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Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick?

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Would you trade Middleton for the Nets pick (Boston deal)?

Yes, it makes sense
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No, keep Middleton, he's too valuable
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#201 » by DingleJerry » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:35 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:As previously stated, Fultz or Ball and I pull the trigger. Boston would not.


Probably Fultz only for me.
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Post#202 » by BucksPackers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:47 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:As previously stated, Fultz or Ball and I pull the trigger. Boston would not.


Probably Fultz only for me.



Have you seen Ball in the tourney. I was only on the Fultz band wagon too. But this kid Ball is quick and has a better shot then I thought. And his court vision is a better version of Rubios.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#203 » by DingleJerry » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:53 pm

BucksPackers wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:As previously stated, Fultz or Ball and I pull the trigger. Boston would not.


Probably Fultz only for me.



Have you seen Ball in the tourney. I was only on the Fultz band wagon too. But this kid Ball is quick and has a better shot then I thought. And his court vision is a better version of Rubios.


He's also going to be bad on D, turn it over a bunch, has a shotform that's totally effed, and have a headcase dad and the media circus that will come with him. And if he does pan out you'll never trust him to stick in MKE.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#204 » by Chapter29 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:54 pm

Mags FTW wrote:How is "No" winning? You guys are nuts.


Uh, because we have a proven commodity that is a near all-star player? This pick has no certainty to be an all-star player. I'd say the odds of this pick being better than Middleton (after a couple of years as well in all likelihood) is probably less than 50%.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#205 » by BucksPackers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:55 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
BucksPackers wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
Probably Fultz only for me.



Have you seen Ball in the tourney. I was only on the Fultz band wagon too. But this kid Ball is quick and has a better shot then I thought. And his court vision is a better version of Rubios.


He's also going to be bad on D, turn it over a bunch, has a shotform that's totally effed, and have a headcase dad and the media circus that will come with him. And if he does pan out you'll never trust him to stick in MKE.



Lol that is true.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#206 » by tydett » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:15 pm

Middleton is our team MVP (even though Giannis is a better overall player), and I'll think of it in terms of this: Taking the 2014 draft, would I have traded Middleton for a top 3 pick knowing that they were Wiggins, Jabari, and Embiid? All three looked like franchise players, and now it's possible none of them become one. Meanwhile, Middleton is a force and of those three, none of them might become as good as Midds.
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Post#207 » by Mags FTW » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:17 pm

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Mags FTW wrote:How is "No" winning? You guys are nuts.


Uh, because we have a proven commodity that is a near all-star player? This pick has no certainty to be an all-star player. I'd say the odds of this pick being better than Middleton (after a couple of years as well in all likelihood) is probably less than 50%.

He plays what is arguably the easiest position to replace. I would take the chance at a franchise-altering PG.
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Post#208 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:27 pm

An elite two-way scoring wing is the "easiest" position to replace?

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Post#209 » by SKG » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:28 pm

I always liked middleton and this year i like him a little bit more cause he knows his role
We alteady know what mids can do and he wont be a superstar thats for sure, with that said id only trade him for a top 5 pick, theres a lot of superstar potential players on this draft.

Thing is bucks aint getting that pick

Wonder if nets are willig to give up 19 and 20 1st round pick, we could throw in henson aswell
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#210 » by GB_Packers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:46 pm

Mags FTW wrote:
Chapter29 wrote:
Mags FTW wrote:How is "No" winning? You guys are nuts.


Uh, because we have a proven commodity that is a near all-star player? This pick has no certainty to be an all-star player. I'd say the odds of this pick being better than Middleton (after a couple of years as well in all likelihood) is probably less than 50%.

He plays what is arguably the easiest position to replace. I would take the chance at a franchise-altering PG.



And you have the audacity to call others nuts :lol:
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#211 » by BucksPackers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:01 pm

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Mags FTW wrote:
Chapter29 wrote:
Uh, because we have a proven commodity that is a near all-star player? This pick has no certainty to be an all-star player. I'd say the odds of this pick being better than Middleton (after a couple of years as well in all likelihood) is probably less than 50%.

He plays what is arguably the easiest position to replace. I would take the chance at a franchise-altering PG.



And you have the audacity to call others nuts :lol:




SG and SF are the easiest positions to fill lol. A franchise PG is the main difference between elite teams and teams that are just good.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#212 » by Chad34 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:06 pm

tydett wrote:Middleton is our team MVP (even though Giannis is a better overall player), and I'll think of it in terms of this: Taking the 2014 draft, would I have traded Middleton for a top 3 pick knowing that they were Wiggins, Jabari, and Embiid? All three looked like franchise players, and now it's possible none of them become one. Meanwhile, Middleton is a force and of those three, none of them might become as good as Midds.

I'm sorry but I totally disagree that Middleton is the mvp of this team. If you reverse roles and Giannis was out for an extended period of time, his absence would be felt far greater. I think some people are short sighted and have forgotten how dominant Giannis was throughout the first half of the year. I really think it has taken a toll on him, having to carry the team in every way on his back. Regardless, He's still playing at a pretty high level. I know Giannis will come back even stronger next year from this experience. Giannis is and will be (as long as he plays for the Bucks) the MVB!!!
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#213 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:13 pm

When has the "franchise-changing PG" cliche ever been true? Ask any team that's won the title in the last 20 years outside of Golden State how imperative having a star PG is.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#214 » by M-C-G » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:15 pm

SKG wrote:I always liked middleton and this year i like him a little bit more cause he knows his role
We alteady know what mids can do and he wont be a superstar thats for sure, with that said id only trade him for a top 5 pick, theres a lot of superstar potential players on this draft.

Thing is bucks aint getting that pick

Wonder if nets are willig to give up 19 and 20 1st round pick, we could throw in henson aswell


Wait, you would only trade him for a top 5 pick or pick 19 and 20? One of those is not like the other.


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Post#215 » by BucksPackers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:19 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:When has the "franchise-changing PG" cliche ever been true? Ask any team that's won the title in the last 20 years outside of Golden State how imperative having a star PG is.



The NBA is changing. Having an elite PG is key in this league. Or having Giannis or Lebron helps too. Someone that can dominate with the ball.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#216 » by Chapter29 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:22 pm

Mags FTW wrote:
Chapter29 wrote:
Mags FTW wrote:How is "No" winning? You guys are nuts.


Uh, because we have a proven commodity that is a near all-star player? This pick has no certainty to be an all-star player. I'd say the odds of this pick being better than Middleton (after a couple of years as well in all likelihood) is probably less than 50%.

He plays what is arguably the easiest position to replace. I would take the chance at a franchise-altering PG.


Roll the dice. I am guessing 50% chance or less that this player will be the same or better than Mids. Worth it? I say no.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#217 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:23 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:When has the "franchise-changing PG" cliche ever been true? Ask any team that's won the title in the last 20 years outside of Golden State how imperative having a star PG is.



The NBA is changing. Having an elite PG is key in this league. Or having Giannis or Lebron helps too. Someone that can dominate with the ball.


Correct, this has always been the case in the NBA though. Guys like Lebron, Giannis, and Harden are essentially "PG's" anyways. The actual position isn't inherently more valuable just because it's labeled "PG". If anything, the league is moving further and further away from the traditional PG position, and has been for years.
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Post#218 » by humanrefutation » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:25 pm

M-C-G wrote:
SKG wrote:I always liked middleton and this year i like him a little bit more cause he knows his role
We alteady know what mids can do and he wont be a superstar thats for sure, with that said id only trade him for a top 5 pick, theres a lot of superstar potential players on this draft.

Thing is bucks aint getting that pick

Wonder if nets are willig to give up 19 and 20 1st round pick, we could throw in henson aswell


Wait, you would only trade him for a top 5 pick or pick 19 and 20? One of those is not like the other.


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Pretty sure he means their first rounds picks in 2019 and 2020 - which they couldn't do because of the Stepien rule IIRC, but they could do 2019, 2021.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#219 » by BucksPackers » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
BucksPackers wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:When has the "franchise-changing PG" cliche ever been true? Ask any team that's won the title in the last 20 years outside of Golden State how imperative having a star PG is.



The NBA is changing. Having an elite PG is key in this league. Or having Giannis or Lebron helps too. Someone that can dominate with the ball.


Correct, this has always been the case in the NBA though. Guys like Lebron, Giannis, and Harden are essentially "PG's" anyways. The actual position isn't inherently more valuable just because it's labeled "PG". If anything, the league is moving further and further away from the traditional PG position, and has been for years.



True True. The only reason I say yes to this is because Mids is 25. Mids is up for a contract extension and will be maxed out. If we could get a franchise PG he will be 5-6 years younger and way cheaper. But I can see why we keep mids too lol.
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Re: Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick? 

Post#220 » by Nowak008 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:23 pm

I think at the time it was a no brainer:

- We weren't 100% sure Mid was going to come back and be an all star caliber guy
- The team was in free fall, we could have possibly tanked to a top 7 pick
- Could have further gutted the team, ie trade Monroe, Telly for more future assets.

Now it's closer, I'd want the C's to add a guard to replace Mid. :)
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