Ben Simmons for No. 1 Pick

[jbent87]

Also, it's amazing how quickly people write off someone because of missing a season. Just forgetting that this guy was compared to Magic freaking Johnson. Potential reazlied, are you taking Magic Johnson or James Harden? You're taking the 6"10 HOF PG.

Who's writing him off? I don't see one poster doing so. Most are just saying he's not a higher level prospect than Fultz.

That's not knocking Simmons-- that's just praising a guy who also projects very well. It's not a zero-sum game, Fultz being anazing doesn't mean Simmons has decreased as a prospect.

Also, the most common comparison for Simmons was a 6'10 Rondo, not a top 5 player of all time. If you're expecting him to be Magic, you're going to be disappointed.

Hey man, I'm just telling you what I read. But apparently I was off with Magic Johnson.

Spoiler:

NBA Comparison: LeBron James/Lamar Odom

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-simmons

[SmartWentCrazy]

Also, it's amazing how quickly people write off someone because of missing a season. Just forgetting that this guy was compared to Magic freaking Johnson. Potential reazlied, are you taking Magic Johnson or James Harden? You're taking the 6"10 HOF PG.

Who's writing him off? I don't see one poster doing so. Most are just saying he's not a higher level prospect than Fultz.

That's not knocking Simmons-- that's just praising a guy who also projects very well. It's not a zero-sum game, Fultz being anazing doesn't mean Simmons has decreased as a prospect.

Also, the most common comparison for Simmons was a 6'10 Rondo, not a top 5 player of all time. If you're expecting him to be Magic, you're going to be disappointed.

Hey man, I'm just telling you what I read. But apparently I was off with Magic Johnson.

Spoiler:

NBA Comparison: LeBron James/Lamar Odom

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-simmons

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson

Spoiler:

NBA Comparison: Michael Jordan

Pump the breaks.

[jimmy keys]

Spoiler:

Simmons would go 1st in this years draft

[DusterBuster]

Also, it's amazing how quickly people write off someone because of missing a season. Just forgetting that this guy was compared to Magic freaking Johnson. Potential reazlied, are you taking Magic Johnson or James Harden? You're taking the 6"10 HOF PG.

Who's writing him off? I don't see one poster doing so. Most are just saying he's not a higher level prospect than Fultz.

That's not knocking Simmons-- that's just praising a guy who also projects very well. It's not a zero-sum game, Fultz being anazing doesn't mean Simmons has decreased as a prospect.

Also, the most common comparison for Simmons was a 6'10 Rondo, not a top 5 player of all time. If you're expecting him to be Magic, you're going to be disappointed.

Hey man, I'm just telling you what I read. But apparently I was off with Magic Johnson.

Spoiler:

NBA Comparison: LeBron James/Lamar Odom

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/ben-simmons

There's a bit of a gap between James and Odom.....

Jus sayin.

[Tukkerwolf]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

Giannis defends PFs.

So in this hypoethical scenario

"Monk" defends the 1
Cov 2
Saric 3 (has been doing it while switching off with Covington this season)
Simmons 4
Embiid 5

And since the opposing team will do the same, why not call Simmons a 4? I don't get this narrative of Simmons as a PG.

[TTP]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

Giannis defends PFs.

So in this hypoethical scenario

"Monk" defends the 1
Cov 2
Saric 3 (has been doing it while switching off with Covington this season)
Simmons 4
Embiid 5

Pretty sure this lineup would be terrible defensively. Saric is a negative defending 4s right now - he'd be atrocious defending 3s. You're going to want to spread apart Simmons' and Saric's minutes as much as possible.

[jbent87]

Giannis defends PFs.

So in this hypoethical scenario

"Monk" defends the 1
Cov 2
Saric 3 (has been doing it while switching off with Covington this season)
Simmons 4
Embiid 5

Pretty sure this lineup would be terrible defensively. Saric is a negative defending 4s right now - he'd be atrocious defending 3s. You're going to want to spread apart Simmons' and Saric's minutes as much as possible.

You're right.

Let's trade Simmons for Fultz then.

[sixerswillrule]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

That would be my dream lineup

For me it would be:

Offense:
PG - Simmons
SG - Fultz
SF - Covington
PF - Otto Porter
C - Embiid

Defense:
PG - Fultz
SG - Covington
SF - Otto Porter
PF - Simmons
C - Embiid

6th man - Saric

Wizards will likely match anything for Porter, though and we'd have to land the #1 pick for Fultz.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

That would be my dream lineup

For me it would be:

Offense:
PG - Simmons
SG - Fultz
SF - Covington
PF - Otto Porter
C - Embiid

Defense:
PG - Fultz
SG - Covington
SF - Otto Porter
PF - Simmons
C - Embiid

6th man - Saric

Wizards will likely match anything for Porter, though and we'd have to land the #1 pick for Fultz.

Man, if we could land Fultz somehow...The process would be complete.

[TheAntiTrump]

[quote="Laerai"]Fultz is a better prospect than Simmons



You are totally Insane. Fultz, nor anyone in this draft is even remotely close to the Talent that Ben Simmons is. In fact the only player in the past 30 years who can even come close talent wise IS " Lebron " And even Lebron didn't have some of the advantages that Simmons has. Simmons sees the game in a way not too many players have ever seen it. He is a Athletic Monster, and once he drives to the rim, which he can against anyone...he will cream whoever is on him one on one, or if you bring help, Ben is the MASTER at delivering the pass to the open Jump shooter or cutter in the lane. Only problem is that at LSU, they had nothing around Simmons at all. I mean except for Hornsby, and after he went down, Ben was all alone. But efficiently speaking Ben was outstanding regardless of their record.



I like several players in this draft, Fultz is one of them. But comparing his talents to Simmons is just Crazy. And no way would I deal him for the # 1 pick. As a Sixers fan I can safely say I would not even deal away the Multi talented and extremely diverse " Dario Saric " for the # 1 pick in this draft. But Simmons....that is just LAUGHABLE.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Fultz is a better prospect than Simmons



You are totally Insane. Fultz, nor anyone in this draft is even remotely close to the Talent that Ben Simmons is. In fact the only player in the past 30 years who can even come close talent wise IS " Lebron " And even Lebron didn't have some of the advantages that Simmons has. Simmons sees the game in a way not too many players have ever seen it. He is a Athletic Monster, and once he drives to the rim, which he can against anyone...he will cream whoever is on him one on one, or if you bring help, Ben is the MASTER at delivering the pass to the open Jump shooter or cutter in the lane. Only problem is that at LSU, they had nothing around Simmons at all. I mean except for Hornsby, and after he went down, Ben was all alone. But efficiently speaking Ben was outstanding regardless of their record.



I like several players in this draft, Fultz is one of them. But comparing his talents to Simmons is just Crazy. And no way would I deal him for the # 1 pick. As a Sixers fan I can safely say I would not even deal away the Multi talented and extremely diverse " Dario Saric " for the # 1 pick in this draft. But Simmons....that is just LAUGHABLE.

Oh boy, if you're expecting Simmons to compare favorably to LeBron you're gunna be awfully disappointed.

[TheAntiTrump]

Fultz is a better prospect than Simmons



You are totally Insane. Fultz, nor anyone in this draft is even remotely close to the Talent that Ben Simmons is. In fact the only player in the past 30 years who can even come close talent wise IS " Lebron " And even Lebron didn't have some of the advantages that Simmons has. Simmons sees the game in a way not too many players have ever seen it. He is a Athletic Monster, and once he drives to the rim, which he can against anyone...he will cream whoever is on him one on one, or if you bring help, Ben is the MASTER at delivering the pass to the open Jump shooter or cutter in the lane. Only problem is that at LSU, they had nothing around Simmons at all. I mean except for Hornsby, and after he went down, Ben was all alone. But efficiently speaking Ben was outstanding regardless of their record.



I like several players in this draft, Fultz is one of them. But comparing his talents to Simmons is just Crazy. And no way would I deal him for the # 1 pick. As a Sixers fan I can safely say I would not even deal away the Multi talented and extremely diverse " Dario Saric " for the # 1 pick in this draft. But Simmons....that is just LAUGHABLE.

Oh boy, if you're expecting Simmons to compare favorably to LeBron you're gunna be awfully disappointed.

Talent wise, you have no argument against it. However whether or not he lives up to Lebron's accomplishments is yet to be seen. But skill wise he has everything Lebron had coming into this league and more.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Oh boy, if you're expecting Simmons to compare favorably to LeBron you're gunna be awfully disappointed.

Talent wise, you have no argument against it. However whether or not he lives up to Lebron's accomplishments is yet to be seen. But skill wise he has everything Lebron had coming into this league and more.

You have nothing for it, either, just a subjective opinion. He's not as talented/more talented than LeBron. Its just a fact.

Expecting him to be as good as top 5 player of all time is just going to leave you disappointed.

[jimmy keys]

Fultz is a better prospect than Simmons



You are totally Insane. Fultz, nor anyone in this draft is even remotely close to the Talent that Ben Simmons is. In fact the only player in the past 30 years who can even come close talent wise IS " Lebron " And even Lebron didn't have some of the advantages that Simmons has. Simmons sees the game in a way not too many players have ever seen it. He is a Athletic Monster, and once he drives to the rim, which he can against anyone...he will cream whoever is on him one on one, or if you bring help, Ben is the MASTER at delivering the pass to the open Jump shooter or cutter in the lane. Only problem is that at LSU, they had nothing around Simmons at all. I mean except for Hornsby, and after he went down, Ben was all alone. But efficiently speaking Ben was outstanding regardless of their record.



I like several players in this draft, Fultz is one of them. But comparing his talents to Simmons is just Crazy. And no way would I deal him for the # 1 pick. As a Sixers fan I can safely say I would not even deal away the Multi talented and extremely diverse " Dario Saric " for the # 1 pick in this draft. But Simmons....that is just LAUGHABLE.

Why do so many posters here do this?

You make some great points, than totally lose credibility with the last sentence/paragraph.

Yes you are a homer. Saric is not better than Fultz, come on man that's crazy and I've been high on Saric since before he was drafted.

[clyde21]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

[clyde21]

Oh boy, if you're expecting Simmons to compare favorably to LeBron you're gunna be awfully disappointed.

Talent wise, you have no argument against it. However whether or not he lives up to Lebron's accomplishments is yet to be seen. But skill wise he has everything Lebron had coming into this league and more.

From an athletic standpoint LeBron is light years ahead of Simmons. That's not to say Simmons isn't a good athlete, but come on. Not even close to one of the great athletes we've ever seen. So yes, there is an argument against it.

[jimmy keys]

Oh boy, if you're expecting Simmons to compare favorably to LeBron you're gunna be awfully disappointed.

Talent wise, you have no argument against it. However whether or not he lives up to Lebron's accomplishments is yet to be seen. But skill wise he has everything Lebron had coming into this league and more.

From an athletic standpoint LeBron is light years ahead of Simmons. That's not to say Simmons isn't a good athlete, but come on. Not even close to one of the great athletes we've ever seen. So yes, there is an argument against it.

Not to mention LeBron's Basketball IQ is also hard to match. Rivalled by only the very best of all time. Look I like Simmons a lot, he's got great potential, but he'll never be in that class of player.

[TheAntiTrump]

For all of you above, I am not saying Simmons will end up being as productive as Lebron. I said skill wise, and yes Athletically he is every bit like Lebron. But the bottom line is this...there is not ONE single fact that anyone can illustrate where either M.Fultz or L.Ball have any skill that is better then Simmons...not one. And to suggest that either of them is more valued then Ben Simmons is just ridiculous.

[LuessiT]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

Giannis is not playing the PG position for the Bucks. He's playing the 3 or 4 and is handling the ball. There is no way Simmons will play PG for you full time. He might handle the ball but he won't play PG.

[youngcrev]

Or, stay the course and implement Simmons as PG a la Giannis and let Saric continue to play the point forward 4.

Simmons
Monk
Covington
Saric
Embiid

Giannis is not playing the PG position for the Bucks. He's playing the 3 or 4 and is handling the ball. There is no way Simmons will play PG for you full time. He might handle the ball but he won't play PG.

He won't defend opposing PGs, but that is the role he's expected to play offensively.