Marc Stein - Doc Rivers or Pat Garrity to Replace Hennigan?

[Max Power]

What's the twitters above say? As for Rivers and Garrity. I can totally see this happening for a couple reasons. We need a new GM, and I've been saying we need our GM to report to a basketball man in the form of a President of Basketball Operations...Doc Rivers would essentially become the Magic's Pat Riley, and Garrity being the GM under him makes perfect sense. Now, where does Vogel fit in? Honestly, I think Frank will produce with a better roster. I am in favor of Doc and Garrity coming in if it happens for one reason....FREE AGENCY. Doc Rivers has the same kind of rep around the league as a Magic Johnson, players like him a lot and would want to play for him.


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[Def Swami]

What's the twitters above say? As for Rivers and Garrity. I can totally see this happening for a couple reasons. We need a new GM, and I've been saying we need our GM to report to a basketball man in the form of a President of Basketball Operations...Doc Rivers would essentially become the Magic's Pat Riley, and Garrity being the GM under him makes perfect sense. Now, where does Vogel fit in? Honestly, I think Frank will produce with a better roster. I am in favor of Doc and Garrity coming in if it happens for one reason....FREE AGENCY. Doc Rivers has the same kind of rep around the league as a Magic Johnson, players like him a lot and would want to play for him.


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This is a bigger deal than I've given credit to in the past. Relationships are important. Word to Dwyane Wade.

[rcklsscognition]

Interesting there are some rumblings about the Magic possibly being sold or taken over by a completely different group. One thing I think I am confident in is that Hennigan's days are almost over. I give him a week after the season is over and he'll be fired.

A ton of celebs/basketball players live in Orlando. People should want to play here. I think it's about time the Devos' give up and let someone else try. We could turn this team into something so much better.

[bigpimpatl]

If there's a coach that can get through to Payton it might be Doc. I'm ok with Doc in a Magic Johnson role.

[cedric76]

Oh dear, he have fallen really low

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[j-ragg]

I wonder what the Magic would sell for.

Could make an argument for a low figure or high figure to be honest. I don't know enough about the business aspect of the NBA to know a figure. 1.5 billion? Whether we sell for that or ten dollars I hope RDV sells.

[tiderulz]

What's the twitters above say? As for Rivers and Garrity. I can totally see this happening for a couple reasons. We need a new GM, and I've been saying we need our GM to report to a basketball man in the form of a President of Basketball Operations...Doc Rivers would essentially become the Magic's Pat Riley, and Garrity being the GM under him makes perfect sense. Now, where does Vogel fit in? Honestly, I think Frank will produce with a better roster. I am in favor of Doc and Garrity coming in if it happens for one reason....FREE AGENCY. Doc Rivers has the same kind of rep around the league as a Magic Johnson, players like him a lot and would want to play for him.


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Doc Rivers being the ultimate decision maker?

[Xatticus]

All you guys who want Martins out of basketball decisions - not sure why you would be against Doc. I don't think there are many candidates for this job who could come in and effectively end Martins reign as puppetmaster here.

That's the real upside. Doc has the clout to win any pissing contests with Martins. I simply don't trust Doc to make personnel decisions. He had a fetish with big point guards when he was in Orlando and we repeatedly passed on more talented players to draft length at the position. I also don't believe he has the patience for a rebuild, which might lead to some short-sighted decisions that would keep us in basketball purgatory.

[OrlandoDream]

I would gladly take Rivers as my coach if we didn't have Vogel but never as my GM. Good coach now but awful GM. Garrity? Martins and his going to old players will ultimately destroy us. Did he now learn enough with Skiles? We need an experienced GM! Somehow who is known in the NBA and has a reputation.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Just when things couldn't get any worse, this report comes through.

If KG, Jesus Shuttlesworth, and Pierce didn't team up in 2008, would Rivers be highly regarded?

What has he done with LAC? Plus I don't know if Rivers and Vogel could co-exist.

I could warm up to the idea about Pat Garrity running the show. I would need to get more information about his pedigree. MBA and working for Pistons. Has his name come up in other GM openings?

[PennytoShaq]

Just when things couldn't get any worse, this report comes through.

If KG, Jesus Shuttlesworth, and Pierce didn't team up in 2008, would Rivers be highly regarded?

What has he done with LAC? Plus I don't know if Rivers and Vogel could co-exist.

People said the same stuff about Riley. Would you have wanted him as GM? Probably not.

[fbeye343]

I want Hinkie

[Xatticus]

Rob Hennigan might have had a tough hand with the lack of lotto luck but the moves this past summer and deciding Aaron Gordon should play SF were a disaster.

Even if they want to keep Rob Hennigan, they are going to have to make a change after 5 bad seasons.

A new GM will come in and someone like Pat Garrity is a possibility.

Doc Rivers might come back one day to coach but conflicts between Rivers and John Gabriel over personal cost both of them their jobs last decade. That was a disasterous drafting period as well.

I do not think Doc rivers will come back this summer and expect Frank Vogel to stay.

It's going to be an interesting summer.

Hennigan created the circumstances that have led to his demise. I don't believe the draft luck argument has merit. It's also a major assumption that we would've drafted Embiid if he were available when we picked. It was known that he was going to miss at least a year and it was fairly common knowledge that the Magic were drafting Gordon fourth (the Kings certainly knew in advance).

I don't hate Hennigan, but I do believe he is in over his head. I think he has certain skills that are very useful, but I don't believe he is well-equipped to perform the duties of general manager; at least for this organization.

I'm intrigued by Garrity, but I simply don't have enough information to say whether I believe it would be a good hire or not. I think it is a necessity that the modern GM has more than a passing familiarity with analytics and he would seem to be well-schooled in NBA finances and asset management. I don't know how well he is with regards to negotiation or long-term planning. I'm not a fan of Danny Ferry, but it is fairly obvious that he is pretty good at those skills.

I like Dumars a lot as a person, but I'm not keen on the idea of him becoming our next GM. That said, I'd much rather have Dumars than Rivers, given what I know.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Thats true about the relationships part. Doc is well liked around the league and can help bring in FA'S.

Meanwhile Frank Vogel attracts players like Jeff Green because Roy Hibbert told him you need to play for Frank......

[fbeye343]

Clippers head coach Doc Rivers says he has a past with the Orlando Magic, but no future with them. "My future is here." Earlier in the day, ESPN's Marc Stein reported that Rivers and the Magic will explore a reunion at some point down the road.

Thank G-d

[dsg2021]

I still think Martins hasn't been a basketball decision-maker here honestly.
It's a huge disrespect to the DeVos family to speculate on them selling the team based on extreme rumors and rumblings too. If you compared the DeVos to other ownership groups, even large market ones like Chicago, the DeVos have spent more money and won more games than most. We would only go down from here if there is a new owner group imho.

As for Doc, I'd love for it to happen. I was looking over his transactions quickly and he's been really pragmatic and effective. Takeaway-wise, he's inherited a capped out team and has had little moves with that type of situation his whole tenure. And yet he always seems to have a TPE, always drafts a late 1st that fits today's NBA and the team's wing hole. He is always willing to shuffle and shuffle the same wing hole with older vets too, until he finds the right one. And these are all low risk/cost, high reward moves. These are also numerous transactions for a typical GM, so he's not an inactive GM either. And yet, when it came to Doc's biggest moves, he's arguably been spot on too. For instance, ask like 27 teams if they would look at their record of the past few seasons and be okay with capping out the team on a core of CP3, Blake, and DeAndre Jordan. Then notice how Doc has never been like Otis and messed with the core. Hes been patient with it, and his biggest moves were retaining DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford, while acquring JJ who was a picture perfect fit at SG for them. And fyi, that core has beaten SAS and GSW in the playoffs once already.

[OrlandoDream]

Clippers head coach Doc Rivers says he has a past with the Orlando Magic, but no future with them. "My future is here." Earlier in the day, ESPN's Marc Stein reported that Rivers and the Magic will explore a reunion at some point down the road.

Thank G-d

I mean what professional under a contract is going to publicly say that he plans on leaving the team? "My future is here" That means nothing. If clippers lose in the 1st or 2nd round again, I feel they will be going for a shakeup.

[PennytoShaq]

Clippers head coach Doc Rivers says he has a past with the Orlando Magic, but no future with them. "My future is here." Earlier in the day, ESPN's Marc Stein reported that Rivers and the Magic will explore a reunion at some point down the road.

Thank G-d

You know just because he says that, it's not necessarily true...right?

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I'm okay with keeping Hennigan if these are my options.

It's hilarious to see this statement in juxtaposition to your sig!

[PennytoShaq]

I still think Martins hasn't been a basketball decision-maker here honestly.
It's a huge disrespect to the DeVos family to speculate on them selling the team based on extreme rumors and rumblings too. If you compared the DeVos to other ownership groups, even large market ones like Chicago, the DeVos have spent more money and won more games than most. We would only go down from here if there is a new owner group imho.

As for Doc, I'd love for it to happen. I was looking over his transactions quickly and he's been really pragmatic and effective. Takeaway-wise, he's inherited a capped out team and has had little moves with that type of situation his whole tenure. And yet he always seems to have a TPE, always drafts a late 1st that fits today's NBA and the team's wing hole. He is always willing to shuffle and shuffle the same wing hole with older vets too, until he finds the right one. And these are all low risk/cost, high reward moves. These are also numerous transactions for a typical GM, so he's not an inactive GM either. And yet, when it came to Doc's biggest moves, he's arguably been spot on too. For instance, ask like 27 teams if they would look at their record of the past few seasons and be okay with capping out the team on a core of CP3, Blake, and DeAndre Jordan. Then notice how Doc has never been like Otis and messed with the core. Hes been patient with it, and his biggest moves were retaining DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford, while acquring JJ who was a picture perfect fit at SG for them. And fyi, that core has beaten SAS and GSW in the playoffs once already.

Stop making sense.

The Negatives fired up the band and were playing their hits , like - "I would do anything to get rid of Rob, but I won't do that"...etc.

Posting things that make sense instead of emotionally lashing out has no place at such a concert.