Joel Embiid -- The Process is now Live

Post #1681 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:51 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:It makes sense. Most thought him delaying the surgery was a sign it was bad. I mentioned before I thought it was the opposite. If it was a major meniscus tear, surgery is the only option. Seeking a bunch of doctor opinions would be redundant. It's like tearing your ACL and seeking alternative treatments. You need reconstructive surgery.

The fact that he waited so long always told me that he probably wanted to see if he could just rehab it without needing surgery at all, and surgery is always a last resort for anything. Then they decided to just go in and clean it out so he can move on with this issue.

There was a line of thinking that they wouldn't know whether he needed a repair or removal until after they scoped the knee. Removal is a much less serious surgery than repair (2-3 months versus 4-6 months). Embiid's IG story says it went better than expected. May have gotten lucky for once.

MRIs can only show so much, so to get the best picture, they need to go in with a scope, but they generally have a basic idea of what they are going to do before they go in there based off of MRIs and doctor exams. I don't think they went in totally oblivious without any idea of what they were gonna do.

Either way, all I care about is it's good news.

Absolutely.

76thBearCub · Post #1682 » by **76thBearCub** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:06 am

I'm going to be highly skeptical until I get proven wrong.

That said, unless they are absolutely bold faced lying this seems like a very minor issue.

Simmons25 · Post #1683 » by **Simmons25** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:21 am

Sixerscan wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:It makes sense. Most thought him delaying the surgery was a sign it was bad. I mentioned before I thought it was the opposite. If it was a major meniscus tear, surgery is the only option. Seeking a bunch of doctor opinions would be redundant. It's like tearing your ACL and seeking alternative treatments. You need reconstructive surgery.

The fact that he waited so long always told me that he probably wanted to see if he could just rehab it without needing surgery at all, and surgery is always a last resort for anything. Then they decided to just go in and clean it out so he can move on with this issue.

There was a line of thinking that they wouldn't know whether he needed a repair or removal until after they scoped the knee. Removal is a much less serious surgery than repair (2-3 months versus 4-6 months). Embiid's IG story says it went better than expected. May have gotten lucky for once.

I wouldn't say removal is much less serious.... it just has a smaller recovery time. Removing bits of meniscus is worse long term than repairing it especially if you are a big heavy guy. Sooner or later his knee is going to be bone on bone... just hope it's when he is 35 and not 25.

I wonder on what basis they chose to remove it rather than repair it. Generally you only remove it because of time constraints when you are trying to get someone back earlier for the season. Joel has 8 months before training camp... so it wasn't a time thing.

Post #1684 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:44 am

Simmons25 wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:It makes sense. Most thought him delaying the surgery was a sign it was bad. I mentioned before I thought it was the opposite. If it was a major meniscus tear, surgery is the only option. Seeking a bunch of doctor opinions would be redundant. It's like tearing your ACL and seeking alternative treatments. You need reconstructive surgery.

The fact that he waited so long always told me that he probably wanted to see if he could just rehab it without needing surgery at all, and surgery is always a last resort for anything. Then they decided to just go in and clean it out so he can move on with this issue.

There was a line of thinking that they wouldn't know whether he needed a repair or removal until after they scoped the knee. Removal is a much less serious surgery than repair (2-3 months versus 4-6 months). Embiid's IG story says it went better than expected. May have gotten lucky for once.

I wouldn't say removal is much less serious.... it just has a smaller recovery time. Removing bits of meniscus is worse long term than repairing it especially if you are a big heavy guy. Sooner or later his knee is going to be bone on bone... just hope it's when he is 35 and not 25.

I wonder on what basis they chose to remove it rather than repair it. Generally you only remove it because of time constraints when you are trying to get someone back earlier for the season. Joel has 8 months before training camp... so it wasn't a time thing.

With a guy his age I assume they wouldn't just remove unless the problem area was super small. Then again maybe Joel didn't want to deal with another major surgery. WHO KNOWS!

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1685 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:55 am

Whatever, good, he finally had the surgery. He should be ready to go by training camp. Let's hope he actually plays an entire season. I'm thinking 60 games would be an amazing accomplishment.

76ciology · Post #1686 » by **76ciology** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:57 am

I'm going to be conservative on Embiid to say that the only way he's going to have a long productive career if the team limits his games. The thing that scares me is that I see him having a same trajectory with Ibaka's career where he will limit his blocks and aggressiveness to prolong his career.

If we are going to win with Embiid then we need to have that serious "win now" mentality starting next season. Also be in favor for trading LA and Kings pick going forward.

NYKHardKnock · Post #1687 » by **NYKHardKnock** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:09 pm

Aslong as it's not the ACL or MCL he's going to fine and will be dominate next season

Kolkmania · Post #1688 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:09 am

In my opinion it's a BIG deal that Joel will be able to work this offseason.

Post #1689 » by **Foshan** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:54 am

I'm actually okay with us keeping Joel at a 30min limit if it increases the chances for career longevity. A guy like Holmes is good enough for 18mins a game, and i think what the Long signing shows us is that 10+ min a game bigs, in a good system (what ours is turning into!!!) can play spot minutes and are findable on the cheap. So would i want Holmes/Long for 82... no, but would i be fine with them 20mins a game and a healthy EMbiid in the playoffs, yeah, i could live with that.

Kobblehead · Post #1690 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:38 pm

I'm definitely not passing on Robert Williams or Zach Collins in the Top 10 if they enter the draft.

eyeatoma · Post #1691 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:43 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I'm definitely not passing on Robert Williams or Zach Collins in the Top 10 if they enter the draft.

OK... That's really going to help makeup for not having Embiid if his career somehow goes south... Keep telling yourself that... We live or die by Embiid... Hopefully this draft and our primadonna Ben Simmons will be a good insurance policy...

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Kobblehead · Post #1692 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:45 pm

...what?

jbent87 · Post #1693 » by **jbent87** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:29 pm

Considering he played 31 games this year, 60 next would be a huge accomplishment. We saw what this guy is capable of with 28 minutes a game. Keep him there his entire career if you have to. It's better than overusing him in the short term and having him break down.

eyeatoma · Post #1694 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:...what?

You seem to be insinuating that Williams or Collins will be able to cover for Embiid if his career is a no-go... I was just saying, unless its a generational talent, there isn't much that's going to replace him... We'll need to hope get lucky with our draft positioning this season, and hope that Simmons is all that he's supposed to be. My heart tells me Embiid will be a hall of famer, but my brain is very skeptical.

kukenotas · Post #1695 » by **kukenotas** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:39 pm

We already have a light insurance policy- it is called 2018 draft, where with lakers we get a shot at 2 other possible francize players in deandre(embiid2) and luka doncic( serious i think this dude will get multiple quadruple doubles during his career).
So adding to simmons and what we get this year+ dario and robert and holmes and tj and 2019 sacramento- we are more than good:) our year as contender starts 2018-2019 season

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Post #1696 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 8:33 pm

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Unbreakable99 · Post #1697 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 8:37 pm

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Incredible. If Simmons is as advertised then we could win over 50 games next season if we add a free agent.

Post #1698 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Apr 7, 2017 6:15 am

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This obviously makes no sense given that the team is going to win 28 games on the year.

If Joel Embiid ever plays an NBA for anyone other than the Sixers I will lose my mind.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1699 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:19 am

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LongLiveHinkie · Post #1700 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:35 am

He said they told him he'd be out 6 months with a full meniscus tear. I'm dead serious if that turned out to be the case, I would have stopped being a Sixers fan until Josh Harris sold the team.