PG: Golden State Warriors (111) - Oklahoma City Thunder (95) | 3/20/17

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Taj Gibson | 10 PTS (5-10 FG)
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9%
Victor Oladipo | 17 PTS (6-14 FG) 6 REB 5 AST
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36%
Russell Westbrook | 15 PTS (4-16 FG) 8 REB 7 AST
1
9%
Enes Kanter | 15 PTS (6-16 FG) 10 REB
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Semaj Christon | 10 PTS (4-4 FG)
5
45%
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Re: PG: Golden State Warriors (111) - Oklahoma City Thunder (95) | 3/20/17 

Post#21 » by spearsy23 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:30 pm

Osirus89 wrote:I'm for getting rid of Donovan, but I'm not sure who would be the best to bring in. Presti isn't exactly hands off and Russ is used to having free rein on offense. I would love to bring in someone who is more authoritarian, but I have no idea how that would go over with Russ. The only coach like that in the league that would work for is Pop. Also a lot of prospective coaches now want the dual role of GM/Coach, which would mean Presti and Donovan are both out. I just can't see management doing something so drastic, even if it might be the right course of action. Messina from SA? I can't see JVG coming unless he had GM power as well just like his brother. McHale?

Messina is the guy I want, but McHale is probably the better answer for Russ.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#22 » by InTheSabonus » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:47 am

Pillendreher wrote:-Adams and Dipo are becoming 'Schönwetterspieler'. This German expression means that somebody only brings it if the weather is 'nice', ie they perform well when things in general go well, but they suck once things go south. I can't remember a single game in which either one of them really stepped up and kept us from losing. You?


I haven't seen the term used in basketball media, but down under we call players like that flat track bullies.

I'm not too sure about it though. Adams has historically been dependable with us, and if anything, has played better when the stakes are high. Even when the stats don't reflect it. Hell, without him getting ZBo to punch him, we might well have gotten eliminated in the first round in 2014. And he left nothing on the floor in last years playoffs.

Victor, I can see it. He needs a shot of confidence big time. He has the skills. When he's feeling it he can absolutely be a #2 option on a championship level team, which is what we need him to be. But he just retreats into his shell sometimes. He doesn't get free throws because he doesn't go into the bodies of players...when he's one of the best dunkers in the league. He's strong and he can jump, but you wouldn't think it when he goes for layups.

And I think also with Vic is that he gets a bit of the Ibaka treatment sometimes. That we just forget him. He can be playing well and all of a sudden not touch the ball in the 4th. On paper I'd even prefer Victor taking clutch 3 point shots to Russ, but we rarely see that. I think he'd really benefit from having a couple of games where Russ defers to him more than he's currently doing, let him lead, get some confidence up. Alternatively if we were in a position to rest Russ then that could also be another great chance for Vic to get some confidence (but we probably won't be).

Both players have the tools to become consistent 2nd and 3rd options. 30ppg from Russ, 20ppg and 15ppg from Adams would hold us in great stead as far as a 'big 3' goes, and on paper, seems realistic. The question is whether the coaching staff get them there.
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Post#23 » by oken » Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:03 am

For the coach part is you are searching for the Euroleague version of an angry Pops, Obradovic is the guy, he is the ultimate diva tamer:

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Post#24 » by bondom34 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:03 am

I don't see Russ as a diva, and certainly not uncoachable. If you've seen him since he was young, he's done nothing but improve everything, including decision making. It's not like it's just him out there doing his own thing entirely, there's nobody else to do much and no motion other than "toss it to Enes". They just need someone to actually get guys moving more.
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Re: PG: Golden State Warriors (111) - Oklahoma City Thunder (95) | 3/20/17 

Post#25 » by Pillendreher » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:21 am

spearsy23 wrote:
Osirus89 wrote:I'm for getting rid of Donovan, but I'm not sure who would be the best to bring in. Presti isn't exactly hands off and Russ is used to having free rein on offense. I would love to bring in someone who is more authoritarian, but I have no idea how that would go over with Russ. The only coach like that in the league that would work for is Pop. Also a lot of prospective coaches now want the dual role of GM/Coach, which would mean Presti and Donovan are both out. I just can't see management doing something so drastic, even if it might be the right course of action. Messina from SA? I can't see JVG coming unless he had GM power as well just like his brother. McHale?

Messina is the guy I want, but McHale is probably the better answer for Russ.


Remember how two years ago we were saying that Presti just hired a buddy of his? I highly doubt he'd get a coach with a philosophy, a certain way he thinks the game should be played.
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said
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Re: PG: Golden State Warriors (111) - Oklahoma City Thunder (95) | 3/20/17 

Post#26 » by spearsy23 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:57 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Osirus89 wrote:I'm for getting rid of Donovan, but I'm not sure who would be the best to bring in. Presti isn't exactly hands off and Russ is used to having free rein on offense. I would love to bring in someone who is more authoritarian, but I have no idea how that would go over with Russ. The only coach like that in the league that would work for is Pop. Also a lot of prospective coaches now want the dual role of GM/Coach, which would mean Presti and Donovan are both out. I just can't see management doing something so drastic, even if it might be the right course of action. Messina from SA? I can't see JVG coming unless he had GM power as well just like his brother. McHale?

Messina is the guy I want, but McHale is probably the better answer for Russ.


Remember how two years ago we were saying that Presti just hired a buddy of his? I highly doubt he'd get a coach with a philosophy, a certain way he thinks the game should be played.

I don't think any of it matters because Billy is here until either he decided to leave or Presti is canned.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Re: PG: Golden State Warriors (111) - Oklahoma City Thunder (95) | 3/20/17 

Post#27 » by Pillendreher » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:22 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:Messina is the guy I want, but McHale is probably the better answer for Russ.


Remember how two years ago we were saying that Presti just hired a buddy of his? I highly doubt he'd get a coach with a philosophy, a certain way he thinks the game should be played.

I don't think any of it matters because Billy is here until either he decided to leave or Presti is canned.


I agree. Especially after we gave him a 5/30 contract (which is insane).
"I don't know of any player that, when the shot goes up, he doesn't want it to go in," Donovan said

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