Game 68: Orlando Magic (24-43) @ Sacramento Kings (25-41) - 10:30 PM ET

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

No joke, this team is worse than the Dipo/Harris led teams we had the last two years. Rob/Martins screwed up our tank.

No doubt, I'm just hoping they realize just how far away this team is. This team will be bottom 5 next year as well.


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We need a rebuild of the rebuild. The only question is if we'll have new management or not for it.

[Hadvar]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

[PennytoShaq]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

Why do you watch games or even follow the team if it is this hopeless to you?

[VFX]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

Years under Dwight and Shaq/ Penny were pretty good. Who's to say that can't happen again if we make the right pick?

[OrlChamps2030]

No joke, this team is worse than the Dipo/Harris led teams we had the last two years. Rob/Martins screwed up our tank.

No, they're not stars but Harris/Dipo/Dedmon are all very serviceable players. This team doesn't have the talent to just give those away... and we did.

Lol it took you until now to realize this? Last season's team had a winning record until around December I believe.. Has this team had a winning record all season?

Does anyone have the blowout stats from this season compared to the other rebuild seasons?

[RickB-Orlando]

I continue to find it amusing that so many people want the team to lose for a chance at superior draft position, then get upset at the manner in which we lose.

[Hadvar]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

Years under Dwight and Shaq/ Penny were pretty good. Who's to say that can't happen again if we make the right pick?

people undervalue what we built during dwight years:great job by SVG but also,for much people hate him here,by othis smith.
was not only dwight lead us(almost)to heaven:we put him in great conditions to succeed,that 1+4 was so freaking modern for that years.

not saying we have what an amazing talent right now,but we have done eveything we can to put them in terrible conditions to play the best they can.
people still hoping for such a savior from the draft,can alone makes us great,but that player come every 10 years,the LBJ or duncan i mean.
we can draft an all-star talent next draft,but if we can't change enviroment and we still take terrible decisions without building nothing on the floor nothing is gonna change and 4 years from now we will still here talking about how much this team sucks.

and believe me,losses like this last one gonna hurt a lot,especially cause we are not tanking and we are not supposed to do,after 5 years.

[PennytoShaq]

I continue to find it amusing that so many people want the team to lose for a chance at superior draft position, then get upset at the manner in which we lose.

Yep, I predicted this would happen when the same people would whine and type "blow it up!!!" after every game.

Well, we probably are going to blow it up this offseason. We have a lot of draft picks coming our way and most likely will make some trades.

But yeah, people still complain even though last night was honestly a good game for our young guys. I thought AG, Elf and Mario all played their roles quite well.

[T-DOT KEEZY]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

Years under Dwight and Shaq/ Penny were pretty good. Who's to say that can't happen again if we make the right pick?

Both left.....The culture is not conducive to winning. Also Howard left as did T-Mac. What's not to say we do get another stud and they leave as well? Something is fishy....could it be the faux family friendly gloss of Disney and the Devos family that makes individual studs want to stay around?? I don't know

[T-DOT KEEZY]

I do not think that Frank Vogel is a very good coach. How he allows Jeff Green to have free reign is beyond me...

[Skin]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

The idea of tanking is not a fail concept.

But tanking doesn't work if you don't know how to draft. So while I disagree with your thoughts on tanking, I do agree with you on us not having the right GM to draft right.

[thelead]

No joke, this team is worse than the Dipo/Harris led teams we had the last two years. Rob/Martins screwed up our tank.

No, they're not stars but Harris/Dipo/Dedmon are all very serviceable players. This team doesn't have the talent to just give those away... and we did.

Lol it took you until now to realize this? Last season's team had a winning record until around December I believe.. Has this team had a winning record all season?

Does anyone have the blowout stats from this season compared to the other rebuild seasons?

I'm just tired of arguing with people that say 'who cares, they weren't stars' when some of us bring up Dipo or Harris. I basically posted just to bait those guys

[pepe1991]

No joke, this team is worse than the Dipo/Harris led teams we had the last two years. Rob/Martins screwed up our tank.

No, they're not stars but Harris/Dipo/Dedmon are all very serviceable players. This team doesn't have the talent to just give those away... and we did.

Lol it took you until now to realize this? Last season's team had a winning record until around December I believe.. Has this team had a winning record all season?

Does anyone have the blowout stats from this season compared to the other rebuild seasons?

I'm just tired of arguing with people that say 'who cares, they weren't stars' when some of us bring up Dipo or Harris. I basically posted just to bait those guys

They just combine 32 ppg on 57%TS, but yea who needs that

[arkknight1988]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

The idea of tanking is not a fail concept.

But tanking doesn't work if you don't know how to draft. So while I disagree with your thoughts on tanking, I do agree with you on us not having the right GM to draft right.

I would disagree, nothing about our GMs top draft picks shows he doesn't know how to draft. I was all in for Exum and very glad our front office saw Gordon as the better prospect. Elfrid is a good player, Oladipo was the right pick at that spot, Mario is starting to play better although you could argue he was a reach.

Hennigan deserves another draft, we just need to get in position to draft a star which is top 4 this year imo.

[Skin]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

The idea of tanking is not a fail concept.

But tanking doesn't work if you don't know how to draft. So while I disagree with your thoughts on tanking, I do agree with you on us not having the right GM to draft right.

I would disagree, nothing about our GMs top draft picks shows he doesn't know how to draft. I was all in for Exum and very glad our front office saw Gordon as the better prospect. Elfrid is a good player, Oladipo was the right pick at that spot, Mario is starting to play better although you could argue he was a reach.

Hennigan deserves another draft, we just need to get in position to draft a star which is top 4 this year imo.

He doesn't know how to use the draft to build a team.

Drafts Oladipo and then trades him away. Fail.
Drafts Gordon and then flip flops for 3 years on what position he plays. Fail.
Drafts Elfrid over Lavine. Fail.
Drafts Mario over Turner and WCS and then gives $17M per year to Biyombo. Fail.

[VFX]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

Years under Dwight and Shaq/ Penny were pretty good. Who's to say that can't happen again if we make the right pick?

Both left.....The culture is not conducive to winning. Also Howard left as did T-Mac. What's not to say we do get another stud and they leave as well? Something is fishy....could it be the faux family friendly gloss of Disney and the Devos family that makes individual studs want to stay around?? I don't know

The new CBA gives us leverage as opposed to the decisions of Dwight and Tmac in the past. This gives losing small market teams a chance at keeping their star players by offering them a super max should they qualify. Paul George will be the first to test this when he turns down an insane amount of money to step away from the Pacers.

This is why people that bitch and complain about the draft have zero idea what they are talking about. It's literally the only way to add talent without overpaying or somehow robbing another team of undervalued assets.

[PennytoShaq]

The idea of tanking is not a fail concept.

But tanking doesn't work if you don't know how to draft. So while I disagree with your thoughts on tanking, I do agree with you on us not having the right GM to draft right.

I would disagree, nothing about our GMs top draft picks shows he doesn't know how to draft. I was all in for Exum and very glad our front office saw Gordon as the better prospect. Elfrid is a good player, Oladipo was the right pick at that spot, Mario is starting to play better although you could argue he was a reach.

Hennigan deserves another draft, we just need to get in position to draft a star which is top 4 this year imo.

He doesn't know how to use the draft to build a team.

Drafts Oladipo and then trades him away. Fail.
Drafts Gordon and then flip flops for 3 years on what position he plays. Fail.
Drafts Elfrid over Lavine. Fail.
Drafts Mario over Turner and WCS and then gives $17M per year to Biyombo. Fail.

Lavine is not a PG. Lavine is not a PG. Lavine is not a PG. Lavine is not a PG.

Maybe if it is said enough, you will one day understand it.

Gordon was a tweener who wanted to play SF. Not sure that's a fail either.

Oladipo thought he was a star. He was not. He now gets paid 18 mill a year for the next 4 years. That's a fail to me.

Mario pick so far is a fail, but he is getting his game together more and more. Let's see how bad that pick looks in a year or two.

We can do revisionist drafts for every team in the league. Doesn't mean anything. We simply have not had a chance to draft a star outside of the Giannis type of picks that everyone missed on.

[Hadvar]

People still looking for that "savior"from the draft/trade,i guess they will never learn

The failure of magic organization is all about the"culture"this wonderful GM,despite a lot of promises,never brought up.

The exact opposite,in reality,we are a team after five years that can lost easily against a d-league team;that sequence at the end of the 3th quarter was one of the worst things i never seen as a magic fan.

Can't wait for another useless draft pick we are gonna threw through the window

The idea of tanking is not a fail concept.

But tanking doesn't work if you don't know how to draft. So while I disagree with your thoughts on tanking, I do agree with you on us not having the right GM to draft right.

Not against the tanking,believe me;in the right situation(such our after dwight left)you have to tank for a pair of years and is the only hope,i get it.

I am against the tanking as the only solution at the fifth season of a rebuild;if we think a good draft pick is the solution for the mess we are in this moment,we are gonna be screwed again.

[Optimus_Steel]

I do not think that Frank Vogel is a very good coach. How he allows Jeff Green to have free reign is beyond me...

He is actually very smart. Jeff is the Tankster in Chief in stealth mode.

[Def Swami]

The idea of tanking is not a fail concept.

But tanking doesn't work if you don't know how to draft. So while I disagree with your thoughts on tanking, I do agree with you on us not having the right GM to draft right.

I would disagree, nothing about our GMs top draft picks shows he doesn't know how to draft. I was all in for Exum and very glad our front office saw Gordon as the better prospect. Elfrid is a good player, Oladipo was the right pick at that spot, Mario is starting to play better although you could argue he was a reach.

Hennigan deserves another draft, we just need to get in position to draft a star which is top 4 this year imo.

He doesn't know how to use the draft to build a team.

Drafts Oladipo and then trades him away. Fail.
Drafts Gordon and then flip flops for 3 years on what position he plays. Fail.
Drafts Elfrid over Lavine. Fail.
Drafts Mario over Turner and WCS and then gives $17M per year to Biyombo. Fail.

The last 2 picks are the most egregious to me. Over the 3 drafts, there were several missed opportunities. It's revisionist history, but it's ultimately how GM's are judged and it's part of their job to figure out who's the best player and who's not, regardless of what DraftExpress ranks them as.