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Post#261 » by Teffer10 » Thu Mar 2, 2017 9:36 pm

Lord Cuban wrote:02/03/2017 mock drafts (Mavericks):

DraftExpress: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
ESPN: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
Bleacher Report: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBADraft.Net: De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky| Freshman
CBS Sports: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBA Draft Room: Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky| Freshman
Tankathon: Frank Ntilikina, PG, France | 18


Although Markkanen would be a nice fit with Noel imo, it could present a problem with Barnes after Dirk retires.
Our pick should be starter material. I'm not sure any of those are starter material

Personally I'd consider Tatum over any of them. He could be groomed as Wes' replacement and has a pretty solid overall game.
I've seen comparisons from Battier to Pierce and I'm guessing he'll be somewhere in between.
Seems like a safe pick.
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Post#262 » by Jinra » Thu Mar 2, 2017 11:24 pm

I know it is just me, but something about a Barnes\Markkanen\Noel front-line that doesn't appeal to me. I still push for best available, but Markkanen leaves something to be desired in what I am hoping for in a PF, like hi-athletcism and defense. Ideally I would love to see an Ibaka type in whomever our starting PF is, if Barnes does not keep that spot. I want a true 2-way player who can bang and rebound; hit the wide open 3s and compliment Noel with disruption on D.
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Post#263 » by Teffer10 » Fri Mar 3, 2017 4:05 am

Since PG doesn't look possible in the draft I'd still take Tatum if he falls to us.

Tatum/Barnes/Noel is appealing to me as a front line because you have two 2-way players, a solid defender in the paint and nice offense at the guards with Yogi and Curry.
Rebounding might be an issue with that front line though.

No matter what this team desperately needs a banger of some kind though....just hate to waste a first round pick on one.
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Post#264 » by arkuo » Fri Mar 3, 2017 6:31 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Lord Cuban wrote:02/03/2017 mock drafts (Mavericks):

DraftExpress: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
ESPN: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
Bleacher Report: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBADraft.Net: De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky| Freshman
CBS Sports: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBA Draft Room: Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky| Freshman
Tankathon: Frank Ntilikina, PG, France | 18


Although Markkanen would be a nice fit with Noel imo, it could present a problem with Barnes after Dirk retires.
Our pick should be starter material. I'm not sure any of those are starter material

Personally I'd consider Tatum over any of them. He could be groomed as Wes' replacement and has a pretty solid overall game.
I've seen comparisons from Battier to Pierce and I'm guessing he'll be somewhere in between.
Seems like a safe pick.


Most mock drafts have us getting Markkanen because of fit. Drafting has always been about fit vs drafting available talent. In this case I'd go with talent. I'm just not comfortable with drafting Lauri at this point. I sure don't want him to be our Darko Milicic when there was Melo, Wade or Bosh available.
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Post#265 » by dirkforpres » Fri Mar 3, 2017 6:40 pm

arkuo wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:
Lord Cuban wrote:02/03/2017 mock drafts (Mavericks):

DraftExpress: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
ESPN: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
Bleacher Report: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBADraft.Net: De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky| Freshman
CBS Sports: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBA Draft Room: Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky| Freshman
Tankathon: Frank Ntilikina, PG, France | 18


Although Markkanen would be a nice fit with Noel imo, it could present a problem with Barnes after Dirk retires.
Our pick should be starter material. I'm not sure any of those are starter material

Personally I'd consider Tatum over any of them. He could be groomed as Wes' replacement and has a pretty solid overall game.
I've seen comparisons from Battier to Pierce and I'm guessing he'll be somewhere in between.
Seems like a safe pick.


Most mock drafts have us getting Markkanen because of fit. Drafting has always been about fit vs drafting available talent. In this case I'd go with talent. I'm just not comfortable with drafting Lauri at this point. I sure don't want him to be our Darko Milicic when there was Melo, Wade or Bosh available.


He will either be Darko or Porzingis, but he looks pretty good to me from what I've seen.. I don't think he would do very well here for the first couple years though behind Dirk and Noel, so I think we should look more at guards that could produce a better return. Dennis Smith and Malik Monk are the 2 guys I'd love to have (assuming Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Tatum, and Isaac aren't available)
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Post#266 » by Darren » Sat Mar 4, 2017 6:29 am

I think Portland will make their pick available for team to take on Evan Turner. I wonder if we're interested. For all his faults, he's only 28 yo. If they trade Turner and their pick for Wes, I think we should at least entertain the offer.
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Post#267 » by Lord Cuban » Sat Mar 4, 2017 8:58 am

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Post#268 » by Teffer10 » Sat Mar 4, 2017 6:56 pm

Darren wrote:I think Portland will make their pick available for team to take on Evan Turner. I wonder if we're interested. For all his faults, he's only 28 yo. If they trade Turner and their pick for Wes, I think we should at least entertain the offer.

I thought about that too but am on the fence with it.
Wes is a great veteran to have on this team that young guys respect.

But it would probably depend on who would be available when they pick.
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Post#269 » by Torgeir Bryn » Sat Mar 4, 2017 7:14 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Lord Cuban wrote:02/03/2017 mock drafts (Mavericks):

DraftExpress: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
ESPN: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
Bleacher Report: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBADraft.Net: De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky| Freshman
CBS Sports: Lauri Markkanen, PF, Arizona | Freshman
NBA Draft Room: Malik Monk, SG, Kentucky| Freshman
Tankathon: Frank Ntilikina, PG, France | 18


Although Markkanen would be a nice fit with Noel imo, it could present a problem with Barnes after Dirk retires.
Our pick should be starter material. I'm not sure any of those are starter material

Personally I'd consider Tatum over any of them. He could be groomed as Wes' replacement and has a pretty solid overall game.
I've seen comparisons from Battier to Pierce and I'm guessing he'll be somewhere in between.
Seems like a safe pick.


I think most draft places value Tatum over those guys as well, so he might not be available unless we have success in the lottery.
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Post#270 » by Lord Cuban » Sat Mar 4, 2017 11:15 pm

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Post#271 » by MoKingzki » Sun Mar 5, 2017 4:02 am

i just wanted to stay the mavericks need to draft Isaiah Hartenstein. im turned off from the fact that harrison barnes is trying to bum his way to play the 4 because the SF's keep locking his ass up. Isaiah Hartenstein is an Agile Pf with somewhat of a handle that can also shoot, he is a player that wants to do it ALL. everyone is saying Draft Lauri Markannen but he's only a stretch 4 like a montejunes and won't do anything for us, we need someone who can attack when defenders are closing out on him and take it to the rack or make a play and i feel like markannen is too slow to do that. look when barnes sets a screen he doesnt get wide open.

Go search Isaiah Hartenstein on Twitter and look at his highlights/clips that he retweeted or
watch this.

he weighs 249, Agile, can shoot, long and has good instincts on defense. i feel pairing him alongside nerlens will make a frightening front court and we have plenty of guards who can score. i believe he is the biggest Sleeper in this draft like Porzingis.
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Post#272 » by 2011Champs » Mon Mar 6, 2017 2:55 pm

MoKingzki wrote:i just wanted to stay the mavericks need to draft Isaiah Hartenstein. im turned off from the fact that harrison barnes is trying to bum his way to play the 4 because the SF's keep locking his ass up.

Hartenstein is a realistic option should the Mavs get into the playoffs. He should still be on the board mid first round. Hartenstein would be able to come along slowly with Dirk as a mentor next season.
Harrison Barnes does need to play the SF with only spot minutes at PF. Hopefully he can improve on his game enough where he can be as successful scoring at SF as PF. Dallas will never control the boards with Barnes at PF.
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Post#273 » by fuller4379 » Mon Mar 6, 2017 8:14 pm

Darren wrote:I think Portland will make their pick available for team to take on Evan Turner. I wonder if we're interested. For all his faults, he's only 28 yo. If they trade Turner and their pick for Wes, I think we should at least entertain the offer.


Portland forked out some stupid money to Turner and Ezeli last year. It seemed like everyone made dumb contracts because the increase in cap space was burning a hole into their pocket. The Mavs were guilty of that on Powell ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade contracts because we need money to keep Seth in 2018. If we have to move a contract to keep Seth, I think Wes Matthews could be moved much easier than Evan Turner.
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Post#274 » by dirkforpres » Mon Mar 6, 2017 8:26 pm

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Darren wrote:I think Portland will make their pick available for team to take on Evan Turner. I wonder if we're interested. For all his faults, he's only 28 yo. If they trade Turner and their pick for Wes, I think we should at least entertain the offer.


Portland forked out some stupid money to Turner and Ezeli last year. It seemed like everyone made dumb contracts because the increase in cap space was burning a hole into their pocket. The Mavs were guilty of that on Powell ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade contracts because we need money to keep Seth in 2018. If we have to move a contract to keep Seth, I think Wes Matthews could be moved much easier than Evan Turner.


Wes for Turner and the pick seems like it would work if Portland would do that. Regardless though, Curry is going nowhere so no need to worry
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Post#275 » by Dirk » Mon Mar 6, 2017 8:40 pm

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Darren wrote:I think Portland will make their pick available for team to take on Evan Turner. I wonder if we're interested. For all his faults, he's only 28 yo. If they trade Turner and their pick for Wes, I think we should at least entertain the offer.


Portland forked out some stupid money to Turner and Ezeli last year. It seemed like everyone made dumb contracts because the increase in cap space was burning a hole into their pocket. The Mavs were guilty of that on Powell ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade contracts because we need money to keep Seth in 2018. If we have to move a contract to keep Seth, I think Wes Matthews could be moved much easier than Evan Turner.

Portland overpaid on Turner/Crabbe. Ezeli was ok. They gave him 1 year, the 2nd year only has 1 million guaranteed. I don't see them trading their first round pick to dump Turner.

Matthews is a good player. I would have never paid to move him or trade him for misfits like Kanter. Now he should actually command positive value back. Thing is, his salary is high, so not exactly easy to work out a trade without you receiving a big salary back.

I would say no to a trade of Turner + pick for Matthews. Turner just doesn't fit. He is a guy that needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot from outside. I don't think it would be a good idea to add a long term salary like that for a guy who doesn't really fit this team. We always believe RC will work magic, but Turner is owed $53,606,557 after this year. That's ridiculous.

Trading Matthews makes some sense though, but only on a favourable deal, you get a pick/prospect plus expiring salary.
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Post#276 » by Teffer10 » Tue Mar 7, 2017 3:24 am

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fuller4379 wrote:
Darren wrote:I think Portland will make their pick available for team to take on Evan Turner. I wonder if we're interested. For all his faults, he's only 28 yo. If they trade Turner and their pick for Wes, I think we should at least entertain the offer.


Portland forked out some stupid money to Turner and Ezeli last year. It seemed like everyone made dumb contracts because the increase in cap space was burning a hole into their pocket. The Mavs were guilty of that on Powell ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade contracts because we need money to keep Seth in 2018. If we have to move a contract to keep Seth, I think Wes Matthews could be moved much easier than Evan Turner.

Portland overpaid on Turner/Crabbe. Ezeli was ok. They gave him 1 year, the 2nd year only has 1 million guaranteed. I don't see them trading their first round pick to dump Turner.

Matthews is a good player. I would have never paid to move him or trade him for misfits like Kanter. Now he should actually command positive value back. Thing is, his salary is high, so not exactly easy to work out a trade without you receiving a big salary back.

I would say no to a trade of Turner + pick for Matthews. Turner just doesn't fit. He is a guy that needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot from outside. I don't think it would be a good idea to add a long term salary like that for a guy who doesn't really fit this team. We always believe RC will work magic, but Turner is owed $53,606,557 after this year. That's ridiculous.

Trading Matthews makes some sense though, but only on a favourable deal, you get a pick/prospect plus expiring salary.

I've changed my thoughts about trading Wes. He may be overpaid but he is a great leader and influence on our young core. I honestly think Wes, Dirk, JJ and Devin will be good to have for a few more years until guys like Curry and Barnes clearly take over leadership roles. And its not like Wes is a huge liability like Powell.
Sure I'd trade him for the right deal but not sure taking on a horrible contract and giving up Wes is worth a mid-round draft pick....even in this draft.
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Post#277 » by 2011Champs » Tue Mar 7, 2017 2:18 pm

Teffer10 wrote:
Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
Portland forked out some stupid money to Turner and Ezeli last year. It seemed like everyone made dumb contracts because the increase in cap space was burning a hole into their pocket. The Mavs were guilty of that on Powell ridiculous contract. I wouldn't trade contracts because we need money to keep Seth in 2018. If we have to move a contract to keep Seth, I think Wes Matthews could be moved much easier than Evan Turner.

Portland overpaid on Turner/Crabbe. Ezeli was ok. They gave him 1 year, the 2nd year only has 1 million guaranteed. I don't see them trading their first round pick to dump Turner.

Matthews is a good player. I would have never paid to move him or trade him for misfits like Kanter. Now he should actually command positive value back. Thing is, his salary is high, so not exactly easy to work out a trade without you receiving a big salary back.

I would say no to a trade of Turner + pick for Matthews. Turner just doesn't fit. He is a guy that needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot from outside. I don't think it would be a good idea to add a long term salary like that for a guy who doesn't really fit this team. We always believe RC will work magic, but Turner is owed $53,606,557 after this year. That's ridiculous.

Trading Matthews makes some sense though, but only on a favourable deal, you get a pick/prospect plus expiring salary.

I've changed my thoughts about trading Wes. He may be overpaid but he is a great leader and influence on our young core. I honestly think Wes, Dirk, JJ and Devin will be good to have for a few more years until guys like Curry and Barnes clearly take over leadership roles. And its not like Wes is a huge liability like Powell.
Sure I'd trade him for the right deal but not sure taking on a horrible contract and giving up Wes is worth a mid-round draft pick....even in this draft.

I agree. Those four veterans and Rick Carlisle providing strong leadership is what differentiates the Mavs from teams like Minnesota and Philadelphia. Matthews isn't an above the rim player anymore and should be able to contribute for another six years or so. He Is better than anyone that we could draft late first round.

Powell isn't horrible as people make him out to be but with Dirk,Noel,Barnes,Mejri getting all the PF/C minutes he is the odd man out. I would think a team needing a backup PF/C, 18-22 minutes, would be happy to take Powell.
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Post#278 » by Jinra » Tue Mar 7, 2017 4:24 pm

I am just hoping that Dallas adds 2 more starters this off-season. That would be the jackpot. Then next year, move Dirk and Wes to the bench. If Yogi, Wes, DFS, Dirk, Mejri were the full time second unit, I believe that is what would propel Dallas to a top 6 team next year, having strong depth. As long as Dirk\Wes are still heavy hitters on this team, we will not be contenders.
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Post#279 » by Jinra » Tue Mar 7, 2017 9:51 pm

The more I think about it for where we are currently positioned in the draft, I am hoping for Frank Ntilikina. I think in order for me to be 100% comfortable with a starting backcourt that includes Seth Curry, a 6'6 PG definitely fits the bill. It would help to clear up the undersized guard matchups we currently face. Curry could guard the point while Ntilikina could take the big guard. Just observing that this is a scenario that would best compliment the team structure and fill a need.
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Post#280 » by Hadley » Wed Mar 8, 2017 8:37 am

The worse the pick gets the more you need to gamble. I'd go with a International, because they are not scouted that great and are more likely to outshine their Draft-Position.

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