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Political Roundtable Part XIII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1301 » by AFM » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:01 am

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Really interesting. His Medium article is even better. I'm not sure I like his front row/back row thing, or McDonalds as a lens, but totally get the analogy. My family comes from a small, hollowed out town, Tipton, IN. The humiliation thing and sense of loss and personal and community failure is palpable there.


There is something real there. And if the dems hadn't screwed the pooch someone compassionate and intelligent would be trying to do something about it. It's sad those folks are stuck with Trump. A complete dumpster fire for everybody involved.


Wow, Zonk and I agree on something...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1302 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:18 pm

AFM wrote:
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sfam wrote:Really interesting. His Medium article is even better. I'm not sure I like his front row/back row thing, or McDonalds as a lens, but totally get the analogy. My family comes from a small, hollowed out town, Tipton, IN. The humiliation thing and sense of loss and personal and community failure is palpable there.


There is something real there. And if the dems hadn't screwed the pooch someone compassionate and intelligent would be trying to do something about it. It's sad those folks are stuck with Trump. A complete dumpster fire for everybody involved.


Wow, Zonk and I agree on something...

I drove down to Houston this summer. I stopped at McDonalds at every stop I made to use the bathrooms and buy another coffee. What I noticed was that it was a meeting place. Groups of old folk, groups of teenagers, etc.

I haven't noticed that as much in my neck of the woods, so it is easy to see how someone would screw up on this... then again, they do have that propensity toward the "deplorables" - and now that Hillary let it loose, we can see the attitude more easily.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1303 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:30 pm

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It was asinine for Mulvaney to defend cuts to programs like Meals on Wheels and after-school by claiming it was "compassionate" of the Trump Administration to not ask taxpayers to fund these programs.

It is really hard to stomach when he is also asking for an increase to the military complex.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1304 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:46 pm

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There is something real there. And if the dems hadn't screwed the pooch someone compassionate and intelligent would be trying to do something about it. It's sad those folks are stuck with Trump. A complete dumpster fire for everybody involved.


Wow, Zonk and I agree on something...

I drove down to Houston this summer. I stopped at McDonalds at every stop I made to use the bathrooms and buy another coffee. What I noticed was that it was a meeting place. Groups of old folk, groups of teenagers, etc.

I haven't noticed that as much in my neck of the woods, so it is easy to see how someone would screw up on this... then again, they do have that propensity toward the "deplorables" - and now that Hillary let it loose, we can see the attitude more easily.


It's certainly true in Anacostia.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1305 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:54 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/

US makes formal apology to Britain after White House accuses GCHQ of wiretapping Trump Tower


The US has made a formal apology to Britain after the White House accused GCHQ of helping Barack Obama spy on Donald Trump in the White House.

Sean Spicer, Mr Trump's press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November's election.

The comments prompted a furious response from GCHQ, which in a break from normal practice issued a public statement: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president-elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."

Intelligence sources told The Telegraph that both Mr Spicer and General McMaster, the US National Security Adviser, have apologised over the claims. "The apology came direct from them," a source said.

General McMaster contacted Sir Mark Lyall Grant, the Prime Minister's National Security adviser, to apologise for the comments. Mr Spicer conveyed his apology through Sir Kim Darroch, Britain's US ambassador.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1306 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:59 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1307 » by Doug_Blew » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:23 pm

Wizardspride wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/us-makes-formal-apology-britain-white-house-accuses-gchq-wiretapping/

US makes formal apology to Britain after White House accuses GCHQ of wiretapping Trump Tower


The US has made a formal apology to Britain after the White House accused GCHQ of helping Barack Obama spy on Donald Trump in the White House.

Sean Spicer, Mr Trump's press secretary, repeated a claim on Thursday evening – initially made by an analyst on Fox News - that GCHQ was used by Mr Obama to spy on Trump Tower in the lead-up to last November's election.

The comments prompted a furious response from GCHQ, which in a break from normal practice issued a public statement: "Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wiretapping' against the then president-elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored."

Intelligence sources told The Telegraph that both Mr Spicer and General McMaster, the US National Security Adviser, have apologised over the claims. "The apology came direct from them," a source said.

General McMaster contacted Sir Mark Lyall Grant, the Prime Minister's National Security adviser, to apologise for the comments. Mr Spicer conveyed his apology through Sir Kim Darroch, Britain's US ambassador.

So in essence, Sean Spicer was BSing in yesterday's press conference. And Last night on Fox News Trump said he got the information about "Wire Tapping" his phones from media reports. So he's getting his information from the same Not Fake News that his supporters get.
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Post#1308 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:23 pm

Nice... you thought the stock market and housing bubbles were disruptive. It is so dishonest to promise any kind of return on a public pension. It is just dishonest, corrupt, evil and flat out wrong:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445158/america-entitlement-crisis-will-hit-if-democrats-republicans-continue-doing-nothing
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1309 » by tontoz » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:57 pm

Trump needs to delete his twitter account in the worst way. Twitter provides a window into the alternate reality inside his head and that window should have plywood over it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1310 » by sfam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:24 pm

tontoz wrote:Trump needs to delete his twitter account in the worst way. Twitter provides a window into the alternate reality inside his head and that window should have plywood over it.

I couldn't agree more, yet fear that alternate reality is going to pervade his term. Trump is talking about a wholescale change in government - to make dramatic cuts to pay for military growth, and making the promise that those cuts will lead to a leaner, meaner, better functioning government.

But he is not nominating the leadership underneath the secretaries. With no leadership, literally the agencies are going to be on autopilot. Things will happen that Trump won't agree with. My guess is we get alternate reality conspiracies coming out pretty regularly, whether or not Trump uses twitter. The advantage of course is Jared and company and pull him back from public crazy statements.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1311 » by sfam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:24 pm

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Really funny thing for those threatening war in the Korean peninsula - they should take a look where the capital, Seoul physically sits:

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Its like a hop skip and a jump to the border. North Korea doesn't need nuclear weapons to form a deterrent. Their conventional weapons all work just fine. Millions of people are dead and one of the worlds great economies is wrecked over night if there is a conflict. Stunningly stupid behavior.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1312 » by DCZards » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 pm

tontoz wrote:Trump needs to delete his twitter account in the worst way. Twitter provides a window into the alternate reality inside his head and that window should have plywood over it.


I agree...for the most part. The Liar-in-Chief's tweets are certainly hurting his credibility and therefore the stature and credibility of our country, particularly on the international stage.

On the other hand, as someone who opposes most of Trump's policies, I'm glad that more and more Americans are seeing just how much of an insecure, egotistical juvenile #45 is. If he continues his mindless tweets, I expect the President to do real political damage to himself and the Republican Party as far as their standing with the American people is concerned. I consider that a good thing.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1313 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:55 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Nice... you thought the stock market and housing bubbles were disruptive. It is so dishonest to promise any kind of return on a public pension. It is just dishonest, corrupt, evil and flat out wrong:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445158/america-entitlement-crisis-will-hit-if-democrats-republicans-continue-doing-nothing


There was a question on Quora, what is the next Housing Crisis like bubble that we can see coming from miles away? Idiot that I am, social security and medicaid did not spring immediately to mind.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1314 » by dckingsfan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:00 pm

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tontoz wrote:Trump needs to delete his twitter account in the worst way. Twitter provides a window into the alternate reality inside his head and that window should have plywood over it.

I agree...for the most part. The Liar-in-Chief's tweets are certainly hurting his credibility and therefore the stature and credibility of our country, particularly on the international stage.

I think our credibility on the world's stage has been rocked for quite some time. I think most countries have lost faith in the US as a worldwide leader quite some time ago.

I think (within the US) we haven't caught up to that. I think that Trump just pushes us past that. He is just increasing the momentum for us to pull out of the roll as the world's leader and police.

What is puzzling is that he is duplicitous in that way. Instead of reducing Military spending, withdrawing troops from abroad, reducing funding for the UN - he kind of picks and chooses.

I think that confuses our partners abroad and Trump supporters as well.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1316 » by sfam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:26 pm

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tontoz wrote:Trump needs to delete his twitter account in the worst way. Twitter provides a window into the alternate reality inside his head and that window should have plywood over it.


I agree...for the most part. The Liar-in-Chief's tweets are certainly hurting his credibility and therefore the stature and credibility of our country, particularly on the international stage.

On the other hand, as someone who opposes most of Trump's policies, I'm glad that more and more Americans are seeing just how much of an insecure, egotistical juvenile #45 is. If he continues his mindless tweets, I expect the President to do real political damage to himself and the Republican Party as far as their standing with the American people is concerned. I consider that a good thing.


As someone who opposes Trump's policies, I would love him to stop tweeting. This is like a global force for instability - most are only considering the impact within the US. There is literally nothing positive for the country that will come from Trump's twitter account. We can figure out Trump's foibles without this.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1317 » by Wizardspride » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:31 pm

Hey Nate,

You said you would change your tune on Trump if it was proven he lied about Obama wiretapping him....

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1318 » by sfam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:38 pm

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DCZards wrote:I agree...for the most part. The Liar-in-Chief's tweets are certainly hurting his credibility and therefore the stature and credibility of our country, particularly on the international stage.

I think our credibility on the world's stage has been rocked for quite some time. I think most countries have lost faith in the US as a worldwide leader quite some time ago.

I think (within the US) we haven't caught up to that. I think that Trump just pushes us past that. He is just increasing the momentum for us to pull out of the roll as the world's leader and police.

What is puzzling is that he is duplicitous in that way. Instead of reducing Military spending, withdrawing troops from abroad, reducing funding for the UN - he kind of picks and chooses.

I think that confuses our partners abroad and Trump supporters as well.

The world is no longer either a bipolar or uni-polar world, where massive super powers run the order of events. This trend toward a diverse and chaotic multi-polar world is not the fault of US Presidents. That said, I agree with the drop in credibility. Bush hurt it significantly in basic diplomatic relations, which Obama had largely repaired. But Obama (and I blame the congress on this as well) lost significant stature of his red line thing. This has led to more aggressive acts by really bad international players like Trump's favorite country, Russia.

In a real positive in my opinion, the Obama administration worked really hard toward developing large international multilateral coalitions toward global issues. He was successful at this - more to the point US leadership set the table to support more collaborations like this.

Trump has changed that. He is interested in bilateral relationships. He is interested in personal, one on one connections. We will see whether or not he can in effect turn back the clock to the 1980s where bilateral relationships drove international policy. This will also be dependent on Trump's personal relationship skills.

But again, the world has changed. There was a time that the President of Kenya, Kazahkstan, Indonesia and other countries of that stature would defer to their economic betters. This doesn't happen any more. Its not just the BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa). More than ever their voice matters at the international stage - hence the direction toward multilateral relationships.

Bilateral relationships, if you add up the one-to-one negotiations for each country involved, take lots more time to construct. And Trump wants to cut the State department by 30%, while not filling the Assistant Secretary and other political appointee positions. This approach is not connected to reality. Its pure fantasy.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XIII 

Post#1319 » by tontoz » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:40 pm

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That isn't exactly news since we all get health problems and die in the end.

A girl I knew in high school was on Pan Am flight 103. She was one of 270 killed before their time by Muslim terrorists. I don't think her family or the families of other victims would be that impressed with your post.
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Post#1320 » by sfam » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:49 pm

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That isn't exactly news since we all get health problems and die in the end.

A girl I knew in high school was on Pan Am flight 103. She was one of 270 killed before their time by Muslim terrorists. I don't think her family or the families of other victims would be that impressed with your post.

I'm really sorry you know someone killed by Muslim terrorists. The last person I knew and worked with who died from a terrorist attack was last August in a suicide bombing in Pakistan targeting a lawyers gathering. I also helped train the first journalist to die in the Mosul attack in 2004. It really sucks.

But I know lots lots lots more people - family members even who have died due to poor health and poorer health care. I believe DCZards was posting a fact, not a political statement. Its a very rational proposition to line up our funding priorities to stop preventable deaths with actual risks facing our citizens. If we do, we get far more interested in traffic fatalities, heart conditions and random gun violence than we do about targeted terrorist attacks. Yet our funding for solving these problems doesn't line up. This is a fact.

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