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Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#1 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:30 am

In a result to currently watching the LAL Vs Clips game I thought I'd make this thread

As much as I like this team.

C: Zublocka/Black/Nance/Moz
PF: Randle/Nance/Deng? < T.Rob I forgot whoops
SF: Ingram/Young ???
SG: Russell/JC/Brewer/Young
PG: Ball/Nabra

I do feel if we get the pic we'll get Ball and try him out along with Russell

Am I missing someone for next year?

The question is while I like this team and I've said this b4 this team is 1 superstar/star player or 2 and/or a high flyer from actually contending in the playoffs.

The thing is are there many star players we can actually propose a trade for and see who accepts and if so who would be on the trading block?

A lot of star players seem to only have 1 or 2 years left on their contracts

Cousins
George
Butler

just to name a couple. Is it worth "at least proposing" a trade that might include Randle/JC/Black for 1 and hope that maybe someone like George would actually come and stay along with that star and having 2 stars?

Just some random thoughts popping through my head atm. But I feel like I said above the missing piece of this team is a star player < someone who can finish games, stay consistent etc ...

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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#2 » by Kilroy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:54 am

For this conversation to make any sense it needs to be grounded in reality a little... So when we say 'trade for star player' we mean trade Russell, Ingram or the pick for a star player... Probably 2 of the 3... Because nothing else we have is going to get us a star player...

That said, I think George and Butler could be had for one of those three each... I'd trade Russell for George and Ingram for Butler...
Then I'd try to sign Cousins in free agency... And pray that Butler, George and Luke could get his brain wired right...

I think this FO has pretty much painted itself into a corner and has to make a big move this off season. So I think somebody's getting traded...
But I wouldn't trade for any of them UNLESS I thought I could get one or 2 of the others too... I especially wouldn't trade for George alone if I didn't think I could get Butler too... I might trade for Butler because I think he's a tougher matchup than Goerge.

I really don't care anymore... Trade them all, and see what happens. But that's the kind of thing that either makes or breaks a franchise, so they better have a damn-good plan if they start shipping any of these guys.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#3 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:00 am

Kilroy wrote:I think this FO has pretty much painted itself into a corner and has to make a big move this off season. So I think somebody's getting traded...


Pretty much what I'm thinking, the question is which star player to go for?

I wouldn't want us to trade for George if we have a big shot at getting him in FA so who would be good to go for, that would work along side him? with out hopefully giving up too much in return. I think either JC or Dlo will be involved along with others. But hoping we'll keep the pic if we get it.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#4 » by Kilroy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:07 am

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Kilroy wrote:I think this FO has pretty much painted itself into a corner and has to make a big move this off season. So I think somebody's getting traded...


Pretty much what I'm thinking, the question is which star player to go for?

I wouldn't want us to trade for George if we have a big shot at getting him in FA so who would be good to go for, that would work along side him? with out hopefully giving up too much in return. I think either JC or Dlo will be involved along with others. But hoping we'll keep the pic if we get it.


I think the logic before the trade deadline, was you trade for George now so you can offer him the extra year on his next contract... Not sure if that is still true after the season. But I'm sure that's what he wanted... Now I think he's either going to get the extension he wants in Indy or plans to sign here as a Free Agent... But for us, that's a risk... You never want to give a star player a choice if you can avoid it... Because as soon as the contract offers start flying, all bets are off.

For me though, like I said, you don't trade for George alone... You make that trade with the intent of adding another star too... He's just not that bright a star...
Butler on the other hand, and in my personal opinion anyway, might be someone you go for on his own, but even he isn't going to get you to the upper levels of the NBA by himself...

Cousins takes you pretty far if you can build around him right and get him to play team ball.

So I don't know really... Just through all 3 out there because I think it would take all three, and a solid supporting cast to beat GSW or Cleveland.

We need Westbrook... Barring that, we're going to need a hell of a lot of luck and creativity to find a way to get 3 or 4 stars here over the next few years.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#5 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:10 am

Kilroy wrote:
skullz wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I think this FO has pretty much painted itself into a corner and has to make a big move this off season. So I think somebody's getting traded...


Pretty much what I'm thinking, the question is which star player to go for?

I wouldn't want us to trade for George if we have a big shot at getting him in FA so who would be good to go for, that would work along side him? with out hopefully giving up too much in return. I think either JC or Dlo will be involved along with others. But hoping we'll keep the pic if we get it.


I think you trade for George now so you can offer him the extra year on his next contract... Not sure if that is still true after the season. But I'm sure that's what he wants...

For me though, like I said, you don't trade for George alone... You make that trade with the intent of adding another star too... He's just not that bright a star...
Butler on the other hand, and in my personal opinion anyway, might be someone you go for on his own, but even he isn't going to get you to the upper levels of the NBA by himself...

Cousins takes you pretty far if you can build around him right and get him to play team ball.

So I don't know really... Just through all 3 out there because I think it would take all three, and a solid supporting cast to beat GSW or Cleveland.

We need Westbrook... Barring that, we're going to need a hell of a lot of luck and creativity to find a way to get 3 or 4 stars here over the next few years.


Not sure If want 3 or 4 stars. I think we can get it done with just 2 ... With the right players around them :)

But yeh agree once again apart from the 3-4 stars.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#6 » by Kilroy » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:18 am

skullz wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
skullz wrote:
Pretty much what I'm thinking, the question is which star player to go for?

I wouldn't want us to trade for George if we have a big shot at getting him in FA so who would be good to go for, that would work along side him? with out hopefully giving up too much in return. I think either JC or Dlo will be involved along with others. But hoping we'll keep the pic if we get it.


I think you trade for George now so you can offer him the extra year on his next contract... Not sure if that is still true after the season. But I'm sure that's what he wants...

For me though, like I said, you don't trade for George alone... You make that trade with the intent of adding another star too... He's just not that bright a star...
Butler on the other hand, and in my personal opinion anyway, might be someone you go for on his own, but even he isn't going to get you to the upper levels of the NBA by himself...

Cousins takes you pretty far if you can build around him right and get him to play team ball.

So I don't know really... Just through all 3 out there because I think it would take all three, and a solid supporting cast to beat GSW or Cleveland.

We need Westbrook... Barring that, we're going to need a hell of a lot of luck and creativity to find a way to get 3 or 4 stars here over the next few years.


Not sure If want 3 or 4 stars. I think we can get it done with just 2 ... With the right players around them :)

But yeh agree once again apart from the 3-4 stars.


Well, Championship contenders, don't have just 2 stars anymore... You need a minimum of 3 with a borderline 4th to be in the conversation... At least with the stars we know about right now...

So if you just want to trade for 2, you have to hope guys like Randle or Zubac become the 3rd 'star'...

I mean, I'd be willing to roll with JC/Butler/George/Randle/Zubac just to see what happens, but I wouldn't count on that being a true contender.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#7 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:36 am

I think the FO will be just fine. Nobody's gonna throw heat at them for not making a big splash. This year only has a few top FA's available...and none are linked with us. There's no "vibe" to be disappointed by.

If the Lakers do draft a PG...then there's no need for Lowry, Curry, CP3....and that eliminates half the top FA's anyhow.

I'd like to see them make a play at Lowry if we don't get a PG....but I don't think they will. You've got those 2 cement blocks around our ankles for the next 3 years. You give Lowry a big contract, and that's prob it. Casual fans won't understand all that....but Magic's not gonna get heat first go 'round.

I think they would be smart to wait on PG. Let Ingram get at least 1-more year. PG isn't elite. Not anymore. He's a really good scorer in a league chalked full of scorers. Ingram may end up being the better option anyhow.

I see it 3 ways: Magic/Rob already have a deal in place for either Moz or Deng. In which case, you might see alot happen. I think thats by far the least likely. Secondly...they try for PG. Make that splash....give up Ingram and our Houston pick. I think that's a mistake...but its well within the realm of possibility. Third.....they just chill. Make some inquiries to other teams.....but I think ultimately we stand pat. Get Fultz/Ball (crossing fingers), Let that combo with Russell play out...see how that looks. Give Ingram another year...and go from there.

Other than landing PG...I don't see anyone coming here. And if you can't dump Moz/Deng...then why not just wait until next year to straight pick up PG....which you may find out you don't even want to do.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#8 » by Fresh360Waves » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:48 am

We could, yes. But should we? Probably not. I'd rather wait and see how Golden State plays in the playoffs this year and use that as a precursor on when to attack and try to make a splash as well as try to get that pick to land Ball/Fultz/Jackson/Tatum whomever. I think the Warriors timeline as far as competing for a title may close faster than we think. If that's the case, then it's fair game in the NBA when it comes down to the future of title contenders for the next upcoming years.
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Post#9 » by john248 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:47 am

They should. Signing Mosgov and Deng really screwed much of any flexibility going forward.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#10 » by Penberthy » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:25 am

Kilroy wrote:For this conversation to make any sense it needs to be grounded in reality a little... So when we say 'trade for star player' we mean trade Russell, Ingram or the pick for a star player... Probably 2 of the 3... Because nothing else we have is going to get us a star player...

That said, I think George and Butler could be had for one of those three each... I'd trade Russell for George and Ingram for Butler...
Then I'd try to sign Cousins in free agency... And pray that Butler, George and Luke could get his brain wired right...

I think this FO has pretty much painted itself into a corner and has to make a big move this off season. So I think somebody's getting traded...
But I wouldn't trade for any of them UNLESS I thought I could get one or 2 of the others too... I especially wouldn't trade for George alone if I didn't think I could get Butler too... I might trade for Butler because I think he's a tougher matchup than Goerge.

I really don't care anymore... Trade them all, and see what happens. But that's the kind of thing that either makes or breaks a franchise, so they better have a damn-good plan if they start shipping any of these guys.


Ummmm, i think so...
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#11 » by Kilroy » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:28 am

Penberthy wrote:
Kilroy wrote:For this conversation to make any sense it needs to be grounded in reality a little... So when we say 'trade for star player' we mean trade Russell, Ingram or the pick for a star player... Probably 2 of the 3... Because nothing else we have is going to get us a star player...

That said, I think George and Butler could be had for one of those three each... I'd trade Russell for George and Ingram for Butler...
Then I'd try to sign Cousins in free agency... And pray that Butler, George and Luke could get his brain wired right...

I think this FO has pretty much painted itself into a corner and has to make a big move this off season. So I think somebody's getting traded...
But I wouldn't trade for any of them UNLESS I thought I could get one or 2 of the others too... I especially wouldn't trade for George alone if I didn't think I could get Butler too... I might trade for Butler because I think he's a tougher matchup than Goerge.

I really don't care anymore... Trade them all, and see what happens. But that's the kind of thing that either makes or breaks a franchise, so they better have a damn-good plan if they start shipping any of these guys.


Ummmm, i think so...
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Butler Clarkson
PG Vet Min LAL2nd
Nance Vet Min Hou1st
Cousins Zubac

But how do we clear dengMoz contracts to make space?


Well we try to dump one of them at least as filler for either Butler or PG and we miracle the other one away somehow... That's what Pinklowe and his connections is for. 8-)
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#12 » by Pythagoras » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:59 am

It depends on what the Lakers would have to give up. Hell no to any trade proposal involving Ingram or Russell. Those two have just as much potential as Parker/Antetokounmpo, and that Bucks duo is right there with Wiggins/Towns for the discussion of best duos in the NBA under the age of 24 (although Jokic/Harris are coming in hot too).

I'd consider trading the pick for the right deal, but my preference would be to keep it. If its top two then hell no to attaching another significant asset to it for George or Butler. If its number three I would attach Clarkson at most to it for a star.

The more I see of Zubac the less inclined I am to trade him. I'd still trade him straight up for a star, but I'm not including him as part of a large package with other significant assets. That leaves Randle. I'm starting to view Randle as I view Zubac, but I'm not quite there as strongly yet. So the answer is I guess is: "yes, we should trade if the price is right, but the more I see of the young core the faster that price is rising."

Really the ideal is to keep the core of Randle/Russell/Ingram/Zubac together and just add a couple elite role player to that group this offseason, while jettisoning some of the dead weight.
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Post#13 » by SlimShady83 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:53 am

If the pick in this years draft Ball/Fults is as good as everyone is saying, then wouldn't be good to maybe offer either Butler/PG for Randle/Russell + fillers for one of them and hope that's enough to get another star? we would still have ingram + top pic
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#14 » by Pythagoras » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:20 am

skullz wrote:If the pick in this years draft Ball/Fults is as good as everyone is saying, then wouldn't be good to maybe offer either Butler/PG for Randle/Russell + fillers for one of them and hope that's enough to get another star? we would still have ingram + top pic


Nope.

First off Russell and Ingram are untouchable. There will be no consideration of trading either player. Next, Ball is an elite prospect whose game would fit like a glove next to Ingram and Russell. If he falls into this team's lap you couldn't script a core better than that. Fultz is an elite prospect as well, but his game doesn't fit quite as nice. You could make it work, but you'd need to definitely move most of the current pieces surrounding them to do so. is quite as nice a compliment.

Then there is the price. I would do Randle/Clarkson for Butler or PG. I would do Zubac/Clarkson. I would consider Randle/Zubac, maybe. I would consider the pick, maybe.

Russell/Randle/Ingram/Zubac/pick + overpaying for one of Gallo/Ibaka/Hill/Millsap >>>>>> PG/pick/Ingram/Zubac.

Moreover, in the first scenario, the Lakers could still move enough cash around to be a player in FA in 2018 if they wanted.
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Post#15 » by dAdo dA dEvil » Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:24 pm

Pythagoras wrote:
skullz wrote:If the pick in this years draft Ball/Fults is as good as everyone is saying, then wouldn't be good to maybe offer either Butler/PG for Randle/Russell + fillers for one of them and hope that's enough to get another star? we would still have ingram + top pic


Nope.

First off Russell and Ingram are untouchable. There will be no consideration of trading either player. Next, Ball is an elite prospect whose game would fit like a glove next to Ingram and Russell. If he falls into this team's lap you couldn't script a core better than that. Fultz is an elite prospect as well, but his game doesn't fit quite as nice. You could make it work, but you'd need to definitely move most of the current pieces surrounding them to do so. is quite as nice a compliment.

Then there is the price. I would do Randle/Clarkson for Butler or PG. I would do Zubac/Clarkson. I would consider Randle/Zubac, maybe. I would consider the pick, maybe.

Russell/Randle/Ingram/Zubac/pick + overpaying for one of Gallo/Ibaka/Hill/Millsap >>>>>> PG/pick/Ingram/Zubac.

Moreover, in the first scenario, the Lakers could still move enough cash around to be a player in FA in 2018 if they wanted.


I believe Ingram is untouchable. DLo not so much. If the rumor is true that the Kings wanted DLo and Ingram for Cousins then it goes to show that Ingram is Untouchable and DLo is not. Remember, the trade did not happen because Lakers refused to add Ingram in the mix. Meaning, had it been DLo and fillers (any other Laker/s else not named Ingram), Cousins is probably a Laker now. And realistically, if we are to target a star in a trade it a Randle + Clarkson won't do. The other team will ask for DLo and Randle (and probably the pick if we keep it) because they are the ones who have the highest trade value right now. I don't see us giving away Ingram (we already refused to part with him in the Cousins deal) and Zubac is gold right now considering his salary, age and skill set.
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Post#16 » by Pythagoras » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:00 pm

dAdo dA dEvil wrote:
Pythagoras wrote:
skullz wrote:If the pick in this years draft Ball/Fults is as good as everyone is saying, then wouldn't be good to maybe offer either Butler/PG for Randle/Russell + fillers for one of them and hope that's enough to get another star? we would still have ingram + top pic


Nope.

First off Russell and Ingram are untouchable. There will be no consideration of trading either player. Next, Ball is an elite prospect whose game would fit like a glove next to Ingram and Russell. If he falls into this team's lap you couldn't script a core better than that. Fultz is an elite prospect as well, but his game doesn't fit quite as nice. You could make it work, but you'd need to definitely move most of the current pieces surrounding them to do so. is quite as nice a compliment.

Then there is the price. I would do Randle/Clarkson for Butler or PG. I would do Zubac/Clarkson. I would consider Randle/Zubac, maybe. I would consider the pick, maybe.

Russell/Randle/Ingram/Zubac/pick + overpaying for one of Gallo/Ibaka/Hill/Millsap >>>>>> PG/pick/Ingram/Zubac.

Moreover, in the first scenario, the Lakers could still move enough cash around to be a player in FA in 2018 if they wanted.


I believe Ingram is untouchable. DLo not so much. If the rumor is true that the Kings wanted DLo and Ingram for Cousins then it goes to show that Ingram is Untouchable and DLo is not. Remember, the trade did not happen because Lakers refused to add Ingram in the mix. Meaning, had it been DLo and fillers (any other Laker/s else not named Ingram), Cousins is probably a Laker now. And realistically, if we are to target a star in a trade it a Randle + Clarkson won't do. The other team will ask for DLo and Randle (and probably the pick if we keep it) because they are the ones who have the highest trade value right now. I don't see us giving away Ingram (we already refused to part with him in the Cousins deal) and Zubac is gold right now considering his salary, age and skill set.


Actually the rumor doesn't prove that at all. There's no evidence that anyone else in the organization wanted to trade D'Lo besides Jim, who also wanted to trade Ingram. Notice he's been fired.

It's because there should be no discussion about trading either of them.
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Re: Could/Should we trade for star players? 

Post#17 » by J_LA » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:30 pm

As long as we don't trade Russell or Ingram, sure we should. I realize it will be hard to do though without including one of those 2 and I'm ok with that.
As far as the pick, I get the feeling that there is no way were trading one of the first 2 picks. I think if we get the 3rd pick however they will attempt to package it with something else for Paul George.
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Post#18 » by Landsberger » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:18 pm

If it makes the team better you trade anyone on the team. It's that simple. What we fans think of the players is typically different than GM's and coaches who see what we don't.

In looking at our squad I don't see it growing into anything special without the addition of a true leader and a scorer. We have some guys who will be great number 2's maybe but I'm not seeing THAT guy in any of them. At any given time there are only a few of those players in the game and I'm not sure we could get one anyway with our assets.
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Post#19 » by Michael Lucky » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:34 pm

No. You only have enough to trade for 1 star, not more than that. With the new CBA and the vast incentives for all nba players (the players that actually matter if you want to win a title) to stay with their team, you would just be forced to spend 3-5 more years as a fringe playoff team before finally rebuilding again. You maximize the rebuilding opportunity before you go full tilt. Yes it might take 5-7 years total, but the way people just jump at any big names could lead to a 15-20 year rebuilding process (and if the FO doesn't learn from their mistakes you become the Knicks of the NBA) before truly contending for a title. Fans need to learn patience even if that's asking too much of them, it's really the only choice we have.
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Post#20 » by Princeinrevolt » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:00 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:No. You only have enough to trade for 1 star, not more than that. With the new CBA and the vast incentives for all nba players (the players that actually matter if you want to win a title) to stay with their team, you would just be forced to spend 3-5 more years as a fringe playoff team before finally rebuilding again. You maximize the rebuilding opportunity before you go full tilt. Yes it might take 5-7 years total, but the way people just jump at any big names could lead to a 15-20 year rebuilding process (and if the FO doesn't learn from their mistakes you become the Knicks of the NBA) before truly contending for a title. Fans need to learn patience even if that's asking too much of them, it's really the only choice we have.

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