside (financially) of keeping the team together far outweighs the downside.

[Illmatic12]

I doubt Wall makes All-NBA this year. His shooting is still weak, he still turns it over too much and there is a lot of tough competition among the guards.

He would basically need to be a top 3 PG in the NBA right?

Curry and Westbrook have slots 1&2 locked up. Paul is iffy only because of the injury. And now that they have Harden playing PG - I think you are right.

Fortunately for Washington and John Wall, Paul and Lowry will have missed a lot of games .Wall is going to make an All-NBA team this season. You can quote me on this later.

Westbrook/Harden (these are the locks for 1st team, not Curry)
Curry/Thomas (could be Wall instead of IT if Boston's record slips)
Wall/Derozan

Those are your All-NBA guards.

[pcbothwel]

Can someone explain this max/supermax rule to me in simple terms?

5 year extension at 35% of the cap as long as you make all nba

Wall *probably* makes all nba third team this year. The contract would go into effect once his current contract is up.

On one hand you root for it because it keeps him in DC through his prime years. On the other hand you don't want it because it's a death knell for a team like the wiz who won't pay the tax.

My take on it is to go all in, pay the tax, do whatever to win as much as possible these next few years and then prepare for a lean cutting down of the roster when Walls contract kicks in--I think that's also the year Kieff is due for a new contract too and when Kelly is up for an extension.

But where the eff is nate when you need him, he should be the one to explain this

If we really do have a perennial ECF contender on our hands, it's time to become a tax-paying team.

Years ago, Leonsis stated that he was not a fan of the lux tax . But recently Ted has made a lot of noise about how he wants to expand Monumental's revenue streams , will start charging a subscription fee to distribute their content, they're building the new Mystics/practice facility which is expected to bring in revenue. And the Caps are doing well. I think he will strongly reconsider his stance about not paying the tax .. if the Wizards have a young team that potentially could be a Lebron sprained-ankle away from the Finals every season, then the upside (financially) of keeping the team together far outweighs the downside.

I agree we should pay the tax, but I would have no problem with Ted saying no if it was for a small amount. I.E. We are over the tax by 1-2M. That would be shortsighted for repeater tax purposes down the road.

Right now the Tax rate is
$1.50 for every $1 up to 5M
$1.75 for every $1 from 5M-10M
$2.50 for every $1 from 10M-15M

If I was Ted, no way would I pay the $2.50 per dollar rate. So I would cap my GM at 10M in Lux Tax dollars. That means Ted would pay 16M for another 10M in salary, or 7.5M for another 5M in salary.

I'd say we should go 5M into the Lux tax, which allows us to resign Otto and use the MLE. Then, if we are healthy at the deadline in the front court, we can dump Smith for a 2nd round pick and go under. Seems fair enough

[nate33]

I doubt Wall makes All-NBA this year. His shooting is still weak, he still turns it over too much and there is a lot of tough competition among the guards.

He would basically need to be a top 3 PG in the NBA right?

Curry and Westbrook have slots 1&2 locked up. Paul is iffy only because of the injury. And now that they have Harden playing PG - I think you are right.

Fortunately for Washington and John Wall, Paul and Lowry will have missed a lot of games .Wall is going to make an All-NBA team this season. You can quote me on this later.

Westbrook/Harden (these are the locks for 1st team, not Curry)
Curry/Thomas (could be Wall instead of IT if Boston's record slips)
Wall/Derozan

Those are your All-NBA guards.

All NBA selections are typically made near the end of May usually right around the start of the Finals. With that in mind, you have to factor Kyrie Irving in the mix because he is likely to make the Conference Finals at a minimum. Also, I wouldn't be so quick to discard Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry. If their teams make the Conference Finals, people are likely to forget about the 20-25 games missed. Chris Paul, in particular, still has a shot. The Clippers are 26-9 (61-win pace) when Paul plays, and 8-13 without him.

Westbrook, Harden and Curry will definitely make it. After that, Wall is in the mix with Paul, Thomas, Kyrie, DeRozan and Lowry. I think Thomas and Chris Paul beat out Wall, but Wall gets the 6th spot ahead of Lowry, Kyrie and DeRozan.

[Illmatic12]

I agree we should pay the tax, but I would have no problem with Ted saying no if it was for a small amount. I.E. We are over the tax by 1-2M. That would be shortsighted for repeater tax purposes down the road.

Right now the Tax rate is
$1.50 for every $1 up to 5M
$1.75 for every $1 from 5M-10M
$2.50 for every $1 from 10M-15M

If I was Ted, no way would I pay the $2.50 per dollar rate. So I would cap my GM at 10M in Lux Tax dollars. That means Ted would pay 16M for another 10M in salary, or 7.5M for another 5M in salary.

I'd say we should go 5M into the Lux tax, which allows us to resign Otto and use the MLE. Then, if we are healthy at the deadline in the front court, we can dump Smith for a 2nd round pick and go under. Seems fair enough

I would look at extending Otto + Bojan .. if their annual salary combines for ~$33m or less I think the math works out like you said. And we can maneuver from there. We'd have until the trade deadline of next year to shed salary before the penalty is assessed on July 1

[Illmatic12]

He would basically need to be a top 3 PG in the NBA right?

Curry and Westbrook have slots 1&2 locked up. Paul is iffy only because of the injury. And now that they have Harden playing PG - I think you are right.

Fortunately for Washington and John Wall, Paul and Lowry will have missed a lot of games .Wall is going to make an All-NBA team this season. You can quote me on this later.

Westbrook/Harden (these are the locks for 1st team, not Curry)
Curry/Thomas (could be Wall instead of IT if Boston's record slips)
Wall/Derozan

Those are your All-NBA guards.

All NBA selections are typically made near the end of May usually right around the start of the Finals. With that in mind, you have to factor Kyrie Irving in the mix because he is likely to make the Conference Finals at a minimum. Also, I wouldn't be so quick to discard Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry. If their teams make the Conference Finals, people are likely to forget about the 20-25 games missed. Chris Paul, in particular, still has a shot. The Clippers are 26-9 (61-win pace) when Paul plays, and 8-13 without him.

Westbrook, Harden and Curry will definitely make it. After that, Wall is in the mix with Paul, Thomas, Kyrie, DeRozan and Lowry. I think Thomas and Chris Paul beat out Wall, but Wall gets the 6th spot ahead of Lowry, Kyrie and DeRozan.

Good point about CP3 and their team record without him. But I'm pretty sure the cutoff for All-NBA voting happens well before the results come out. I think Zach Lowe or someone mentioned in a podcast, they had to submit their votes in April and it only reflects the regular season.

I think Lowry's hopes are shot, he's just not memorable enough to miss the last 30% of the regular season and still be a candidate. CP3 could definitely get it on name recognition but I think Wall's candidacy is stronger bc he's been carrying us all season

[Dark Faze]

The Clippers are going no where in the post season. That team has regressed if anything.

I'd be shocked if Chris made it. His team has regressed, he's playing career low minutes and has missed games.

Westbrook, Harden
Curry, Thomas
DeRoza, Wall

Will be the outcome I think.

I think if Wall misses out it's only going to be because they decided to go with Irving over him. I think when you consider that Kyrie plays with LeBron, has already made all NBA before, and that the records will be relatively close, Wall will get thrown the bone.

[dckingsfan]

Fortunately for Washington and John Wall, Paul and Lowry will have missed a lot of games .Wall is going to make an All-NBA team this season. You can quote me on this later.

Westbrook/Harden (these are the locks for 1st team, not Curry)
Curry/Thomas (could be Wall instead of IT if Boston's record slips)
Wall/Derozan

Those are your All-NBA guards.

All NBA selections are typically made near the end of May usually right around the start of the Finals. With that in mind, you have to factor Kyrie Irving in the mix because he is likely to make the Conference Finals at a minimum. Also, I wouldn't be so quick to discard Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry. If their teams make the Conference Finals, people are likely to forget about the 20-25 games missed. Chris Paul, in particular, still has a shot. The Clippers are 26-9 (61-win pace) when Paul plays, and 8-13 without him.

Westbrook, Harden and Curry will definitely make it. After that, Wall is in the mix with Paul, Thomas, Kyrie, DeRozan and Lowry. I think Thomas and Chris Paul beat out Wall, but Wall gets the 6th spot ahead of Lowry, Kyrie and DeRozan.

Good point about CP3 and their team record without him. But I'm pretty sure the cutoff for All-NBA voting happens well before the results come out. I think Zach Lowe or someone mentioned in a podcast, they had to submit their votes in April and it only reflects the regular season.

I think Lowry's hopes are shot, he's just not memorable enough to miss the last 30% of the regular season and still be a candidate. CP3 could definitely get it on name recognition but I think Wall's candidacy is stronger bc he's been carrying us all season

They have the Greek Freak as a guard?

[Illmatic12]

Giannis is listed as a forward, they had him as a front court player in the All Star