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Re: '17 Draft Thread 3.0 

Post#41 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:38 pm

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ryaningf wrote:Catching up from the last iteration of this thread....



Property damage that resulted from a dispute with his teammates' ex-girlfriend in a public place, it's not cool it's certainly immature, but come on it's property damage.

Josh Jackson is EXACTLY the type of player that DA covets: intense, 2-way player with a chip on his shoulder. He's got that KG like intensity and plays his biggest during winning time. He's certainly at the top of our list and this incident changes nothing.


Look up what LaGerald Vick did to that woman. Jackson threatened to beat her. That's not property damage, that's an ****. He can change, and perhaps this is a wake up call, but this isn't 'property damage'. Don't undersell it.


You where not there and don't really know what happened. You know that woman and her friends said that Jackson made a threat. People lie all the time. Who knows exactly what happened. It's a bad look for Jackson unquestionably but is it's also entirely possible that:

- jackson is a 19/20 year old getting drunk for the first handful of times and doesn't know how to handle himself
- he kicks car
- the female ball players dislike the male players and especially jackson because of all the extra attention they get
- they decide to teach this kid a lesson and make this up, knowing that the victim had already had domestic violence problems and this would carry more weight in the media
- jacksons really a good kid who is hanging out with the wrong crowd

I'm not saying Josh is or isn't a good kid but let's not hang him yet.


The amount of assumptions you're making here are startling.

I also never said to hang him, and, as if this moment have him 3 on my board. But let's not be ignorant and pretend this was nothing.
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Re: '17 Draft Thread 3.0 

Post#42 » by lon3lytoaster » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:54 pm

So, I don't really care about Jackson's minor off court issues. I don't know if it's just Boston but it sometimes seems if you're not a saint and can't perform miracles people are quick to dismiss a player and want nothing to do with them.

There was definitely a contingent of people who didn't want KG because he has a "bad attitude" and was a "bad" teammate. I mean.

Punching Wally Sczerbiak is probably a bit worse than a spat with some college chick talking ****. But hey.
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Post#43 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:27 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:So, I don't really care about Jackson's minor off court issues. I don't know if it's just Boston but it sometimes seems if you're not a saint and can't perform miracles people are quick to dismiss a player and want nothing to do with them.

There was definitely a contingent of people who didn't want KG because he has a "bad attitude" and was a "bad" teammate. I mean.

Punching Wally Sczerbiak is probably a bit worse than a spat with some college chick talking ****. But hey.


I'd bet the number of people here who have punched a guy far outweighs the number of people here who have threatened to beat a chick. There's a reason for that. But you can spin it however you want.
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Post#44 » by greenroom31 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:23 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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jmr07019 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Look up what LaGerald Vick did to that woman. Jackson threatened to beat her. That's not property damage, that's an ****. He can change, and perhaps this is a wake up call, but this isn't 'property damage'. Don't undersell it.


You where not there and don't really know what happened. You know that woman and her friends said that Jackson made a threat. People lie all the time. Who knows exactly what happened. It's a bad look for Jackson unquestionably but is it's also entirely possible that:

- jackson is a 19/20 year old getting drunk for the first handful of times and doesn't know how to handle himself
- he kicks car
- the female ball players dislike the male players and especially jackson because of all the extra attention they get
- they decide to teach this kid a lesson and make this up, knowing that the victim had already had domestic violence problems and this would carry more weight in the media
- jacksons really a good kid who is hanging out with the wrong crowd

I'm not saying Josh is or isn't a good kid but let's not hang him yet.


The amount of assumptions you're making here are startling.

I also never said to hang him, and, as if this moment have him 3 on my board. But let's not be ignorant and pretend this was nothing.


I'm with you SWC. I have him in my top 4 so it's not like I'm saying don't draft him period, but this wasn't a situation where someone got drunk and kicked a random car. There are plenty of witnesses and threatening a woman isn't cool. GMs will be asking him about it and the impact will all depend on how he handles that situation. Could end up being nothing or could be a deciding factor between two players that are perceived to be really close in value otherwise (for example, Tatum).
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Post#45 » by greenroom31 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:29 pm

One guy who I think will continue to rise before the draft is Miles Bridges of Michigan State. He's young (just turned 19) and had a pretty solid tournament and year overall. He's got good strength and versatility, and if he measures out well at the draft could see him ending up in the 5-8 range compared to the #11 he's currently listed at on Draftexpress.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Miles-Bridges-81785/
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Post#46 » by TheMartian » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:35 pm

Can't wait for May to come around for the Draft Lottery.
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Re: '17 Draft Thread 3.0 

Post#47 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:23 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:So, I don't really care about Jackson's minor off court issues. I don't know if it's just Boston but it sometimes seems if you're not a saint and can't perform miracles people are quick to dismiss a player and want nothing to do with them.

There was definitely a contingent of people who didn't want KG because he has a "bad attitude" and was a "bad" teammate. I mean.

Punching Wally Sczerbiak is probably a bit worse than a spat with some college chick talking ****. But hey.


I'd bet the number of people here who have punched a guy far outweighs the number of people here who have threatened to beat a chick. There's a reason for that. But you can spin it however you want.


Honestly I'd imagine that this chick isn't a saint considering there was another accident with her and guy from the university. So she definitely has a way of doing things.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#48 » by Homerclease » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:37 pm

New DX video breakdown of Markelle Fultz up. Really shows off all the bells and whistles

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/markelle-fultz-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-video-analysis-5832/
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Post#49 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:41 pm

Boston34Bg wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:So, I don't really care about Jackson's minor off court issues. I don't know if it's just Boston but it sometimes seems if you're not a saint and can't perform miracles people are quick to dismiss a player and want nothing to do with them.

There was definitely a contingent of people who didn't want KG because he has a "bad attitude" and was a "bad" teammate. I mean.

Punching Wally Sczerbiak is probably a bit worse than a spat with some college chick talking ****. But hey.


I'd bet the number of people here who have punched a guy far outweighs the number of people here who have threatened to beat a chick. There's a reason for that. But you can spin it however you want.


Honestly I'd imagine that this chick isn't a saint considering there was another accident with her and guy from the university. So she definitely has a way of doing things.


Holy victim blaming... yeah, it's her fault LeGerald Vick beat the **** out of her, and her fault Jackson threatened to beat the **** outta her too.

I mean, are you guys serious with this right now? What he did wasn't "remove from draft board" worthy, but acting like it was nothing is just a joke. Its okay to admit something isn't okay and that a prospect you like made a mistake and may be an ****. Hopefully he grows up from this and it's just a blip on the radar.
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Re: '17 Draft Thread 3.0 

Post#50 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:55 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:[/b]

I'd bet the number of people here who have punched a guy far outweighs the number of people here who have threatened to beat a chick. There's a reason for that. But you can spin it however you want.


Honestly I'd imagine that this chick isn't a saint considering there was another accident with her and guy from the university. So she definitely has a way of doing things.


Holy victim blaming... yeah, it's her fault LeGerald Vick beat the **** out of her, and her fault Jackson threatened to beat the **** outta her too.

I mean, are you guys serious with this right now? What he did wasn't "remove from draft board" worthy, but acting like it was nothing is just a joke. Its okay to admit something isn't okay and that a prospect you like made a mistake and may be an ****. Hopefully he grows up from this and it's just a blip on the radar.


You do know that you don't get beat up just like that right? And you don't get into such conflicts without being a part of em and having a part of the guilt for the conflict itself.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#51 » by truth18 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:00 pm

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Post#52 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:01 pm

Boston34Bg wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Boston34Bg wrote:
Honestly I'd imagine that this chick isn't a saint considering there was another accident with her and guy from the university. So she definitely has a way of doing things.


Holy victim blaming... yeah, it's her fault LeGerald Vick beat the **** out of her, and her fault Jackson threatened to beat the **** outta her too.

I mean, are you guys serious with this right now? What he did wasn't "remove from draft board" worthy, but acting like it was nothing is just a joke. Its okay to admit something isn't okay and that a prospect you like made a mistake and may be an ****. Hopefully he grows up from this and it's just a blip on the radar.


You do know that you don't get beat up just like that right? And you don't get into such conflicts without being a part of em and having a part of the guilt for the conflict itself.


Google domestic abuse. Read about it. Hopefully you'll never have to live through it.

Women absolutely get beat for no good reason at all. Happens all the time and occurs every day. Unless she came at him with a weapon, its utterly absurd to blame a woman for getting beat or threatened to be beat.
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Post#53 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:25 pm

reload141 wrote:Bradley will be gone IMO he will cost too much, i'm totally OK with Fultz/Jackson then Ball.


I'm glad someone brought up Bradley here. For some time now my feeling has been that AB is likely the odd man out. He's gonna cost upwards of 20 mil to resign. We're about to draft another guard. It doesn't make sense to keep him. Smart can provide that pressure perimeter defense anyway. But watching AB since he has come back; seeing him defend Irving in crunchtime, harassing Steph Curry, blanketing Bradley Beal, I'm no longer sure that he isn't worth just resigning, even at the 20 mil figure he's gonna cost. As much as I love Jackson who is a stud, if we draft Fultz or Ball (who I had 4th on my depth chart but now rises for roster construction purposes), we have a primary ballhandler to guard the 2 spot on defense next to AB and next to Hayward who I'm all in on. Smart remains as the "6th starter" and as much as I love Bae, he now becomes the odd man out moved in a package for a big.

Of course I reserve my right to change my mind a billion more times before the draft but I think I now want the ballhandler, whether it's Fultz who will be devastating on the PnR in the halfcourt, or whether it's Ball who I think would slide in perfectly between AB and Gordon and with all the young talent on the team would bring an up-tempo brand of basketball that would definitely make all the players around him better. Of course we would have to deal with Lavar which would suck but I think for now I'm gonna slide Ball back up in front of Tatum and Jackson even though I love their games as well and go for the option that allows us to keep and use AB the best.
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Post#54 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Could Smart be the odd man out instead of Bradley? He probably has more trade value given a team has more control of his next contract.
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Post#55 » by rmal8852 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:09 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
reload141 wrote:Bradley will be gone IMO he will cost too much, i'm totally OK with Fultz/Jackson then Ball.


I'm glad someone brought up Bradley here. For some time now my feeling has been that AB is likely the odd man out. He's gonna cost upwards of 20 mil to resign. We're about to draft another guard. It doesn't make sense to keep him. Smart can provide that pressure perimeter defense anyway. But watching AB since he has come back; seeing him defend Irving in crunch-time, harassing Steph Curry, blanketing Bradley Beal, I'm no longer sure that he isn't worth just resigning, even at the 20 mil figure he's gonna cost. As much as I love Jackson who is a stud, if we draft Fultz or Ball (who I had 4th on my depth chart but now rises for roster construction purposes), we have a primary ballhandler to guard the 2 spot on defense next to AB and next to Hayward who I'm all in on. Smart remains as the "6th starter" and as much as I love Bae, he now becomes the odd man out moved in a package for a big..........................................



AB is my favorite Celtic, and IF he were more durable, I'd completely agree with you about giving him the $20mil, given how valuable he is to the team and also the possibility that he gets even better, given that his work ethic has made him add something and improve EVERY year. Plus he is our last connection to the PP/KG era.

Crowder's contract and durability make me want to keep him and trade AB in a package for a star. I don't like it, but it makes the most sense to me.
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Post#56 » by ViperGTS » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:18 pm

Homerclease wrote:New DX video breakdown of Markelle Fultz up. Really shows off all the bells and whistles

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/markelle-fultz-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-video-analysis-5832/


Good video and breakdown. Most of these top guys are so good it's hard to have a criteria for crading them. In the right situation, all of them will thrive or if not will fail.

It's Ball or Fultz for me. I'm actually leaning towards Ball a little bit more and I think that tourney performances can mean something.
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Post#57 » by ViperGTS » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:22 pm

"Of course we would have to deal with Lavar which would suck"

Just have Russell tell him to sit down and shut up.
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Post#58 » by rickrolled » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:39 pm

I just hope we're in a position to choose whom to pick, not after 1,2 or 3 teams picks first. Just for once let us win the damn lottery.

I dont mind the Suns getting the 2nd overall pick, they're in the west and not a rival. As long as the Fakers lose their pick i'm good. Hopefully they're in 3rd before the draft lottey.

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As long as the Sixers lose out on Fultz, Ball, Jackson it's great, they'll have another top 6 pick too.
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Post#59 » by Homerclease » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:48 pm

rickrolled wrote:I just hope we're in a position to choose whom to pick, not after 1,2 or 3 teams picks first. Just for once let us win the damn lottery.

I dont mind the Suns getting the 2nd overall pick, they're in the west and not a rival. As long as the Fakers lose their pick i'm good. Hopefully they're in 3rd before the draft lottey.

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Id rather see the lakers get the pick rather than the sixers pick twice in the top 10. They could come out of this draft with fox and Monk and be very happy with themselves. The downside obviously is that the lakers get one of the big 3 but they are so far off from being relevant that idgaf at this point. Philly is turning the corner and I don't like the idea of them drafting their backcourt of the future to go along with Embiid, Holmes, Simmons and Saric
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Post#60 » by ViperGTS » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:51 pm

Homerclease wrote:
rickrolled wrote:I just hope we're in a position to choose whom to pick, not after 1,2 or 3 teams picks first. Just for once let us win the damn lottery.

I dont mind the Suns getting the 2nd overall pick, they're in the west and not a rival. As long as the Fakers lose their pick i'm good. Hopefully they're in 3rd before the draft lottey.

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As long as the Sixers lose out on Fultz, Ball, Jackson it's great, they'll have another top 6 pick too.

Id rather see the lakers get the pick rather than the sixers pick twice in the top 10. They could come out of this draft with fox and Monk and be very happy with themselves. The downside obviously is that the lakers get one of the big 3 but they are so far off from being relevant that idgaf at this point. Philly is turning the corner and I don't like the idea of them drafting their backcourt of the future to go along with Embiid, Holmes, Simmons and Saric


Problem is, by the time they all get good and in sync, contracts will be due. Philly is in BIG trouble because their rookies are on such staggered rookie deals they are hosed. I'm not sure of Minnys situation but I assume it's somewhat similar.

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