ESPN: "When 'all-in' backfires: How the Brooklyn Nets are rebuilding from nothing"

Prokorov · Post #81 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:17 pm

Jagger-meister wrote:Yes I care what happens to the pick. The Nets can start rebuilding in a couple of years. The Celtics can possibly have a franchise level player for the next 10 to 15 years. That's directly in conflict with our long term rebuilding plans. Getting a player of high quality can build anew organization for decades. Just look at the Spurs after the got Duncan.

It is idiotic to worry about that pick... for several reasons:

1) Boston ALREADY is a very good team with GREAT assets. not matter where that pick lands
2) Nothing we do is going to make bostons future much worse, but it will make our future much worse
3) You hurt development of young players with this sort of mentality

Luckily we have smart people in charge now worried about the NETS future and no some other teams future

I'm not sure where the other all or nothing narrative came from where we can't develope players like Levert and RHJ while also winning enough to mitigate the pick. It's just like the LeBron argument. How does winning 30-38 stunt young player development?

Because those guys sit and dont play through mistakes in those scenarios.

Prokorov · Post #82 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:19 pm

Mosdefinition wrote:

hes supposed to be one of those guys this new regimes m.o. is supposed to find and developed

this is probably one of the main reasons this season is a failure

yogi has come back to earth after a few massive games to start off with dallas. 12/4, 15 PER 56 TS% is good especially for a dleaguer but lets not crown him the next IT just yet.

Also lets not forget how AWFUL yogi was in his short stint with the nets... 6 PER, 48TS%, 29.6% from three. this is similar to us with kilpatrick. looked awful for denver. couldnt shoot couldnt score. then we got him and he went off.

MrDollarBills · Post #83 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:04 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Jagger-meister wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:I'm still not understanding how making Boston's pick worse helps us. That literally makes no sense.

WTF does that do to improve this team's long term future?

Frankly, I don't care if Boston gets #1 picks this year AND next year. I'm way more focused on getting young players and creating a new culture.

Our lost pick means nothing.

You really don't understand how a division rival possibly getting multiple franchise level players hurts our long term future when we had control over it?

Multiple franchise level players?

Are you kidding me?

How many times do teams draft franchise level players? Do you understand how unlikely that is?

I'm focused on the Nets getting better.

I honestly don't care if the Celtics build some type of dynasty. IF they don't some other team will.

Nothing we do should be based on hurting the Celtics. It should be entirely based on making us better.

Becoming a 30 win team to spite the Celtics, hurts our team because we have no chance of getting better long term.

OKC drafted three franchise players and none of them were a #1 pick. This whole argument is childish.

MrDollarBills · Post #84 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:06 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Mosdefinition wrote:

hes supposed to be one of those guys this new regimes m.o. is supposed to find and developed

this is probably one of the main reasons this season is a failure

yogi has come back to earth after a few massive games to start off with dallas. 12/4, 15 PER 56 TS% is good especially for a dleaguer but lets not crown him the next IT just yet.

Also lets not forget how AWFUL yogi was in his short stint with the nets... 6 PER, 48TS%, 29.6% from three. this is similar to us with kilpatrick. looked awful for denver. couldnt shoot couldnt score. then we got him and he went off.

This is what irks me about the people who want to keep bringing up Yogi in a backhanded way to trash the FO and coach, they're intellectually dishonest about the whole thing, as if the guy was out there killing it and the Nets let him go for no reason :lol:

twosevenstreet · Post #85 » by **twosevenstreet** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:55 pm

Mosdefinition wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Jkim18 wrote:I actually understand Jagger's cynicism towards the state of our team and his skepticism of our perceived prospects such as LeVert and RHJ. But he is missing the point from the article because he refuses to read it.

Supporting Jagger's argument, us fans did think that guys like Marcus Williams and MarShon Brooks were gonna amount to something when they did not. So perhaps he is right in saying that we shouldn't be too optimistic; but it isn't a reason not to show any optimism. But again, the article doesn't really attest to the potential of our young players... just about what Marks and Kenny are trying to do with that team and that alone interests me as it should for all Nets fans.

I don't think that the skepticism is unwarranted. We really don't know how good these kids can be, or won't be.

But when a person tries to poo poo everything because we aren't landing A tier superstars in free agency, or worse handing out 95 million dollar contracts to Kent Bazemore just so that we can be a treadmill team, if that, its hard to take it all seriously. That's where "Jagger" loses me. The counter arguments to what Marks is doing go well past being rational. That doesn't even include the praise of Billy King that has been littered in there from time to time.

being a treadmill team for the 3 years without picks makes mre sense has always been my point ok say hamilton harris turn into a good role players how would having a team full of vets have hurt them discovering that

losing yogi flys in the face of what this team is allegedly doing

Dinwiddie is better than yogi

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twosevenstreet · Post #86 » by **twosevenstreet** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:06 pm

kamaze wrote:Boston will get a lottery pick this year and probably next year as well why stress over something you can't control.
We have 2 1st round picks to look forward to.

This right here. Let's worry the young guys we have and the young will get in this draft.

Let's worry about the assets that Brook can net us.

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twosevenstreet · Post #87 » by **twosevenstreet** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:09 pm

I say right now, if we add a starting sg/SF we win 30+ next year

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Hello Brooklyn · Post #88 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:29 am

Prokorov wrote:
Mosdefinition wrote:

hes supposed to be one of those guys this new regimes m.o. is supposed to find and developed

this is probably one of the main reasons this season is a failure

yogi has come back to earth after a few massive games to start off with dallas. 12/4, 15 PER 56 TS% is good especially for a dleaguer but lets not crown him the next IT just yet.

Also lets not forget how AWFUL yogi was in his short stint with the nets... 6 PER, 48TS%, 29.6% from three. this is similar to us with kilpatrick. looked awful for denver. couldnt shoot couldnt score. then we got him and he went off.

Yogi also benefits from a top 3 coach in the league and a much better supporting cast.

I'm not buying that he becomes a starting caliber player on the Nets.

MrDollarBills · Post #89 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:47 am

twosevenstreet wrote:
kamaze wrote:Boston will get a lottery pick this year and probably next year as well why stress over something you can't control.
We have 2 1st round picks to look forward to.

This right here. Let's worry the young guys we have and the young will get in this draft.

Let's worry about the assets that Brook can net us.

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If anything, we can hope that Brook can net us a 2018 pick and maybe a contract that has some on court value.

Post #90 » by **NyCeEvO** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:57 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Mosdefinition wrote:

hes supposed to be one of those guys this new regimes m.o. is supposed to find and developed

this is probably one of the main reasons this season is a failure

yogi has come back to earth after a few massive games to start off with dallas. 12/4, 15 PER 56 TS% is good especially for a dleaguer but lets not crown him the next IT just yet.

Also lets not forget how AWFUL yogi was in his short stint with the nets... 6 PER, 48TS%, 29.6% from three. this is similar to us with kilpatrick. looked awful for denver. couldnt shoot couldnt score. then we got him and he went off.

This is what irks me about the people who want to keep bringing up Yogi in a backhanded way to trash the FO and coach, they're intellectually dishonest about the whole thing, as if the guy was out there killing it and the Nets let him go for no reason

To be fair, Yogi was actually decent and better than Whitehead at the start of training camp. The Nets believed in Whitehead's potential and stuck to their guns. It looks like it'll pay off.

I also advocated bringingYogi up before the Dallas got him, so I'm good. 8-)

kamaze · Post #91 » by **kamaze** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:06 am

Yogi didn't work out for us I'm happy he had success somewhere else.
I don't get this infatuation with former players on another team. Why not appreciate them while they're here?

Paradise · Post #92 » by **Paradise** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:24 am

kamaze wrote:Yogi didn't work out for us I'm happy he had success somewhere else.
I don't get this infatuation with former players on another team. Why not appreciate them while they're here?

It's basically a trade off. Acy for Yogi. 12/6/4 threes tonight against the Knicks bigs. Dinwiddie/Acy > Yogi.

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ghostowl · Post #93 » by **ghostowl** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:29 am

Lopez has to be traded for a defensive rebounding big for this team to see any success. Sure he'll bring you nights like tonight where he'll get hot from the 3-point line but that doesn't happen often, and if he's way out in the perimeter, there's no one to rebound in the paint.

I like his offense - he definitely has a post-game but we are giving up 2 tries for every shot the opposing team misses. If he can be traded for 1 first-rounder, I'd say take it. A player like Drummond or Towns would be perfect in this squad