The Washington Redskins Thread

Wizardspride · Post #41 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Mar 8, 2017 11:51 pm

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TGW · Post #42 » by **TGW** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 12:55 am

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Why not? He should enjoy watching them fail together.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #43 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 1:35 am

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Why not? He should enjoy watching them fail together.

I'd take the 9ers' next two number one picks and trust that Mcloughan will rebuild the team with good picks... wait. Oh, never mind.

AFM · Post #44 » by **AFM** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 1:36 am

Why does Cousins want to leave? Is it money?

popper · Post #45 » by **popper** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 1:40 am

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Damn. Snyder always stands in the way of this franchise. I wish he would just sell but I know that will never happen.

Wizardspride · Post #46 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:04 am

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Wizardspride · Post #47 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:05 am

AFM wrote:Why does Cousins want to leave? Is it money?

His contract is part of the reason but also, he just seems to have a rapport with Kyle Shanahan (San Fran).

TGW · Post #48 » by **TGW** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 5:01 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
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Why not? He should enjoy watching them fail together.

I'd take the 9ers' next two number one picks and trust that Mcloughan will rebuild the team with good picks... wait. Oh, never mind.

Yea that's the big problem right there.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #49 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 5:04 am

It's all speculation. Reporters float BS constantly. Remember, Tony Romo was going to get Dallas the #2 overall pick a couple of days ago.

But I'll say this, if Kirk actually wants to leave DC for the 49ers, he's a complete dumbass. Yes leave a team where you were successful and played behind a beast of an offensive line to go to a **** terrible team where you'll get lit up. Piss away your shot at a long career as a starter.

Dark Faze · Post #50 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:22 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:It's all speculation. Reporters float BS constantly. Remember, Tony Romo was going to get Dallas the #2 overall pick a couple of days ago.

But I'll say this, if Kirk actually wants to leave DC for the 49ers, he's a complete dumbass. Yes leave a team where you were successful and played behind a beast of an offensive line to go to a **** terrible team where you'll get lit up. Piss away your shot at a long career as a starter.

Eh I don't know about all that. He's having his first kid and the Bay + Shanahan + Garcon offer some familiarity and even better a lack of dysfunction. What is there in DC? D-Jax is gone and Garcon is gone. All he has on offense is Crowder. Jordan Reed is a single concussion away from deciding to go back to school for his masters in communications. The Skins are hardly the place to bank on for a long career in anything besides a chance to get your own 4 hour talk show slot on the radio.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know how far away the niners are away from being good, its probably a ways, but the skins suck.

Saqs · Post #51 » by **Saqs** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:33 pm

As a lifetime Skins fan.....they may have finally sent my fandom to the coffin. Utter and strict buffoonery goin on in the front office.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #52 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:53 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:It's all speculation. Reporters float BS constantly. Remember, Tony Romo was going to get Dallas the #2 overall pick a couple of days ago.

But I'll say this, if Kirk actually wants to leave DC for the 49ers, he's a complete dumbass. Yes leave a team where you were successful and played behind a beast of an offensive line to go to a **** terrible team where you'll get lit up. Piss away your shot at a long career as a starter.

Eh I don't know about all that. He's having his first kid and the Bay + Shanahan + Garcon offer some familiarity and even better a lack of dysfunction. What is there in DC? D-Jax is gone and Garcon is gone. All he has on offense is Crowder. Jordan Reed is a single concussion away from deciding to go back to school for his masters in communications. The Skins are hardly the place to bank on for a long career in anything besides a chance to get your own 4 hour talk show slot on the radio.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know how far away the niners are away from being good, its probably a ways, but the skins suck.

We have one of the best offensive lines in the league and a system in which he was successful. A QB should never willingly leave that. If Kirk gets traded, I'd be shocked if he remained successful. It almost never happens.

Dark Faze · Post #53 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 2:58 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:We have one of the best offensive lines in the league and a system in which he was successful. A QB should never willingly leave that. If Kirk gets traded, I'd be shocked if he remained successful. It almost never happens.

The only thing you can really grade this offensive line on is run blocking because they have very little pressure to offer strong pass protection with this QB and this scheme. Kirk gets rid of the ball so quickly and the plays are designed for that--so basically you've got to let a guy through right off the snap to get a bad pass pro grade in this offense.

Where we can really judge the line is the run block--and we're trash at it. Can't run the ball for anything. This offensive line is probably just average. Kirk and the scheme makes them look better than they are.

Kyle has already proven his skill as a coordinator. Kirk doesn't have to worry about that.

Benjammin · Post #54 » by **Benjammin** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 3:07 pm

In the immortal words of that philosopher/poet Micheal Ray Richardson, "The ship be sinking."

Upper Decker · Post #55 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 3:32 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:It's all speculation. Reporters float BS constantly. Remember, Tony Romo was going to get Dallas the #2 overall pick a couple of days ago.

But I'll say this, if Kirk actually wants to leave DC for the 49ers, he's a complete dumbass. Yes leave a team where you were successful and played behind a beast of an offensive line to go to a **** terrible team where you'll get lit up. Piss away your shot at a long career as a starter.

It was reported that Allen floated this rumor to distract the media from the dysfunction. Ian Rappaport isn't some blogger in the basement. He's a front line reporter and was the one who tweeted the romo / cousins / pick rumor.

Upper Decker · Post #56 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 3:38 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:It's all speculation. Reporters float BS constantly. Remember, Tony Romo was going to get Dallas the #2 overall pick a couple of days ago.

But I'll say this, if Kirk actually wants to leave DC for the 49ers, he's a complete dumbass. Yes leave a team where you were successful and played behind a beast of an offensive line to go to a **** terrible team where you'll get lit up. Piss away your shot at a long career as a starter.

Eh I don't know about all that. He's having his first kid and the Bay + Shanahan + Garcon offer some familiarity and even better a lack of dysfunction. What is there in DC? D-Jax is gone and Garcon is gone. All he has on offense is Crowder. Jordan Reed is a single concussion away from deciding to go back to school for his masters in communications. The Skins are hardly the place to bank on for a long career in anything besides a chance to get your own 4 hour talk show slot on the radio.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know how far away the niners are away from being good, its probably a ways, but the skins suck.

We have one of the best offensive lines in the league and a system in which he was successful. A QB should never willingly leave that. If Kirk gets traded, I'd be shocked if he remained successful. It almost never happens.

By and large offensive lines are good, average, or bad based on the quarterback. 2014 is a great example. Look at the sack percentages for RG3, McCoy, and Cousins. Same line, all of them had radically different sack percentage rates. If the o-line was really one of the best in the league, they'd have a better run game, which they didn't. Wherever Cousins goes, he'll make the o-line look better than they really are because the way he operates an offense.

Dark Faze · Post #57 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 3:46 pm

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Damn. Snyder always stands in the way of this franchise. I wish he would just sell but I know that will never happen.

can you imagine if they were offering #2 and another first and we declined because of dan

Dark Faze · Post #58 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 4:12 pm

yikes

starting to sound like Scot is fine health wise and this IS just a power struggle thing

k thats fine, I'll wait to see how the off-season pans out, if its not to my liking I'll happily walk away from this team

stevemcqueen1 · Post #59 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 4:37 pm

Upper Decker wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
Eh I don't know about all that. He's having his first kid and the Bay + Shanahan + Garcon offer some familiarity and even better a lack of dysfunction. What is there in DC? D-Jax is gone and Garcon is gone. All he has on offense is Crowder. Jordan Reed is a single concussion away from deciding to go back to school for his masters in communications. The Skins are hardly the place to bank on for a long career in anything besides a chance to get your own 4 hour talk show slot on the radio.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know how far away the niners are away from being good, its probably a ways, but the skins suck.

We have one of the best offensive lines in the league and a system in which he was successful. A QB should never willingly leave that. If Kirk gets traded, I'd be shocked if he remained successful. It almost never happens.

By and large offensive lines are good, average, or bad based on the quarterback. 2014 is a great example. Look at the sack percentages for RG3, McCoy, and Cousins. Same line, all of them had radically different sack percentage rates. If the o-line was really one of the best in the league, they'd have a better run game, which they didn't. Wherever Cousins goes, he'll make the o-line look better than they really are because the way he operates an offense.

That's ridiculous. The OL play can be and in fact is evaluated independently of QB play. OLs are graded on the difficulty and successful execution of their assignments. In 2014 the OL was not good, regardless of what was going on at QB. In 2016 it was excellent. The reason for the change wasn't the QB, it was adding Scherff, Moses, and Long, all of whom we became much better players than their predecessors.

If Cousins goes to a team with a trash OL, he's going to get lit up and look like crap. Every QB struggles under those circumstances. Peyton Manning was one of the greatest QBs in the history of the sport and he went from throwing 50 TDs to crap when his OL fell apart and the team changed coaches and changed to a system he couldn't run. Every QB's success depends upon his situation. Kirk would be crazy to willingly leave a proven good situation for any other, much less one as up in the air as San Francisco's.

Wizardspride · Post #60 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Mar 9, 2017 4:47 pm

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