Pistons has Lost last 10 Years Because of Poor Drafting.

[pistontr]

Iverson for Billups trade caused to collapse for this franchise. after then, we always get 7th-15th picks in drafts. you can not easily find franchise players with these picks but still there was great players.
in 2010, we missed Gordon Hayward and Paul George
in 2011, we missed Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard
in 2013, we missed C.J. McCollum and Giannis Antetokounmpo
in 2015, we missed Devin Booker

and we overvalue our players and always blame coaches or players heart. I know that there are few teams who have created great teams via late lottery drafts such as warriors, spurs, jazz, pacers (stephenson, hibbert, george. they ruined that great team) but it still was possible.

[joedumars1]

Iverson for Billups trade caused to collapse for this franchise. after then, we always get 7th-15th picks in drafts. you can not easily find franchise players with these picks but still there was great players.
in 2010, we missed Gordon Hayward and Paul George
in 2011, we missed Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard
in 2013, we missed C.J. McCollum and Giannis Antetokounmpo
in 2015, we missed Devin Booker

and we overvalue our players and always blame coaches or players heart. I know that there are few teams who have created great teams via late lottery drafts such as warriors, spurs, jazz, pacers (stephenson, hibbert, george. they ruined that great team) but it still was possible.

Not going to look. Believe Hayward, Thompson, and Mccolum where drafted before our pick. I wanted Kemba.

Warriors hit on one late pick, A huge one i'll be it, in Draymond, but they got Steph, Klay, and Barnes in the top 10.

Spurs are a Dynasty, oh yeah they wanted Stanley at the trade deadline, but he sucks.

Pacers, lol.

Jazz, how many years it take them to be good since Sloan retired 7-10? How many years SVG been here 3?

Damn I like some people

[Phenomenonsense]

Hell of a hindsight bias going on in here.

[TurboTitan]

nope. We've drafted fine... Monroe Knight were decent picks, Drummond at 9 was a steal, KCP at 8 in a poor draft was great, still happy with Johnson call me deluded but I believe in him. The only bad one I would say is Austin Daye. Hell even Stuckey was a good pick at 15.

[pistontr]

pacers team was
hill
stephenson
george
west
hibbert

thist team was great and greated via draft.

[joedumars1]

pacers team was
hill
stephenson
george
west
hibbert

thist team was great and greated via draft.

Oh I picked them to beat the Heat that one year. What are Stephenson and Hibbert doing? Oh yeah.

Hill was ok with them, he has become pretty damn good with Utah, he was traded to them tho, drafted by Spurs. West was picked up in FA.

[Pharaoh]

Most of the picks mentioned were missed by Joe Dumars - who rightly got fired!

SVG first 3 drafts:

Draft #1: no first thanks to a bounce of a lotto ball and Joe's incompetence

Draft #2: Stanley Johnson over Devin Booker - KCP was (is) on the team, large hole at SF, lack of potential playmakers on the roster, lack of aggressive players on the roster...

Excellent pick on Draft Day IMO & completely justified

Draft #3: King Henry - with Mook, Harris & SJ on the roster we needed a 4 that could shoot from 3 & space the floor.

That's what we drafted. Again completely justified since Henry was expected to be drafted much higher

Captain Hindsight says we shoulda done things differently but those 2 firsts were the right move at the time.

Signing Jon Boy is what has impacted them more than anything else

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[ElectricMayhem]

Some players picked soon after our pick each year:
2010: Xavier Henry
2011: Jimmer Fredette
2012: Kendall Marshall
2013: Trey Burke
2015: Cameron Payne

There are a lot of landmines in the draft. If you want to pretend we should have known which 18-year olds were going to be superstars, go ahead and live in that fantasy land. The truth is we have gotten good value for our picks for the most part. You can build a team of All-Stars for every team by going back and doing what you did for the Pistons.

Things are so much clearer when looking through your retrospectacles.

[Alexander]

The 2014 pick that went to Charlotte had...Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Doug McDermott, Dario Saric, Zach Lavine as the "next 5 remaining".
That was the offseason we hired SVG and the Josh Smith@SF experiment hadn't been declared dead yet. Who do you think we would have taken? The Reggie trade happened later, we got Tayshaun back when he was waived, Jodie Meeks was injured for the first 20 games or so.

The rotation to start the season was something like:
Jennings/Augustin
KCP/Butler
Smith/Singler
Monroe/Jerebko
Drummond/Anthony

[Finn McCool]

The 2014 pick that went to Charlotte had...Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Doug McDermott, Dario Saric, Zach Lavine still on the board.
That was the offseason we hired SVG and the Josh Smith@SF experiment hadn't been declared dead yet. Who do you think we would have taken?

Don't know, but I was enamored with Rodney Hood, Elfrid Payton & TJ Warren

[Alexander]

I liked Payton (19/6/6 in college on 50% shooting with 2 steals a game and national defensive player of the year!?) and feared that we'd take Vonleh.
In hindsight Lavine or Saric or Nurkic would have been the best choices, but if I run through the mental exercise I can see SVG passing on each one.

[joedumars1]

The 2014 pick that went to Charlotte had...Noah Vonleh, Elfrid Payton, Doug McDermott, Dario Saric, Zach Lavine as the "next 5 remaining".
That was the offseason we hired SVG and the Josh Smith@SF experiment hadn't been declared dead yet. Who do you think we would have taken? The Reggie trade happened later, we got Tayshaun back when he was waived, Jodie Meeks was injured for the first 20 games or so.

The rotation to start the season was something like:
Jennings/Augustin
KCP/Butler
Smith/Singler
Monroe/Jerebko
Drummond/Anthony

We also wouldn't have had a draft pick to get SJ. I'd take SJ over all of them, except probably Saric and Lavine. I'm still high on SJ as a prospect tho

[pistontr]

Some players picked soon after our pick each year:
2010: Xavier Henry
2011: Jimmer Fredette
2012: Kendall Marshall
2013: Trey Burke
2015: Cameron Payne

There are a lot of landmines in the draft. If you want to pretend we should have known which 18-year olds were going to be superstars, go ahead and live in that fantasy land. The truth is we have gotten good value for our picks for the most part. You can build a team of All-Stars for every team by going back and doing what you did for the Pistons.

Things are so much clearer when looking through your retrospectacles.

you can not pick every allstar but at least pick one of them. drımmond is the only success. we can get superstars and we wasted 4 draft seasons. that's why we are here.

[ElectricMayhem]

Some players picked soon after our pick each year:
2010: Xavier Henry
2011: Jimmer Fredette
2012: Kendall Marshall
2013: Trey Burke
2015: Cameron Payne

There are a lot of landmines in the draft. If you want to pretend we should have known which 18-year olds were going to be superstars, go ahead and live in that fantasy land. The truth is we have gotten good value for our picks for the most part. You can build a team of All-Stars for every team by going back and doing what you did for the Pistons.

Things are so much clearer when looking through your retrospectacles.

you can not pick every allstar but at least pick one of them. drımmond is the only success. we can get superstars and we wasted 4 draft seasons. that's why we are here.

Knight
KCP
SJ
Monroe
Drummond

Not worldbeaters, but right in line with the talent level you'd expect with the picks we had. Not a dud in the crop with one borderline All-Star and one of the top 2-way guards in the league. Face it, we've been above average drafters.

[joedumars1]

Some players picked soon after our pick each year:
2010: Xavier Henry
2011: Jimmer Fredette
2012: Kendall Marshall
2013: Trey Burke
2015: Cameron Payne

There are a lot of landmines in the draft. If you want to pretend we should have known which 18-year olds were going to be superstars, go ahead and live in that fantasy land. The truth is we have gotten good value for our picks for the most part. You can build a team of All-Stars for every team by going back and doing what you did for the Pistons.

Things are so much clearer when looking through your retrospectacles.

you can not pick every allstar but at least pick one of them. drımmond is the only success. we can get superstars and we wasted 4 draft seasons. that's why we are here.

Knight
KCP
SJ
Monroe
Drummond

Not worldbeaters, but right in line with the talent level you'd expect with the picks we had. Not a dud in the crop with one borderline All-Star and one of the top 2-way guards in the league. Face it, we've been above average drafters.

LOL! Add Middleton to that, we might just be a playoff team, but who would be the coach?

[pistontr]

Some players picked soon after our pick each year:
2010: Xavier Henry
2011: Jimmer Fredette
2012: Kendall Marshall
2013: Trey Burke
2015: Cameron Payne

There are a lot of landmines in the draft. If you want to pretend we should have known which 18-year olds were going to be superstars, go ahead and live in that fantasy land. The truth is we have gotten good value for our picks for the most part. You can build a team of All-Stars for every team by going back and doing what you did for the Pistons.

Things are so much clearer when looking through your retrospectacles.

you can not pick every allstar but at least pick one of them. drımmond is the only success. we can get superstars and we wasted 4 draft seasons. that's why we are here.

Knight
KCP
SJ
Monroe
Drummond

Not worldbeaters, but right in line with the talent level you'd expect with the picks we had. Not a dud in the crop with one borderline All-Star and one of the top 2-way guards in the league. Face it, we've been above average drafters.

knigt and monroe are bench palyers now. SJ will always be a bench player if he even can stay in the nba. we drafted kcp over mccollum. he is irrelevant, he can be 4th ot 5th best player in a contender, nothing more.

[pistontr]

why we lost middleton? because we overvalued knight, and dumars finally understtod he is not even a point guard. to get jennigs (a point guard) we give them middleton. if we had a real point guard that time, we couldn't lose middleton.

sometimes overvaluing your players harm you this way.

[ElectricMayhem]

you can not pick every allstar but at least pick one of them. drımmond is the only success. we can get superstars and we wasted 4 draft seasons. that's why we are here.

Knight
KCP
SJ
Monroe
Drummond

Not worldbeaters, but right in line with the talent level you'd expect with the picks we had. Not a dud in the crop with one borderline All-Star and one of the top 2-way guards in the league. Face it, we've been above average drafters.

knigt and monroe are bench palyers now. SJ will always be a bench player if he even can stay in the nba. we drafted kcp over mccollum. he is irrelevant, he can be 4th ot 5th best player in a contender, nothing more.

Other teams that passed on McCollum in the 2013 draft for players that have produced less:
Cleveland Cavaliers
Orlando Magic
Washington Wizards
Charlotte (Bobcats)
Phoenix Suns
New Orleans Pelicans
Philadelphia 76ers
Sacramento Kings
Minnesota Timberwolves
Utah Jazz

Over a third of the league had a chance to take him and didn't. I can't quite figure out how we were supposed to have this insider knowledge that other teams didn't. Hell, Portland may not have picked him if this guy or that guy had not been drafted yet.

[Alexander]

Knight is down this year, on a bad team with Bledsoe and Booker not leaving a lot of minutes free...but he was 20/5/4 a year ago. He's a good, smart kid. I like him for the same reasons that everyone likes Stanley Johnson. I wanted Bismack Biyombo (still like him, just as the first big off the bench, and not for 17 million).

Every one of those picks was the right pick at the time!

I had Monroe 5th on my board, we got him at 7th, I was terrified of drafting Ekpe Udoh or Cole Aldrich. Paul George and Gordon Hayward weren't even on my mind. Monroe's minutes are the lowest they've ever been...but he's on the best team he's ever been on, one that likes to go small, one that is seeing him put up a PER over 20 with some of the best Per36 numbers so far.

This thread is coming from a silly place. No need for buyer's remorse or hindsight bias.

[pistontr]

we have drafted fine, our gm is genius, he always steal players and still we are suck

I see, our only problem is players' effort and heart. and of course, svg doesn't give stanley fricking johsnon enough minutes, that's a big problem too.