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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#21 » by Def Swami » Tue Mar 7, 2017 9:36 pm

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just wondering, what exactly do you envision a Pres of Basketball Operations doing? having the power to do?

Depends on the needs of the franchise and who else is around them. Ideally, I'd like the relationship that I outlined above. A GM who takes care of player transactions, scouting, drafting, trades, free agency, cap management, resource allocation. I'd hope a GM had a PBO to report to (instead of Alex Martins) for final say on basketball decisions and financial decisions, while also offering advice. Similar to how Pat Riley and Andy Elisburg work or Larry Bird and Kevin Pritchard or Jerry West (Not president, but plays the role I envision) and Bob Meyers.


you outlined what you think the GM should do, still not hearing what the PBO responsibilities should be, except having the GM report to them. unless it is just that catch all - all basketball decisions.

I outlined what I believe the relationship should be pretty clearly. Let the PBO be the link between ownership and the GM, enable them to have final say on basketball and financial decisions (instead of Martins or ownership), offer advice and guidance for building a team and culture, and participate in agent/player meetings to get deals done. I see the PBO and GM as more similar than unalike, but with the PBO more overseeing things from a birds eye view. Essentially, I want the PBO to take whatever basketball role that Alex Martins has right now, while fostering a vision and culture in accordance with the GM, and help complete deals.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#22 » by silent1900 » Tue Mar 7, 2017 9:38 pm

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Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#23 » by PrimeThyme » Tue Mar 7, 2017 10:22 pm

I don't know if Dennis Scott is the guy but I think he's right when he said we need a major culture change. We need something to get excited about again as fans. We need somebody to breathe new life into our organization. I think the best way to do that is to clean house and to get some better basketball minds in there.
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Post#24 » by shadrock » Tue Mar 7, 2017 11:58 pm

This actually petrifies me because I think its the kind of bull$hit sentimental crap that Martins would think was a great idea.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#25 » by OrlandoDream » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:08 am

Might as well give mark Jackson an interview too.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#26 » by shadrock » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:10 am

Def Swami wrote:Myself and others have advocated that this team needs a President of Basketball Operations. I don't believe we have had someone fulfill that role since Bob Vander Weide left. It would be nice to have another experienced basketball mind who has relationships in the league with other GM's, agents, and players in the mold of Pat Riley, Larry Bird, or Doc Rivers. I think Hennigan did an excellent job acquiring assets, but always failed to make the deal to consolidate them into a cohesive team that makes sense. I don't think most of that is for lack of trying, but I think a lot of deals in the NBA happen because of networking and relationships that Hennigan never came in with. Having someone who has been well connected for some time would be helpful.

The appearance is that Alex Martins, who I think has done a lot of great things for the franchise in terms of public relations and business, is the next in line after Rob Hennigan in terms of making basketball decisions before getting to ownership. Given his inexperience with roster management or playing, that simply shouldn't be the case. I'm not sure why he's even in the Draft Day war room.

Dennis Scott makes a good point. There isn't any buzz or excitement around this team. It's one of the last teams League Pass fans want to watch. And that's mainly because there isn't an all-world talent like Shaq, Penny, T-Mac, or Dwight that defined every decade of Magic basketball up to this point. Even without that, there isn't much to be excited about outside of this year's draft pick and I think that perception of the franchise permeates throughout the NBA. A massive culture change is in order and that starts at the top of every successful organization.

Our ownership has been gracious for opening their wallets, but they've made several missteps in hiring people inexperienced for their positions, meddling to close to basketball decision-making, and player management (in the past). The DeVos family isn't going anywhere, but I think the bridge between the GM and the family needs to fortified with more competence and experience. The thing I've noticed about ownership is they like to hire people they trust. They have a history of hiring folks they are comfortable with, including John Weisbrod as GM, Otis Smith as GM, Bob Vander Weide as CEO, re-hiring Brian Hill as coach, hiring Jacque Vaughn as coach, hiring Scott Skiles as coach, Bo Outlaw and Nick Anderson as Ambassadors (no qualms), and of course Alex Martins as CEO.

When the Lakers hired Magic Johnson, I thought it was a weird hire given his background. But, I gave it more thought and realized they hired Rob Pelinka to be the new GM, and realized it's actually not a bad hire at all. I think that's a good relationship to have; a GM who takes care of the nitty gritty player management, scouting, drafting, trades, free agency, and cap management. I also think it helps to have a powerhouse above him to offer advice here and there, use his or her relationships to close deals, attract free agents, and set the cultural tone for the franchise.

I don't know if Scott is a great candidate for that kind of role, but I could see where this could be heading and I wouldn't mind it if an experienced GM was in place as well. Ultimately, that buzz that Scott talks about will return once the Magic acquires top tier talent, and that will still most likely come through the draft and trades. Someone who fits the role I've described that would also be familiar with the DeVos family is Doc Rivers. The Clippers are bound for murky waters with Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, and JJ Redick all hitting free agency this summer and another likely 1st or 2nd round playoff exit. I wouldn't be surprised if Rivers was let go by the end of the season and the Clippers decided to go in a different direction. Offering Rivers a Riley like position in Orlando, where he still resides, could be somewhat enticing to him. It's just a thought.

Nevertheless, I while I think 3D may not be the man for the job, he makes some good points that I think the Magic could benefit from.


D Scott saying that there isn't much excitement about the team is just stating the glaringly obvious. I don't really see anything that Hennigan could realistically have done (don't mention picking Giannis ffs) with the tools he has had to date, that would have gotten us there. We had excitement in 1995 because we had two #1 picks and drafted Shaq and C Webb (Penny), then we had excitement with Dwight because we got the #1 pick and drafted him as well. Henny hasn't gotten a #1 pick yet, but if he did he may have gotten us Simmons or Wiggins or Towns, and then we would have excitement. Lets not make this out to be something that is created by management, the excitement comes from the chance to win, and 90% of that for a market like ours is dependant on lottery luck. Lets hope we get the #1 this year and then all of a sudden there will be excitement again.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#27 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:16 am

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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#28 » by anothermagicfan » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:54 am

I'd love for Alex Martin's to call me up and ask me to run the magic too.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#29 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:55 am

Yes please!!!

He's got the cred from his years doing NBA TV and was a great icon for our franchise. I'm all about this.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#30 » by Xatticus » Wed Mar 8, 2017 1:27 am

Ask him about the rage inside of him. A disagreement about his contract led to him ranting at a bunch of 10-year-olds and his subsequent departure from the team. Even if what he was saying was true, he wouldn't be high on my list of former players for the task.

I don't buy his argument anyway. This is nothing new, except in that Magic Johnson is still a big name. How did the Isiah Thomas tenure in New York work out? There are plenty of former players in front offices around the league. Many of them were far more relevant as players than Scott was. All this franchise needs to reinvigorate its fan base is a source of hope. We might have a better shot at getting one this summer, but Vogel would rather try to teach Jeff Green how to win.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#31 » by fendilim » Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:18 am

Sounds like a great sidekick though (shaqtin) but dont seem to be great in a lead role whenever the Starters give him the chance to interview players or whatever.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#32 » by Big A All Day » Wed Mar 8, 2017 2:20 am

I've never heard 3D say anything positive about the Magic. Lol at the thought of him being our GM.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#33 » by JF5 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:04 am

I want someone with ACTUAL experience to come in here if Hennigan is let go... and a President of Basketball operations... Martin needs to step aside and really really needs to stay out of the BB decisions (Ala Signing Skiles, forcing a trade of an asset for a short sighted goal of making the playoffs (Tobias Harris), FIRING Skiles, then Hiring Vogel all in the same year).
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#34 » by Gomagic44 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:10 am

I can't believe someone hasn't posted that local news story of 3D flipping out on the kids basketball camp! :lol: It's pure magic! and cocaine! :lol:
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Post#35 » by Gomagic44 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 3:15 am

JF5 wrote:I want someone with ACTUAL experience to come in here if Hennigan is let go... and a President of Basketball operations... Martin needs to step aside and really really needs to stay out of the BB decisions (Ala Signing Skiles, forcing a trade of an asset for a short sighted goal of making the playoffs (Tobias Harris), FIRING Skiles, then Hiring Vogel all in the same year).


Scott Skiles was not FIRED, he QUIT on us. Lol, he saw this train wreck a coming.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#36 » by Max Power » Wed Mar 8, 2017 4:07 am

I've been saying this same thing for weeks. Whoever the GM is needs to answer to a basketball man, then to Martin's beyond that. Martin's is the Magics executive, and does a great job, but he has no business making basketball decisions, i.e. Coaches, roster etc. I actually think Grant Hill would have been a great candidate for the role of President of Basketball Ops here, but he's a Hawks minority owner I believe. I honestly think Bill Laimbeer would be a strong candidate.


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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#37 » by JF5 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 4:08 am

Gomagic44 wrote:
JF5 wrote:I want someone with ACTUAL experience to come in here if Hennigan is let go... and a President of Basketball operations... Martin needs to step aside and really really needs to stay out of the BB decisions (Ala Signing Skiles, forcing a trade of an asset for a short sighted goal of making the playoffs (Tobias Harris), FIRING Skiles, then Hiring Vogel all in the same year).


Scott Skiles was not FIRED, he QUIT on us. Lol, he saw this train wreck a coming.


Even if you go with the narrative that Skiles quit on this team ... Regardless, it looks awful on Martin given he hired him without Rob's knowledge. AND the fact that he was essentially guaranteed position and still quit after one season shows that Skiles isn't exactly equipped to be coach/leader for a young squad that is developing.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#38 » by Gomagic44 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 4:47 am

JF5 wrote:
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JF5 wrote:I want someone with ACTUAL experience to come in here if Hennigan is let go... and a President of Basketball operations... Martin needs to step aside and really really needs to stay out of the BB decisions (Ala Signing Skiles, forcing a trade of an asset for a short sighted goal of making the playoffs (Tobias Harris), FIRING Skiles, then Hiring Vogel all in the same year).


Scott Skiles was not FIRED, he QUIT on us. Lol, he saw this train wreck a coming.


Even if you go with the narrative that Skiles quit on this team ... Regardless, it looks awful on Martin given he hired him without Rob's knowledge. AND the fact that he was essentially guaranteed position and still quit after one season shows that Skiles isn't exactly equipped to be coach/leader for a young squad that is developing.


There is no narrative, he quit.
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Post#39 » by Gomagic44 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 5:51 am

For posterity sake, someone please post that video now.
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Re: Dennis Scott Wants to be our next GM 

Post#40 » by mityamag » Wed Mar 8, 2017 9:06 am

Dennis Scott is more famous and respectful than Hennigan, that's for sure

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