Lonzo Ball

Christine-In-AZ · Post #541 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:48 am

MEGAQUIB wrote:I think Lonzo is the clear number 1 pick. Worst case scenario is a defensive guard that shoots 3's. best case scenario is a 20-10 pg that is excellent on defense.

Ball (right now) is not a good one on one defender at all. Good anticipation on help and lanes, but not man on man

Post #542 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:54 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:
MEGAQUIB wrote:I think Lonzo is the clear number 1 pick. Worst case scenario is a defensive guard that shoots 3's. best case scenario is a 20-10 pg that is excellent on defense.

Ball (right now) is not a good one on one defender at all. Good anticipation on help and lanes, but not man on man

He's good. Just not consistent. You'll see him get up for games, matchups, and possessions. Needs the lazy coached out of him though. That won't fly next level.

Coeur · Post #543 » by **Coeur** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:24 am

Before the season I expected Lonzo to be a pick in the teens and thought he'd be perfect for the knicks. I feel like he'd be the ideal player to pair with Carmelo and porzingis. His ball moving might be contagious

Best situations: NY or Orlando.

Worst situation: Sac or Orlando. Maybe 76'rs due to fit w Simmons

Christine-In-AZ · Post #544 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:47 am

Is Ball a PG?

Coeur · Post #545 » by **Coeur** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:34 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:Is Ball a PG?

All PG. will play no other position

Peregrine01 · Post #546 » by **Peregrine01** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:08 am

The dude's vision and passing touch is phenomenal.

But what amazes me most is that he never stops the ball. Lots of great playmakers dribble the crap out of the ball. Lonzo does the opposite and keeps the ball moving. When your best player does that, it become contagious for the rest of the team. I was amazed at how well he played off the ball today.

doordoor123 · Post #547 » by **doordoor123** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:15 am

Peregrine01 wrote:The dude's vision and passing touch is phenomenal.

But what amazes me most is that he never stops the ball. Lots of great playmakers dribble the crap out of the ball. Lonzo does the opposite and keeps the ball moving. When your best player does that, it become contagious for the rest of the team. I was amazed at how well he played off the ball today.

Yeah, I actually think he might be deserving of being the number 1 or 2 pick. If he is the ultimate manager, why would he not be a generational player?

Bill Pidto · Post #548 » by **Bill Pidto** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:36 am

RingsDontLie wrote:I don't see Ball's game translating well into the NBA. He's going to be one of those great prospects whose game got exposed when entering the NBA. He might last a few seasons but I see him struggling against real NBA talent. His movements to me are robotic and a bit too textbook. I credit his work ethic and IQ for getting him this far. He's great for college, but unfortunately he's not a natural like these nba types.

Great players make things look effortless. When I watch Ball it's not effortless for him. And against lengthy, quick, and strong players he's going to struggle and be humbled quick. His slow and awkward shot release won't help his game. I think his ego is a bit much right now too, so I don't think he'll cope well being a role player in the NBA which is why I don't see him lasting long. Truth be told I see him as a Jeremy Lin type of player. Which is not bad, LIn got paid and Ball gonna get paid regardless. But Ball won't be an all star and he probably will be 2nd string or worse.

TKainZero · Post #549 » by **TKainZero** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:47 am

Coeur wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:Is Ball a PG?

All PG. will play no other position

He is a true PG

But, defensively he will have to guard 1-3, and on offense he can also slide down to the sg because he is an excellent shooter, and he even played mins at the forward spots at ucla. Ball could be used as a sf in small ball lineups.

All that being said, he is a true pg that controls the offense and sees the court excellent.

I still say that the biggest indicator that ball will be successful in the NBA is that he plays with two other ball dominant combo guards, one is the coaches son, and the other a younger brother of a NBA all-star. Ball is the lead guard and the other two still get fed, and are involved. That abiltiy to manage egos and make everyone better is something that cannot be understated or measured.

His biggest weakness? Perhaps to unselfish.

E-Balla · Post #550 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:19 pm

Coeur wrote:Before the season I expected Lonzo to be a pick in the teens and thought he'd be perfect for the knicks. I feel like he'd be the ideal player to pair with Carmelo and porzingis. His ball moving might be contagious

Best situations: NY or Orlando.

Worst situation: Sac or Orlando. Maybe 76'rs due to fit w Simmons

Yeah I remember starting a thread on the Knicks board hoping to get one of Monk, Fox, or Ball with the 14th pick when we inevitably got it. I'm mad they all shot their stock up.

cellar-door · Post #551 » by **cellar-door** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:14 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
cellar-door wrote:Kevin O'Connor wrote about Lonzo today, and it has some interesting stuff that plays into some of my concerns about him as a pro prospect.
https://theringer.com/lonzo-ball-ucla-shooting-mechanics-6eeda2ef3e41

Basically it covers some of the stuff we already know, he basically can only shoot stepbacks to his left with any consistency off the dribble. He has a bit of a hitch sometimes as he re-positions the ball.
The interesting one was about how he basically has only shot well with the Wilson ball UCLA uses. It's a small sample, but as O'Connor points out, so is his good 3pt shooting overall, he didn't shoot well at Adidas nations and he was only a mediocre 3pt shooter in HS.

Read that article today and it reaches way too much.

First, the number of "non-wilson" shots is way too low - it's a 44 shot sample. If he goes 7/12 in two games he's suddenly a 40% shooter without a wilson Ball. Second, to say that a 19 year old's most recent numbers are an outlier is just ridiculous. He's supposed to improve.

Ball has to learn how to shoot going right - that much is obvious to everyone. But he has good handles, is a smart passer, can finish at the rim, and - the most underrated part of him game and something that should help him in the NBA - he's a great off-ball mover. Not sure how he'll develop, but he's definitely worth the gamble of a top 5 pick.

All the samples are small as O'Connor notes. It's an interesting trend, and not significantly less predictive than the small sample of him being a good shooter.

madmaxmedia · Post #552 » by **madmaxmedia** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:45 pm

The Wilson ball thing is definitely overreaching, an interesting possibility to note but not worth taking up half the article. I think the non-conventional shooting form is fine in terms of success rate- he shoots a pretty good % and changing it will likely do more harm than good (he actually tried early in the season with poor results.) But it is a concern in terms of him getting his shot off- the potential issues with his set up and that little hitch in his form, and how he is going to be able to pull up and shoot going right, is pretty important.

But there is a pretty wide gulf between a Steph Curry and a Rajon Rondo, I don't see Ball being a deadly scorer, but his shot should be good enough to keep defenses honest. There's no way teams are going to be able to sag off him into a 5-on-4 defensive situation, as it is already established that he can knock down the open 3. It would be really nice though for him to improve his shooting form to make it more versatile.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #553 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:01 pm

Lonzo Ball reminds me so much of Jason Kidd, except Ball has a good jumpshot. I'd be tempted to draft him 1 or 2.

DrCoach · Post #554 » by **DrCoach** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:04 pm

I think a Team that values winning could take him #1 over Fultz

Stadium5 · Post #555 » by **Stadium5** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:41 pm

6'6'' J Kidd with a jump shot?

Yes sure I'll take him

dballislife · Post #556 » by **dballislife** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:46 pm

ball is at least rubio with better scoring

WalterBenjamin · Post #557 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:38 pm

dballislife wrote:ball is at least rubio with better scoring

So he is Wall with defense withouth the penetration with a shoot? :lol:

Ball is now where near the defensive project people think he is. That is why comparisons are bad. Somehow Ball is turning in to a plus defender with the Kidd, Rubio comps.

MaseInYourFace · Post #558 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:21 am

I think Lonzo BAll has a high bust probability. If you ask me too high for a guy being talked about as a can't miss pick.

MaseInYourFace · Post #559 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:23 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Lonzo Ball reminds me so much of Jason Kidd, except Ball has a good jumpshot. I'd be tempted to draft him 1 or 2.

His jumper isn't really that great. It's an ugly shot mechanically but granted he's making it work. But he is tall and playing college ball, in nba he might not be able to get the shot off as easily. I have my doubts on BAll.

Post #560 » by **Marcus** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:25 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:I think Lonzo BAll has a high bust probability. If you ask me too high for a guy being talked about as a can't miss pick.

high bust because?