nba draft 2017

[PrimeThyme]

Great performance from Jackson. Character issues and all if hes available when we pick we have to pick him.

[PrimeThyme]

Made a new Draft thread since this one is at 100 pages and Mods will be locking it soon. Ill be updating the new one as player rankings and our Draft positioning changes.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1541125

[Xatticus]

euro players, who play in Europe are in general more versitale than ones who go in US playing college ( talking about Euro guys only). Cody was marked as a guy with sreach potential. He made 2 threes in 5 years and gave up on his mid range shot. He is solid ,rotation big, nothing more.

His weaknesses are: rebounding, playing through contact, defensive impact and lack of passing skills. So his potential is what ? Frank Kaminsky?

That's an exceptionally poor description of Zeller. He is a modern big whose contributions far exceed what a box score measures. Charlotte has been a dramatically better team over the last couple years when he is on the floor than when he is off.

He is below average nba starter at C position and solid rotational big. When you draft somebody with 4# overall pick and after 5 years he is 10 ppg, 6,6 rpg and not much of a rim protector you probably picked the wrong guy. He has high TS% but again, he takes over 80% of all his shots inside 10 feet, it's not like you can miss much layups when you are 7'0 playing with two good playmakers in SL. ( Batum,Kemba)

My orginal point was that i would not draft 7'0 jumpshooter that really doesn't do much but shoot , in league where sometimes college percentages don't translate into nba percentages at all ( Derrick Williams 40%+ 3 point shooter at college level, 29,9% in nba)

Zeller has a +7.3 NetRtg on a team with a +0.7 NetRtg. The team is much better at both ends (+3.1 offense, -3.5 Defense) when he is on the court. Given that Charlotte is eighth in the NBA in defensive efficiency, I'd say that is fairly compelling evidence that he is a very good defensive player. Charlotte is 27-22 this season in games that Zeller has played, but only 3-17 in games he has missed. They were a much better team when he was on the floor last year as well.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I really like Justin Jackson. If we miss out on Tatum/Jackson I wouldn't mind using the Toronto pick plus our seconds to move up somehow. Should be attainable with a 12-15 pick. He didn't shoot quite well, but he seems to have all the abilities to become a successful wing in the NBA.

[Xatticus]

I get that. It's great he was able to get rebounds and play Defense, but when you lose by 30 and you are considered a top 5 pick like "the next Durant" comparison I'm calling BS if you aren't capable of being able to score against an underdog opponent in the NCAA. Sorry I disagree.

Isaac averaged:
8.0 FGA per game at 51% FG and 35% 3-pt.

In comparison, Monk averaged
14.9 FGA per game at 45% FG and 39% 3-pt.

One is considered an elite scorer, the other you're saying is "unable to score."

If you study the box score and watch the games, it is impossible for an intelligent fan to walk away with any conclusion other than this is simply a difference of roles more than raw talent.

If you increase the offensive workload for Isaac while factoring in the defensive and passing abilities, it is easy to see why he is a top 5 prospect and Monk is a top 10 prospect.

So bacon is a late 1st round pick and is relied on heavily for scoring purposes. Isaac is considered raw and is compared to Durant and a top 5 talent but scores 8 points in a 30 point blowout in the tournament.. got it.. I've watched about 4-5 fsu games and was left impressed maybe once by Isaac. Just saying what I see rather than the box score.

Shaquille O'Neal averaged 13.9 PPG in his freshman season while Chris Jackson (Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) dominated the team's offensive possessions. There are things far more important to long-term projections than a player's role in their freshman season.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Me when I watch Fultz highlights: This guy is a stud, this the guy I want!

But then I watch UCLA play: Ball is incredible, this the guy I want!

But then Duke comes on: Tatum is exactly what we need, this the guy I want!

But then KU plays: Jackson is a two- way star, this the guy I want!

Just get a top 4 pick please

[pepe1991]

That's an exceptionally poor description of Zeller. He is a modern big whose contributions far exceed what a box score measures. Charlotte has been a dramatically better team over the last couple years when he is on the floor than when he is off.

He is below average nba starter at C position and solid rotational big. When you draft somebody with 4# overall pick and after 5 years he is 10 ppg, 6,6 rpg and not much of a rim protector you probably picked the wrong guy. He has high TS% but again, he takes over 80% of all his shots inside 10 feet, it's not like you can miss much layups when you are 7'0 playing with two good playmakers in SL. ( Batum,Kemba)

My orginal point was that i would not draft 7'0 jumpshooter that really doesn't do much but shoot , in league where sometimes college percentages don't translate into nba percentages at all ( Derrick Williams 40%+ 3 point shooter at college level, 29,9% in nba)

Zeller has a +7.3 NetRtg on a team with a +0.7 NetRtg. The team is much better at both ends (+3.1 offense, -3.5 Defense) when he is on the court. Given that Charlotte is eighth in the NBA in defensive efficiency, I'd say that is fairly compelling evidence that he is a very good defensive player. Charlotte is 27-22 this season in games that Zeller has played, but only 3-17 in games he has missed. They were a much better team when he was on the floor last year as well.

No s*** that team with FRANK KAMINSKY as only backup big is better on defense than without him? Wow ,shocking . Or we will count 67 min of Miles Plumlee who is garbage anyway?
Someone who has lower total rebounding percentage than ROY HIBBERT probably isn't good rebounder for C, isn't he ? His defended FG% around rim is 51,8%, not terrible but not elite. His TS% is high because he only takes shots inside 10 feet and he creates no offense for himself.

It's not like I said that he is worthless garbage , i said that he wasn't worth 4th overall pick and that he is solid rotation big. I would still start : Cousins, KAT, Dre, Gasol M, Drummond, Horford, Whiteside, Adams, Gobert, Howard, Jokić, Gortat, Brook Lopez, Jonas , Vučević and Turner over him, so , to me by default he is below average starter. And i didn't even count Pau Gasol ( age) and Embiid ( too much injuries) on my list of Cs who are , in my opinion better than him.

[Xatticus]

He is below average nba starter at C position and solid rotational big. When you draft somebody with 4# overall pick and after 5 years he is 10 ppg, 6,6 rpg and not much of a rim protector you probably picked the wrong guy. He has high TS% but again, he takes over 80% of all his shots inside 10 feet, it's not like you can miss much layups when you are 7'0 playing with two good playmakers in SL. ( Batum,Kemba)

My orginal point was that i would not draft 7'0 jumpshooter that really doesn't do much but shoot , in league where sometimes college percentages don't translate into nba percentages at all ( Derrick Williams 40%+ 3 point shooter at college level, 29,9% in nba)

Zeller has a +7.3 NetRtg on a team with a +0.7 NetRtg. The team is much better at both ends (+3.1 offense, -3.5 Defense) when he is on the court. Given that Charlotte is eighth in the NBA in defensive efficiency, I'd say that is fairly compelling evidence that he is a very good defensive player. Charlotte is 27-22 this season in games that Zeller has played, but only 3-17 in games he has missed. They were a much better team when he was on the floor last year as well.

No s*** that team with FRANK KAMINSKY as only backup big is better on defense than without him? Wow ,shocking . Or we will count 67 min of Miles Plumlee who is garbage anyway?
Someone who has lower total rebounding percentage than ROY HIBBERT probably isn't good rebounder for C, isn't he ? His defended FG% around rim is 51,8%, not terrible but not elite. His TS% is high because he only takes shots inside 10 feet and he creates no offense for himself.

It's not like I said that he is worthless garbage , i said that he wasn't worth 4th overall pick and that he is solid rotation big. I would still start : Cousins, KAT, Dre, Gasol M, Drummond, Horford, Whiteside, Adams, Gobert, Howard, Jokić, Gortat, Brook Lopez, Jonas , Vučević and Turner over him, so , to me by default he is below average starter. And i didn't even count Pau Gasol ( age) and Embiid ( too much injuries) on my list of Cs who are , in my opinion better than him.

He's quite a bit better than a few of the guys you have listed there, most obviously Vucevic. And Charlotte's defense isn't actually much worse when Kaminsky is on the court than when he is off.