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Re: Big Sauce 

Post#41 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:56 am

kennydorglas wrote:2 steals per100 (same as Bledsoe and Chriss, only Ulis has a higher rate)


That's weird considering Warren was among league leaders in the beginning of the year. I'm surprised he's dropped off so much. I know he did after coming back for awhile, and I don't notice them quite as much as before, but I thought he was one of our best at steals.
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Re: Big Sauce 

Post#42 » by kennydorglas » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:54 pm

Interesting enough, he graded at least average in all of his four years in Santa Barbara
Pretty amazing that he went undrafted... in his early years he played with almost 280~290lbs tho

19yo
as a PF = 58th %
as a C = 54th %

20yo
PF = 54th %
C = 51th %

21yo
PF = 58th %
C = 62th %

22yo
PF = 59th %
C = 57th %

PS: Derrick Jones Jr. graded above average as a 18yo too (53th %, very weird to see this guys slip like that
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Post#43 » by bigfoot » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:31 pm

DaleyBlind wrote:
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DaleyBlind wrote:I dont have any stats on this, but just watching him play he has horrible rim protection, he could never be a starter


I dont know how he does that... but he has some interesting numbers:

5.1 BLK%
48.8% defending the rim
23.8 TRB%

105 DRtg with him in the floor (112 as a team)
positive DBPM and RPM in defense

2 steals per100 (same as Bledsoe and Chriss, only Ulis has a higher rate)


Wow, thats pretty good...


Yes the defensive numbers are interesting. He has the best DRtg on the team. It must have to do with his long arms and basketball smarts. Len sucked as reserve all season long and really isn't doing that well as a starter.

Just comparing the two per 36 min or 100 possessions Williams dominates Len across the board other than FT% ... https://tinyurl.com/j9guq83 and remember most of Len's minutes have been in a reserve role so the comparison holds up even better.

and this begs the question ... who to pay Len or Williams. I think I would rather see a Chandler/Williams rotation instead of a Chandler/Len rotation.
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Post#44 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:51 pm

bigfoot wrote:
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kennydorglas wrote:
I dont know how he does that... but he has some interesting numbers:

5.1 BLK%
48.8% defending the rim
23.8 TRB%

105 DRtg with him in the floor (112 as a team)
positive DBPM and RPM in defense

2 steals per100 (same as Bledsoe and Chriss, only Ulis has a higher rate)


Wow, thats pretty good...


Yes the defensive numbers are interesting. He has the best DRtg on the team. It must have to do with his long arms and basketball smarts. Len sucked as reserve all season long and really isn't doing that well as a starter.

Just comparing the two per 36 min or 100 possessions Williams dominates Len across the board other than FT% ... https://tinyurl.com/j9guq83 and remember most of Len's minutes have been in a reserve role so the comparison holds up even better.

and this begs the question ... who to pay Len or Williams. I think I would rather see a Chandler/Williams rotation instead of a Chandler/Len rotation.


Williams has played his way into next year's rotation. If the stories are true about Tyson (that we had an offer from a contender) then we have the choice of starting Len, Chandler, or someone else entirely next season... After giving the idea its due consideration, I have concluded that bw's notion of keeping all three is untenable. As the forum's Front Row Fan, I move to table that idea. :)
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Post#45 » by bigfoot » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:03 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
Wow, thats pretty good...


Yes the defensive numbers are interesting. He has the best DRtg on the team. It must have to do with his long arms and basketball smarts. Len sucked as reserve all season long and really isn't doing that well as a starter.

Just comparing the two per 36 min or 100 possessions Williams dominates Len across the board other than FT% ... https://tinyurl.com/j9guq83 and remember most of Len's minutes have been in a reserve role so the comparison holds up even better.

and this begs the question ... who to pay Len or Williams. I think I would rather see a Chandler/Williams rotation instead of a Chandler/Len rotation.


Williams has played his way into next year's rotation. If the stories are true about Tyson (that we had an offer from a contender) then we have the choice of starting Len, Chandler, or someone else entirely next season... After giving the idea its due consideration, I have concluded that bw's notion of keeping all three is untenable. As the forum's Front Row Fan, I move to table that idea. :)


I agree it does not make sense to sign both Len and Williams and as I stated would rather see a Chandler/Williams rotation. I think either of Bender or Chriss could handle backup-backup duties or we get another big with one of our second round picks. I'm leaning towards Jonathan Isaac for our 1st round pick if we drop to the 6th pick which gives us more height but with his handles he could manage the SF position too.

What is sad is I don't see how we can get any value out of Len. Can't trade him ... unlikely we could sign or trade him. Really a complete bust as a #5 pick.
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Post#46 » by MathiasPW » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:46 pm

Not completely sure in regards to stats, but I think Len/Williams is a better duo complementing each other than Chandler/Williams or Chandler/Len.

Williams substitutes Chandler rebounding fairly well and provides value in the offensive end, while Len is a better rim protector than Chandler. We could use Len/Williams in more different scenarios within a game that any of the other combos.
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Post#47 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:58 pm

MathiasPW wrote:Not completely sure in regards to stats, but I think Len/Williams is a better duo complementing each other than Chandler/Williams or Chandler/Len.

Williams substitutes Chandler rebounding fairly well and provides value in the offensive end, while Len is a better rim protector than Chandler. We could use Len/Williams in more different scenarios within a game that any of the other combos.


I agree that in terms of what they bring to the table on the court, Len/Williams is better. If you factor in leadership, Chandler/Williams might come out on top. And if we did draft a center, then that pushes me entirely towards Chandler/Williams.

I think we can get a second or two for Len's RFA rights... I've expressed this before: if Len does not receive a hefty offer, we'd be in a position to match his contract without much difficulty. An RFA bidder, knowing this, might offer us a second or two in order to get us to hand Alex over. If Alex did receive a substantial offer, then we'd have to choose between Alex and Tyson - again, the central issue for me at that point becomes whether we just drafted a center.

When looking at C prospects, IMO, the most important factor is physical tools, and the second most important is mental makeup. Robert Williams nearly matches Hassan Whiteside's height and wingspan, jumps higher, but isn't an **** like Hassan, is a better passer, and is possibly still growing. So, yeah, I'm really hyped on him. For me, this draft is all about the 1 and 5 spots. I'm lower on Ball and Smith than many, but higher on Ntilikina than most. I'm also sensitive to the notion that if we draft a guard, ideally, they guard would be able to guard both 1s and 2s. Fultz and Ntilikina fit that profile. Ball and Smith do not. Plus, with Ball or Smith, we'd be forced to move Bledsoe pretty much immediately, whereas Ntilikina can be developed more slowly.
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Post#48 » by MathiasPW » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:03 pm

I would be happy with a draft of Ntilikina and Williams, and that is only knowing physical measures on Williams.
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Post#49 » by NTB » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:12 pm

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Post#54 » by bwgood77 » Sat May 13, 2017 1:24 am

That’s the thing about my mom. She worked full time serving the community as a police officer (she was appointed the police chief of the Phoenix Police Department in 2016). She’s an incredible cook – you have to try her homemade tacos one day. And she has unquestionably been the biggest force into making me the man that I am today and helping me live my dreams.

When I got the call to join the Phoenix Suns, my mom was my first call – and her reaction was overwhelming. She cried. She screamed. It was awesome, to be able to share that moment with her was one that I’ll never be able to forget. I had had a workout earlier that week that I thought went super poorly. I called her on the phone and was just distraught because I thought I blew it. But she told me to just calm down. And lo and behold, the Suns called and told me they were interested and I called her back to tell her the news. She told me I deserved it and to take advantage of the opportunity. And most importantly, she told me to enjoy it.

You’ll know it’s my mom if you ever see her at one of my games. She’s the loudest to cheer me on. My dad is big on making shirts so her closet is full of them: From my high school days, my college days, shirts for all of my brothers. They’re organized perfectly in her closet, by color and by team. She has all of them. When I made it to the NBA, there were more shirts. I can’t always hear her now, because NBA arenas are a little louder. But I glance and know exactly where she’s sitting and that she’s up there.


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Post#56 » by ATTL » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:30 pm

Maybe that music video is why he waited to make it official?
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Post#57 » by TASTIC » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:31 am

I love this guy.

Maybe a tiny bit overpriced, but not when you look at Mahinmi making $17m etc!

Every team needs a cheerleader, it's even better to have one who can give you a double double 2-3 times a week in less than half a game. Much like Tucker, you know he doesn't leave anything in the tank and his motor and effort can't be questioned.
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Post#58 » by Sunzgunz » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:38 am

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Funny! The kid rapping, Zach, he's a good kid, he was actually a pretty good basketball player also...just small...but good handles and pretty quick....safe to say he made the right choice!
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Post#59 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:14 pm

The breakdown on Alan Williams' deal with the Suns is $6 million in Year 1 and $5.5 million in Years 2 & 3, per league sources.

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Post#60 » by RunDogGun » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:46 pm

TASTIC wrote:I love this guy.

Maybe a tiny bit overpriced, but not when you look at Mahinmi making $17m etc!

Every team needs a cheerleader, it's even better to have one who can give you a double double 2-3 times a week in less than half a game. Much like Tucker, you know he doesn't leave anything in the tank and his motor and effort can't be questioned.


Being a strong cheerleader off the floor, seems to inspire him to play well when on the court. He is already invested in the game before his number is called to check in. His attitude can be infectious, so I'm very glad to have him back with the Suns with a 6,5.5,5.5 deal.

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