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GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM)

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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#241 » by NatP4 » Sat Mar 4, 2017 2:57 pm

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TheKingOfVa360 wrote:Wall has to stop shooting so much on nights when he isn't red hot. Porter needs more shot attempts.


Wall has taken 20+ shots in 4 of the last 6 games while shooting like crap. Nice to see him makes some 3s finally but he needs to tone down the shot jacking.


37%(!!) on 19 shots per game in his last 10 games. His +/- is down, his steals went way down. Nothing changed with the rest of the team after all star break, John has just been really bad and has decided he wants to just start chucking.

0 assists in the first half last night after he hit some jumpshots early, and it wasn't surprising at all.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#242 » by dckingsfan » Sat Mar 4, 2017 2:58 pm

NatP4 wrote:John Wall is shooting 39% overall and 30% from 3 in his last 15 games. Also averaging 4.4 turnovers in that stretch.

All-Star hangover?
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#243 » by NatP4 » Sat Mar 4, 2017 3:07 pm

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NatP4 wrote:John Wall is shooting 39% overall and 30% from 3 in his last 15 games. Also averaging 4.4 turnovers in that stretch.

All-Star hangover?



We've played 5 games since all star break.

More like "we're good now so I can start chucking instead of playing the right way."

John walls career playoff shot totals:
2013-2014: 14.9
2014-2015: 15.7
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#244 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Sat Mar 4, 2017 4:19 pm

NatP4 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
TheKingOfVa360 wrote:Wall has to stop shooting so much on nights when he isn't red hot. Porter needs more shot attempts.


Wall has taken 20+ shots in 4 of the last 6 games while shooting like crap. Nice to see him makes some 3s finally but he needs to tone down the shot jacking.


37%(!!) on 19 shots per game in his last 10 games. His +/- is down, his steals went way down. Nothing changed with the rest of the team after all star break, John has just been really bad and has decided he wants to just start chucking.

0 assists in the first half last night after he hit some jumpshots early, and it wasn't surprising at all.



Wall is killing the flow of the team. Other guys are going without shots so Wall can brick 20 mid range shots and layups every game.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#245 » by GotEm » Sat Mar 4, 2017 4:28 pm

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Yes, Wiz will offer on day one. Dude is leading the NBA in 3FG%

Jared Dudley led the league (or was very close to it) as well in 3FG% once as well but he did not receive a max offer.

I think it's weird that people ignore everything else that Porter does and just look at his 3FG% as the reason for why he should get a max contract. Kyle Korver, Channing Frye, JJ Redick, Danny Green, and Marco Bellenlli are some of the greatest shooters the NBA has seen in recent years and yet none of them have and will never ever receive max contract offers.

Perhaps it's you who should look at "everything else that Porter does." He's one of the best 3s in the league. Durant, James & Leonard are better, but I think that's where it stops. People who over-value PPG will want to add Gordon Hayward, who is outstanding as well. But overall Porter is the better player -- helps his team win games more than Hayward helps the Jazz win games.

The guys you mention are irrelevant to whether Porter gets a max. Otto Porter is 23. & he's not a 3-pt. specialist, he's a tremendous player overall who has room to grow and all his peak career years ahead of him. He's a no-brainer for a max contract.

Wow you completely missed my point. My point was that Porter does many other things well too, why only point at his 3pt% as the sole reason for why he should get a max contract?

Porter is a really good player. I think people who only point out his 3pt% is being disrespectful to Porter himself because it's not like he's just a shooter like Korver or Reddick or whoever.

He should absolutely get a max contract but it isn't just because of his 3pt% like many here seem to think so.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#246 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 5, 2017 5:42 pm

GotEm wrote:
payitforward wrote:
GotEm wrote:Jared Dudley led the league (or was very close to it) as well in 3FG% once as well but he did not receive a max offer.

I think it's weird that people ignore everything else that Porter does and just look at his 3FG% as the reason for why he should get a max contract. Kyle Korver, Channing Frye, JJ Redick, Danny Green, and Marco Bellenlli are some of the greatest shooters the NBA has seen in recent years and yet none of them have and will never ever receive max contract offers.

Perhaps it's you who should look at "everything else that Porter does." He's one of the best 3s in the league. Durant, James & Leonard are better, but I think that's where it stops. People who over-value PPG will want to add Gordon Hayward, who is outstanding as well. But overall Porter is the better player -- helps his team win games more than Hayward helps the Jazz win games.

The guys you mention are irrelevant to whether Porter gets a max. Otto Porter is 23. & he's not a 3-pt. specialist, he's a tremendous player overall who has room to grow and all his peak career years ahead of him. He's a no-brainer for a max contract.

Wow you completely missed my point. My point was that Porter does many other things well too, why only point at his 3pt% as the sole reason for why he should get a max contract?

Porter is a really good player. I think people who only point out his 3pt% is being disrespectful to Porter himself because it's not like he's just a shooter like Korver or Reddick or whoever.

He should absolutely get a max contract but it isn't just because of his 3pt% like many here seem to think so.

Oh Duh! You are right -- I whiffed completely. I'm an idiot & you are exactly correct!
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#247 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 5, 2017 5:43 pm

Worth noting that Markieff's numbers have slowly but surely begun to revert to the mean of his career.... :(
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#248 » by Meliorus » Sun Mar 5, 2017 5:48 pm

payitforward wrote:Worth noting that Markieff's numbers have slowly but surely begun to revert to the mean of his career.... :(


Morris playing like his old self makes us a .500 team. No surprise that we're 2-3 since the break.

Live and die by Markieff Morris.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#249 » by payitforward » Sun Mar 5, 2017 6:02 pm

Meliorus wrote:
payitforward wrote:Worth noting that Markieff's numbers have slowly but surely begun to revert to the mean of his career.... :(

Morris playing like his old self makes us a .500 team. No surprise that we're 2-3 since the break.

Live and die by Markieff Morris.

Well... that might be just a little strong. But, given he logs 30+ minutes a game, the better he plays the more we'll win.

Hey... don't we have a game w/ Orlando this afternoon? I'm in London; not starting a game thread from here! Come on someone....

This is an important game, along w/ the coming week in which we play 5 games vs. Western Conference teams (not the strongest ones, thankfully).

We need to go 4-2 at the very least (then come home & beat Dallas & Chicago) to stay confident of holding on to the 3d position in the East.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#250 » by J-Ves » Sun Mar 5, 2017 6:46 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
NatP4 wrote:John Wall is shooting 39% overall and 30% from 3 in his last 15 games. Also averaging 4.4 turnovers in that stretch.

All-Star hangover?

He hurt a finger on his shooting hand a while back, I think that is the more likely culprit.

It's not all bad though, his floor game has been outstanding lately.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#251 » by nuposse04 » Sun Mar 5, 2017 7:21 pm

payitforward wrote:
Meliorus wrote:
payitforward wrote:Worth noting that Markieff's numbers have slowly but surely begun to revert to the mean of his career.... :(

Morris playing like his old self makes us a .500 team. No surprise that we're 2-3 since the break.

Live and die by Markieff Morris.

Well... that might be just a little strong. But, given he logs 30+ minutes a game, the better he plays the more we'll win.

Hey... don't we have a game w/ Orlando this afternoon? I'm in London; not starting a game thread from here! Come on someone....

This is an important game, along w/ the coming week in which we play 5 games vs. Western Conference teams (not the strongest ones, thankfully).

We need to go 4-2 at the very least (then come home & beat Dallas & Chicago) to stay confident of holding on to the 3d position in the East.

4-2 would be nice but I'm expecting one let down game. 3-3 seems likely until Wall and Porter start hitting some more shots readily post all star break. Porter's TS Post all star break is .50% I think he will bring it up slowly.
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Re: GT #60: Raptors @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#252 » by pcbothwel » Sun Mar 5, 2017 7:38 pm

Meliorus wrote:
payitforward wrote:Worth noting that Markieff's numbers have slowly but surely begun to revert to the mean of his career.... :(


Morris playing like his old self makes us a .500 team. No surprise that we're 2-3 since the break.

Live and die by Markieff Morris.


I dont really see the trend. Kieff over his last ten games is averaging 17 & 6.5 while shooting 44% from 3.

I mean, he was terrible against Utah and had below average games against Toronto, but a couple of games is hardly "Reverting to the mean"

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