HTowns Finest wrote:RCM88x wrote:HTowns Finest wrote:The last 2 seasons since Aldridge has been aboard, the Spurs have gone 13-4 without Kawhi Leonard. This year currently Kawhi has 8 double doubles on the season, count them 8. While Harden has 56 and Westbrook has 52 double doubles on the season. Kawhi doesn't lead the league in not a single statistical category. Again Kawhi is having a good but not great season and if removed from the Spurs for any given reason that team would still win. People are pushing the Kawhi narrative imo because he is the best 2 way player currently in the league. Aside from the stats I just presented, I can't personally see Leonard leading a team to a 55+ win season without former all-stars and benefiting from Pops system.
I will agree with you in regards to LeBron being good at a lot of aspects of the game but their are plenty of nights were Irving simply has to will that team to a W. If the game were on the line Kyrie would get the ball for the go ahead basket more times than LeBron. Although I get your Kyrie plays crap defense comment, we both know that the NBA has always been 80% offense 15% defense and 5% luck. You can't stop a great player, most times you can't even contain them but you can limit them to a degree. And Kyrie is a great offensive player, much better than LeBron is on most occasions that was my initial point. But you are correct that LeBron is the better overall player.
I don't agree that Westbrook has a bad team. There are some good players on that roster who plenty of teams could use. Gibson, Oladipo, Sabonis, McDermott, Kanter, Adams all have positive trade value around the league. It's your job as the leader of the team to make all of these parts click. If you can't then you shouldn't be considered for the MVP. Which is my reason for giving the MVP nod to James Harden.
Kyrie's not a better offensive player than Lebron lmao. Perhaps a better scorer at times, but not better offensively, not even close.
There probably isn't a single stat on the planet that gives Kyrie the edge offensively this season.
You gotta lay off that BSPN dude. Off with your LeBron James is the greatest player ever narrative bro. Leave Sports Center alone. The only thing that LeBron does at an elite level offensively is go to the hoop and find open teammates. Kyrie has a better handle than LeBron, is a better shooter than LeBron (not counting dunks and layups), and is WAY MORE CLUTCH than LeBron will ever be. Please explain to me what makes LeBron so great offensively besides the things I already stated.
Can you please provide anything to back up that he's a better offensive player other than your Youtube comment level logic?
Lebron has Kyrie beat in....
PPG
ORB
AST
AST/Turn
FG%
2P%
eFG%
FT
FTA
ORGT
OBPM
WS/48
OWS
Lower USG%
AST%
ORB%
FTr
TS%
PER
0-3ft FG%
3-10ft FG%
Offensive +/-
Points created by Assists (1413 v. 861, or 22.4ppg v. 14.1ppg)
SfDrawn
And1
ESPN ORPM
He's also an infinitely better off ball player, and screener.
They are esentially equal in:
3P% (Kyrie has a higher attempt rate by the percentage is esentially equivalent, 39.3 vs. 38.5)
10-16 FG% (48.4 vs. 44.9)
3P %Ast'd (51.7 vs. 48.2)
Corner 3P% (40.5 vs. 40.6
Kyrie is better at:
Ast:Turnover ratio
TOV%
FT%
16 <3 FG%
He's the better ball handler, and shot creator for himself, and is probably the best "iso" scorer in the league. Lebron is somewhere in the top 4-6, but I don't have the exact numbers in front of me at this point.
I don't have time to look up "clutch" numbers, but I know that Lebron is consistently elite level in clutch +/-, and clutch FG%. Kyrie is good, but not elite, inconsistency really due to his poor decision making and often time poor shot selection. For every great shot he makes, he misses one as well, which is pretty much the story for every good player.
I also don't have time to look up more advanced numbers than tell the same story I'm telling you.
Sorry, but I have very little respect for someone who claims Kyrie is the better offensive player. I've watched these guys play together 80+ times over the last 3 years, Kyrie the 3 years before that, and Lebron 4-6 years before that... Maybe if all you look at is PPG and highlights on Vine or Youtube you'll have a different opinion than me, but I feel like I have a bit better grasp on this sort of thing than that kind of person, no offense to them, but its probably true.
