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Post#341 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:55 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Damn I feel old. When people don't even remember the days of Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton...

You want to feel old, try going to work and talking basketball and then having a guy say ... "I didn't know Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Kobe, Fox and Shaw played together before they drafted Fisher till I played 2k!"

I was like what in the fn ****

Not sure I'm following you all the way, homie, but that statement is inaccurate. Fisher was drafted in the same draft as Kobe and Fox and Shaw came a few years later.
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Post#342 » by kblo247 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:13 am

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Damn I feel old. When people don't even remember the days of Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton...

You want to feel old, try going to work and talking basketball and then having a guy say ...

I was like what in the fn ****

Not sure I'm following you all the way, homie, but that statement is inaccurate. Fisher was drafted in the same draft as Kobe and Fox and Shaw came a few years later.

Homie a 23 year old kid at work told me "I didn't know Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Kobe, Fox and Shaw played together before they drafted Fisher till I played 2k!"

I know full well that Fisher and Kobe were drafted together in 96 (my uncle took me to one of their summer league games), Fox came the next summer after being a double digit scorer in Boston off a handshake promise for Jerry Buss, and then Shaw came even later. I was just looking at the dude like bruh, 2K just don't have the rights to Fisher, they all played together :x :lol:

Or him telling me Boston had not made it to the conference Finals since Bird before KG and company came. And I'm looking like fool the NETS ran Walker/Pierce off the court. Sometimes I feel old remembering basketball from way back then. Hell I cringe when some of the other young guys call Blake and CP the best PG/PF combo ... Stockton and Malone or Payton and Kemp would destroy them both ways.

I remember Rodman, Harper, Grant (both times), Rider all joining this team
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Post#343 » by ALL HAIL » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:22 am

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kblo247 wrote:You want to feel old, try going to work and talking basketball and then having a guy say ...

I was like what in the fn ****

Not sure I'm following you all the way, homie, but that statement is inaccurate. Fisher was drafted in the same draft as Kobe and Fox and Shaw came a few years later.

Homie a 23 year old kid at work told me "I didn't know Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Kobe, Fox and Shaw played together before they drafted Fisher till I played 2k!"

I know full well that Fisher and Kobe were drafted together in 96 (my uncle took me to one of their summer league games), Fox came the next summer after being a double digit scorer in Boston off a handshake promise for Jerry Buss, and then Shaw came even later. I was just looking at the dude like bruh, 2K just don't have the rights to Fisher, they all played together :x :lol:

Or him telling me Boston had not made it to the conference Finals since Bird before KG and company came. And I'm looking like fool the NETS ran Walker/Pierce off the court. Sometimes I feel old remembering basketball from way back then. Hell I cringe when some of the other young guys call Blake and CP the best PG/PF combo ... Stockton and Malone or Payton and Kemp would destroy them both ways.

I remember Rodman, Harper, Grant (both times), Rider all joining this team

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Post#344 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 12:38 am

Kilroy wrote:Walton was the top Coaching prospect that season by far... I don't know how that's even debatable... He's the perfect coach for LA and this young team. They can grow together.


I'm pretty happy with the Walton signing....and I agree that he was the 'sexy' new face. But this is his first year as a head coach. You can HOPE he becomes a premier coach...but as of right now, he has a 19-41 record as a head coach.

Kilroy wrote:Magic said they're tanking... The plan was to try to be good but if they weren't by all star break, they had the pick to shoot for. There is absolutely no question they're tanking now and have been for weeks... So yeah, that's 'Mitch's plan.'
The reason I draw that distinction is because Magic has been screaming about tanking for the last few years... One got the impression that was something he would never condone... So here we are.


Wait wait wait.....the allstar break is 75% through the season, right? (give or take a couple games). You might be right that Mitch and Jim had seen the inevitable these last couple weeks, but to talk about this draft pick (which we may never even get) like it was something Mitch and Jim had deftly set up for us, is IMO a pretty major misrepresentation of what actually happened.

As far as Magic is concerned....I mean come on. He's inheriting a team with about 20 games to go, that's sitting at 19-39. Ditch Williams for a first-rounder....play out your youth....and regroup with your new team next season. That just makes sense right? I'm not trying to spin everything he does into some positive.....but I mean, that's a pretty clear, and logical path if you or I were taking over this team, right? Nobody around here honestly thinks anyone could come in and make some tweaks with guys minutes and suddenly go 21-0...and miraculously make the playoffs. So I think you really can't count any of this as Magic's work. He's just waiting for the season to end.

Yes...I agree that that team was pretty old. Especially Nash. But Pau was about 31 when Jim took over, and Dwight was like 26-27.

I further agree that Jim's team was definitely going to just get older and worse, while this team is (hopefully) gonna get older and better. But this team was the 2nd worst team last year, and is the 3rd worst this year at the time Magic took over. So while there's definitely more room for improvement now compared to then, there's an argument to be made that that team made the 7th seed even with all the crazy injuries....and I'm not sure that if you made zero moves for 3-4 years, that this team would make the 7th seed. I'd like to think it would. I thought for sure it would 3 months ago. But now I'm not so sure.

This team really went nowhere compared to last year....wouldn't you agree? There's been no sizeable growth. That's why Jeanie pulled the plug. If this team was really stocked with all this good stuff.....a premier coach, etc etc, we wouldn't be where we are.

If a person is gonna say that Luke is this amazing coach. Much better than Scott....and that Ingram was a great get. And that Randle,Russell are stars in the making, and that our almost $40mil spent on free-agents were decent, or even good signings, then I want that person to explain why we're basically exactly as bad as last year.....which was the worst year in our franchise's history.

Would you say it's unfair to argue that the picture you painted....and the last 60 games we've watched don't add up?
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Post#345 » by Kilroy » Wed Mar 1, 2017 1:22 am

You don't get 'Sizeable Growth" by using your draft picks and signing the only free agents that would return your calls... That should never have been the goal... That said, at the beginning of the season, this team looked like it had a lot going for it... It still does. But we're talking about a core of first and second year players here...

I thought they'd be a lot better because I like the mix of talent, but even I would have told you to start the season that this was realistically a lottery team, with the potential to do a lot better. But somewhere along the lines, I think they decided Fultz and Ball were impressive enough that being better was no longer the right goal for the team... So they started playing Ingram 30min a game... They started with the weird rotations... etc...

Walton is a much better coach that Scott... Clearly.
Ingram is clearly an all star in the making...
Randle is going to be a constant double-double machine and triple-double threat any given night...
Russell's probably going to be an all star eventually... He's got the skills, he just needs to find the right mind-set...
Deng and Moz are over paid, but there were guys that got a hell of a lot more over-paid in their same positions, and I think you're exaggerating the impact of their salaries on this off season and for the future.... Take a look at the cap projections.

The reason we aren't better is that Ingram, Russell, and Randle are all still trying to figure out who they're going to be in the NBA. And Walton's trying to figure out how to go from coaching a team that essentially coached itself, to a team that desperately needs a coach to tell them what to do and be...

That said, we're also not any better because we DON'T WANT TO BE.

This is a team that's about 3/4s of the way through a complete ground up rebuild and has done it in record time. It took a few years because that's what the CBA is designed to do. The old days where the Lakers had their pick of Free Agents are long gone. As are the days of lopsided trades (looks at Cousins for Hield and winces)... In some ways, the League adopted the current CBA as a direct reaction to our success.
But the tough work has been done already... Magic gets to reap the rewards and look like he saved the organization from eternal turmoil and we should get to start watching the wins pile up (next season)...
If you don't think Magic planned it that way, you don't know Magic very well.
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Post#346 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Mar 1, 2017 7:08 am

Kilroy wrote:Walton is a much better coach that Scott... Clearly.
Ingram is clearly an all star in the making...
Randle is going to be a constant double-double machine and triple-double threat any given night...
Russell's probably going to be an all star eventually... He's got the skills, he just needs to find the right mind-set...
Deng and Moz are over paid, but there were guys that got a hell of a lot more over-paid in their same positions, and I think you're exaggerating the impact of their salaries on this off season and for the future.... Take a look at the cap projections.


1) Please don't excuse a bad Deng / Moz contract by pointing to others who are worse. This is supposed to be the shining star in the NBA.....we're not the Clippers. I'll never accept Clipper level. A bad deal is a bad deal. Period. If you remove the commentators like Ireland who work for the Lakers, I think the # people who thought Mozgov was a good move can be counted on 2 fingers.

2) Let's just hold off on all these "clearly" comments. I see nothing that justifies "Clearly" on the court this season. Ingram has one of the worst PER's in the league. "Clearly" my foot. 8ppg is "clearly" nowhere near as good as Durants rookie year, and that's the other #2 pick he was often compared to. I'll admit falling a little short of Durant is still an amazing pick, but Ingram's falling more than a little short. Luke may "clearly" be a better coach in your eyes.....but where are the wins then? Randle has twice the exp under Luke....so does Russell, and Nance. Where's the growth?

I'm not trying to Sh*** on this team, or any of these players....but 19-42 man. If you're gonna make the argument that Magic's been handed all this "premier coaching" , and "tripple-double threat" and "all-star in the making" why are we complete garbage?

The last 3 years, have been the 3 worst years in Laker franchise history. Not 3 worst combined (it actually is...but that's not the point I'm making)....but like #1, #2, and #3. A nice tripple-floater-whammy complements of Jim Buss. That's honestly impressive. Like he hit rock bottom, and then just laid down, and took a nap. THAT'S what Magic inherited.
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Post#347 » by Danny Darko » Fri Mar 3, 2017 6:40 pm

Good interview to watch all of, but interesting that around 9:55 they ask him about the young core and he talks about Russell, Randle, Ingram, and Nance but not Clarkson.

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Post#348 » by Kilroy » Fri Mar 3, 2017 8:57 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Good interview to watch all of, but interesting that around 9:55 they ask him about the young core and he talks about Russell, Randle, Ingram, and Nance but not Clarkson.



Yeah, leaving Clarkson out was weird and didn't seem like an over-sight... But I thought it was interesting that he essentially admitted to Zeke (btw, did you know his middle name was 'Lord') that he didn't quite have a handle on things yet... Wanted to take the rest of the year to look at the young guys. In all honesty, he really didn't say anything too enlightening about any of them... Russell needs to work on being a leader, Randle needs to work on his right hand, Ingram's getting better and better, Nance is athletic and brings a lot of his Dad with him... :thinking:

It's also a little weird how he talks about 'choosing this time' to step into the role and what not...

Magic can tell a story... I love listening to him talk to these guys and it's great to see that he and Zeke have finally figured out how to socialize together.

So it sounds like they're all in tank mode right now, but it also sounds like they may look to make some moves after the draft... He said something about 2 or 3 of the young guys being all stars.. But it sounded like he caught himself and really was going to say 2 or 3 may still be Lakers...
I think the pressure's still on to make a big name move. We'll see I guess... After the Phoenix game, this season can't end fast enough.
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Post#349 » by LakersSoul » Fri Mar 3, 2017 10:17 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Good interview to watch all of, but interesting that around 9:55 they ask him about the young core and he talks about Russell, Randle, Ingram, and Nance but not Clarkson.



I dont know...

The question raised about specificially building around Dlo, Randle and Ingram. Magic talked about them and then added Nance since Magic knows his father and Nance is a freak athlete. Nance is a more important member of the team, I think, than Clarkson. I dont think leaving out Clarkson was an intended event. Magic also didnt talk about Zubac so no big deal.

Good interview. Thanks for posting.

One thing I loved is when Magic talked about IT and how they would not go clubbing but stay in the hotel, listen to games/interviews and talk all night long about basketball. Although I am sure he did his share of partying, good to see he stay focused on basketball. How else would teams want him involved in GS or Detroit or NY. Why would the Dodgers give him ownership. He is a winner and all those star now in the league will not only want to play for Magic and the Lakers (more than previously) but will want advice from him on life after basketball and pick his brains and get invoved with Magic the business man.

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Post#350 » by Danny Darko » Fri Mar 3, 2017 10:27 pm

Yeah i'm not sure he's damning Clarkson, I was just waiting for it and it never came, but he also didn't mention Zu (who is easier to dismiss being a rookie who just started really getting min)
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Post#351 » by Kilroy » Fri Mar 3, 2017 10:54 pm

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Danny Darko wrote:Good interview to watch all of, but interesting that around 9:55 they ask him about the young core and he talks about Russell, Randle, Ingram, and Nance but not Clarkson.



I dont know...

The question raised about specificially building around Dlo, Randle and Ingram. Magic talked about them and then added Nance since Magic knows his father and Nance is a freak athlete. Nance is a more important member of the team, I think, than Clarkson. I dont think leaving out Clarkson was an intended event. Magic also didnt talk about Zubac so no big deal.

Good interview. Thanks for posting.

One thing I loved is when Magic talked about IT and how they would not go clubbing but stay in the hotel, listen to games/interviews and talk all night long about basketball. Although I am sure he did his share of partying, good to see he stay focused on basketball. How else would teams want him involved in GS or Detroit or NY. Why would the Dodgers give him ownership. He is a winner and all those star now in the league will not only want to play for Magic and the Lakers (more than previously) but will want advice from him on life after basketball and pick his brains and get invoved with Magic the business man.


Don't take what Magic said too literally... Magic and Zeke weren't that close when they played. They weren't hanging out in the halls of hotels when they were playing against each other... They were legit rivals. Zeke had a lot of animosity for Magic. And Magic didn't do a whole lot to make things better...

And the Showtime Lakers were legendary for partying... As in hookers in the locker-rooms legendary... Magic may not have been the worst, but he sure as hell wasn't a choir boy either.
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Post#352 » by lake_show » Sat Mar 4, 2017 1:57 am

Kilroy wrote:
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Danny Darko wrote:Good interview to watch all of, but interesting that around 9:55 they ask him about the young core and he talks about Russell, Randle, Ingram, and Nance but not Clarkson.



I dont know...

The question raised about specificially building around Dlo, Randle and Ingram. Magic talked about them and then added Nance since Magic knows his father and Nance is a freak athlete. Nance is a more important member of the team, I think, than Clarkson. I dont think leaving out Clarkson was an intended event. Magic also didnt talk about Zubac so no big deal.

Good interview. Thanks for posting.

One thing I loved is when Magic talked about IT and how they would not go clubbing but stay in the hotel, listen to games/interviews and talk all night long about basketball. Although I am sure he did his share of partying, good to see he stay focused on basketball. How else would teams want him involved in GS or Detroit or NY. Why would the Dodgers give him ownership. He is a winner and all those star now in the league will not only want to play for Magic and the Lakers (more than previously) but will want advice from him on life after basketball and pick his brains and get invoved with Magic the business man.


Don't take what Magic said too literally... Magic and Zeke weren't that close when they played. They weren't hanging out in the halls of hotels when they were playing against each other... They were legit rivals. Zeke had a lot of animosity for Magic. And Magic didn't do a whole lot to make things better...

And the Showtime Lakers were legendary for partying... As in hookers in the locker-rooms legendary... Magic may not have been the worst, but he sure as hell wasn't a choir boy either.


What?!?!?... Where you getting this from? These guys were best friends bro. They caught a lot of flack because they had a routine of kissing each other on the cheek before games. When Magic announced he had AIDS people started talking crap to Isaiah, because they were so close, trying to say that they must've been up to some weird crap if Magic got AIDS. It wasn't til then that Isaiah stopped talking to Magic... and only to stop people from talking crap to him about the AIDS thing.

Obviously you're just talking crap. But, even if you are... what's the point of saying all this? Magic has AIDS man... we know he didn't get it from attending church on Sunday. Who cares though? What's the point of your comments? Other than to try to discredit that entire interview by saying the Lakers had "hookers in the locker-rooms" 30 years ago.
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Post#353 » by LakersSoul » Sat Mar 4, 2017 2:07 am

Easy there Lake_Show...

I agree with you. Zeke and Magic were very tight as the kiss shows but somehow drifted a bit like many friendships especially when one gets married and has kids. Now I think both Magic and Zeke are at a good place and hope their friendship blooms again. Magic asked Zeke to come over and talk with Dlo about leadership and taking charge of the team as a PG. I hope he takes Magic up on that offer to chill in LA for a few days.

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Post#354 » by Kilroy » Sat Mar 4, 2017 2:46 am

lake_show wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
LakersSoul wrote:
I dont know...

The question raised about specificially building around Dlo, Randle and Ingram. Magic talked about them and then added Nance since Magic knows his father and Nance is a freak athlete. Nance is a more important member of the team, I think, than Clarkson. I dont think leaving out Clarkson was an intended event. Magic also didnt talk about Zubac so no big deal.

Good interview. Thanks for posting.

One thing I loved is when Magic talked about IT and how they would not go clubbing but stay in the hotel, listen to games/interviews and talk all night long about basketball. Although I am sure he did his share of partying, good to see he stay focused on basketball. How else would teams want him involved in GS or Detroit or NY. Why would the Dodgers give him ownership. He is a winner and all those star now in the league will not only want to play for Magic and the Lakers (more than previously) but will want advice from him on life after basketball and pick his brains and get invoved with Magic the business man.


Don't take what Magic said too literally... Magic and Zeke weren't that close when they played. They weren't hanging out in the halls of hotels when they were playing against each other... They were legit rivals. Zeke had a lot of animosity for Magic. And Magic didn't do a whole lot to make things better...

And the Showtime Lakers were legendary for partying... As in hookers in the locker-rooms legendary... Magic may not have been the worst, but he sure as hell wasn't a choir boy either.


What?!?!?... Where you getting this from? These guys were best friends bro. They caught a lot of flack because they had a routine of kissing each other on the cheek before games. When Magic announced he had AIDS people started talking crap to Isaiah, because they were so close, trying to say that they must've been up to some weird crap if Magic got AIDS. It wasn't til then that Isaiah stopped talking to Magic... and only to stop people from talking crap to him about the AIDS thing.

Obviously you're just talking crap. But, even if you are... what's the point of saying all this? Magic has AIDS man... we know he didn't get it from attending church on Sunday. Who cares though? What's the point of your comments? Other than to try to discredit that entire interview by saying the Lakers had "hookers in the locker-rooms" 30 years ago.


I find it a little disturbing that you somehow got to Magic kissing Zeke on the cheek and AIDs out of what I posted...

But you're right dude... I made it all up:

http://www.gq.com/story/1980s-lakers-team-drugs-sex-life

http://deadspin.com/what-it-was-like-being-the-only-virgin-on-magics-hyper-1535483322
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Re: BREAKING: MAGIC JOHNSON NEW PRESIDENT OF THE LAKERS 

Post#355 » by lake_show » Sat Mar 4, 2017 5:13 am

Kilroy wrote:
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Kilroy wrote:
Don't take what Magic said too literally... Magic and Zeke weren't that close when they played. They weren't hanging out in the halls of hotels when they were playing against each other... They were legit rivals. Zeke had a lot of animosity for Magic. And Magic didn't do a whole lot to make things better...

And the Showtime Lakers were legendary for partying... As in hookers in the locker-rooms legendary... Magic may not have been the worst, but he sure as hell wasn't a choir boy either.


What?!?!?... Where you getting this from? These guys were best friends bro. They caught a lot of flack because they had a routine of kissing each other on the cheek before games. When Magic announced he had AIDS people started talking crap to Isaiah, because they were so close, trying to say that they must've been up to some weird crap if Magic got AIDS. It wasn't til then that Isaiah stopped talking to Magic... and only to stop people from talking crap to him about the AIDS thing.

Obviously you're just talking crap. But, even if you are... what's the point of saying all this? Magic has AIDS man... we know he didn't get it from attending church on Sunday. Who cares though? What's the point of your comments? Other than to try to discredit that entire interview by saying the Lakers had "hookers in the locker-rooms" 30 years ago.


I find it a little disturbing that you somehow got to Magic kissing Zeke on the cheek and AIDs out of what I posted...

But you're right dude... I made it all up:

http://www.gq.com/story/1980s-lakers-team-drugs-sex-life

http://deadspin.com/what-it-was-like-being-the-only-virgin-on-magics-hyper-1535483322


I find it a little disturbing that you missed my entire point... Which is, who cares?

What does any of that have to do with this thread? That interview? Or, that post?
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Post#356 » by Slava » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:25 am

Not sure why Magic keeps mentioning the new CBA so often.

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Post#357 » by AcecardZ » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:52 am

Slava wrote:Not sure why Magic keeps mentioning the new CBA so often.

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Because it wouldn't look good if Magic Tweeted "Adam Silver just informed Rob and I the ping pong balls will bounce favorably for us..." ???
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Re: BREAKING: MAGIC JOHNSON NEW PRESIDENT OF THE LAKERS 

Post#358 » by Kilroy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:26 pm

Slava wrote:Not sure why Magic keeps mentioning the new CBA so often.

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Yeah, it's starting to do the opposite of inspiring confidence...

That said, they might have been there to get a warning about sitting Mozgov and Deng.
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