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BadMofoPimp wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
The so called "Writing on the wall" is zero proof without documented facts. Otherwise, it is personal opinions based off personal observation in front of a computer.
I'm still waiting on your facts against it.
My facts are Henny's decisions!!!
Xatticus wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:Nyce_1 wrote:if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.
100 And 1's for this! Somebody who finally understands what has been going on, instead of looking for a scapegoat and just pointing the finger at Rob.
So Hennigan should be given more time due to his impotence?
Nemesis21 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:
I'm still waiting on your facts against it.
My facts are Henny's decisions!!!
Wrong. Try again.
OS: How much pressure do you feel from yourself and from within the organization?
Hennigan: I would say the pressure I put on myself is probably greater than any external pressure that I feel. But certainly in this type of business that’s very public and a business that requires sort of zero-sum results, I absolutely feel pressure and put a lot of pressure on myself to continue to improve the team as quickly as possible.
OS: Do you worry about your job security?
Hennigan: That’s not for me to really comment on. I worry about coming to work every day and doing the best I can with the great group we have and trying to continue to push the team forward.
Back in February, nearly simultaneous with the firing of the underachieving Jacque Vaughn there were whispers around the league the Magic would be interested in hiring Scott Skiles.
There are a few things out of the ordinary there.
One is we have all seen Rob Hennigan does not leak anything to the media. Two, Rob Hennigan believes in his process. The idea ANYBODY, let alone a coach with a mediocre résumé in Skiles, would be a front-runner the moment the Magic fired Jacque Vaughn conflicts with Hennigan’s ideas on “process.”
The dots were too easy to connect. The media had information to connect them and the rumor persisted until it truly became fact.
This connection was the precursor to the seeming end of Rob Hennigan’s process.
As time went on, reports leaked left and right the Magic were getting closer to hiring Scott Skiles. Last Saturday it was reported Skiles was the “front-runner” to become Orlando’s next head coach (he obviously did become the next head coach). Interestingly enough in that article something interesting was written:
Skiles, 51, has been the preferred choice of Orlando ownership, which has been fond of him since his playing days with the Magic in the 1990s.
That message should have sent off alarms for Magic fans. The “process” that had guided Orlando during this rebuild was in jeopardy
The buck stops with the man at the top. And Martins cannot be fully without blame for this sudden and surprising departure.
Throughout Skiles’ yearlong tenure as coach with the team he once played for, Martins publicly tried to distance himself. He was insistent at the press conference last summer the hiring decision was general manager Rob Hennigan’s and Hennigan’s alone. Hennigan repeated Thursday as Skiles resigned the decision still rested from him.
Smarter minds knew and have suggested otherwise however, despite Martins’ repeated denials of his role in Skiles’ hiring.
When Jacque Vaughn was dismissed midway through the 2015 season, there was no question Skiles used the outlets he was familiar with to express interest in the position. Skiles’ name quickly emerged as a rumored candidate seemingly the moment Vaughn was fired.
Rumors after Skiles’ resignation certainly shed light on just how that pursuit went, as NBA SiriusXM host Justin Termine outlined this week:
That job-campaigning effort led him to Martins, a man who was one of the team’s original employees much like Skiles was one of their first notable players. The coach who had had stops in Phoenix, Chicago and Milwaukee needed a powerful voice to convince Hennigan to make the hire.
After all, nothing in his basketball background would suggest Skiles would be the coach Hennigan would target.
Hennigan is an apple that does not fall far from the San Antonio Spurs tree. That means always looking for the next big thing, both on the court and on the bench.
A coach that had proven himself as a league-average coach during each of his stints while also wearing his players patience thin certainly would not fit that bill. Skiles always had a ceiling — even if that ceiling was someplace the Magic needed to stop first in their rebuild.
Fortunately for Skiles, Hennigan answers directly to Martins. All that was needed for a decision to be made in direct opposition with his ideology of innovation was some carefully placed nudging.
Who can ignore directives from their boss? Or even a well-placed recommendation?
This is why it does not make sense for those rabid fans seeking to pin this failure on Hennigan. Even Hennigan’s sharpest critics recognize how Hennigan was hamstrung. Most of them in their real jobs would also take a boss’ suggestions in stride.
They might even follow them to such a point that it puts their own career in peril. That is where Hennigan stands now, destined to see his constructed roster either make the playoffs or be out of a job.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:
My facts are Henny's decisions!!!
Wrong. Try again.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-orlando-magic-rob-hennigan-interview-0124-story.htmlOS: How much pressure do you feel from yourself and from within the organization?
Hennigan: I would say the pressure I put on myself is probably greater than any external pressure that I feel. But certainly in this type of business that’s very public and a business that requires sort of zero-sum results, I absolutely feel pressure and put a lot of pressure on myself to continue to improve the team as quickly as possible.
OS: Do you worry about your job security?
Hennigan: That’s not for me to really comment on. I worry about coming to work every day and doing the best I can with the great group we have and trying to continue to push the team forward.
PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
Well to be fair, Skiles was a better coach than any coach Rob hired, so maybe Martins and Devos know what they doing.
Nemesis21 wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
This. BMP is a good poster IMO. But from time to time his posts are borderline trolling. He likes to stir things up.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
This. BMP is a good poster IMO. But from time to time his posts are borderline trolling. He likes to stir things up.
Could it be said posting that Magic representatives are the problem with Zero documented proof is trolling?
asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
Well to be fair, Skiles was a better coach than any coach Rob hired, so maybe Martins and Devos know what they doing.
PennytoShaq wrote:asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
Well to be fair, Skiles was a better coach than any coach Rob hired, so maybe Martins and Devos know what they doing.
You think Martins knows what he is doing now? The board has done a 180.
PennytoShaq wrote:asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
Well to be fair, Skiles was a better coach than any coach Rob hired, so maybe Martins and Devos know what they doing.
You think Martins knows what he is doing now? The board has done a 180.
Nemesis21 wrote:asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:BMP makes a lot of trollish posts sometimes. It doesn't take much inside info to know Martins and Devos played a huge hand in the hiring of Skiles.
Well to be fair, Skiles was a better coach than any coach Rob hired, so maybe Martins and Devos know what they doing.
To be fair Rob hired JV and Vogel. Borrego was promoted to interim after JV fired. So I'll give you Skiles better than JV, but overall not just based on this season and last, Skiles is not better than Vogel.
asianguy wrote:Nemesis21 wrote:asianguy wrote:Well to be fair, Skiles was a better coach than any coach Rob hired, so maybe Martins and Devos know what they doing.
To be fair Rob hired JV and Vogel. Borrego was promoted to interim after JV fired. So I'll give you Skiles better than JV, but overall not just based on this season and last, Skiles is not better than Vogel.
I always thought Vogel is a younger more player-oriented version of Skiles(a better Skiles) however, so far I'm not impressed, he got a better overall roster than Skiles and produced worst record, I wonder if his success was really all Paul George's.
PennytoShaq wrote:He has a better roster? Not according to many posters here who would like to still have Harris and Oladipo, and hate Fournier and Biz.
asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:He has a better roster? Not according to many posters here who would like to still have Harris and Oladipo, and hate Fournier and Biz.
Do you believe that Skiles had a better roster? even though a lot of the young core is 1 year older under Vogel? If you do then there really not much to argue about, Rob deserved to be fired on the spot.
tiderulz wrote:asianguy wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:He has a better roster? Not according to many posters here who would like to still have Harris and Oladipo, and hate Fournier and Biz.
Do you believe that Skiles had a better roster? even though a lot of the young core is 1 year older under Vogel? If you do then there really not much to argue about, Rob deserved to be fired on the spot.
i believe Skiles had a better overall fit for roster. we have been looking for a SF since the season began.
