Political Roundtable Part XIII

[sfam]

So if you're in one of the states who didn't take the medicaid expansion, wouldn't you jump in now? Its pretty clear Republicans aren't getting rid of this.

[Wizardspride]

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I don't like their argument - therefore their argument isn't an argument. Klein is the best

Do you think there was any substance at all to the Republicans' motivation for repealing ACA? Do you think their constituents truly wanted this for themselves?

No, other than deficit spending reduction (but at the very high cost of the uninsured). Do you think there was an substance in Klein's argument

The changes in the last few days remove all the deficit spending. Had it passed, you would have have 24 million off of health care, but with no deficit savings.

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Can't believe Trump, an expert deal negotiator, couldn't get this thing done.

Sweet!

It looks like they've already gotten tired of winning. Trump warned us this would happen...

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That's his most recent thought.

If you had checked a few days ago, of course everyone should vote for it!

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[sfam]

Trump's presidency is flying!

"I will start building the Wall on Day 1"
"I will repeal #ObamaCare in my first week"
"I'll defeat #ISIS in 30 days"

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Can't believe Trump, an expert deal negotiator, couldn't get this thing done.

The ball is in the Dems court now and they need to take advantage of that. The Dems should go to #45 and the Repubs and say: "Now that you've done your little dance trying to repeal Obamacare, let's now get down to the business of working together to fix it."

This is what Obama and the Dems have been asking the Repubs to do pretty much since the law was passed 7 years ago.

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More lies, not surprising

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Trump absolutely said multiple times he would repeal and replace virtually immediately upon taking office. Now he's like, "Its only been 64 days..."

Trump is now acting like he's opening his hand to Democrats as if he intended this all along. Truly a delusional press conference from Trump. If he had wanted a bipartisan bill that went toward his populist tendencies that was somewhere in the middle, he would have started this very differently.

Unfortunately for Trump, even if he wants to engage the populist middle, all of his staff, including Price are crazy right wingers.

If the democrats do want to engage, it should be done in peacemeal fashion - "fix this change related to the exchanges" or "Modify medicare reimbursements in the following way..."

The interesting question will be if Trump wants to cut a deal with the democrats, will Paul and the Turtle bring it to the floor?

[AFM]

I haven't read Art of the Deal. Can someone help me who has?

Does the Art talk about dealmaking as spending a few weeks on something, making a few phone calls and then making an ultimatum?

Maybe Trump will hit all the issues on the agenda this year.

"I spent few weeks on Health Care but Ryan screwed it up"

"I wanted to do Tax Reform but the Republicans weren't ready"

#winning #IAloneCanFixIt #TheCloser

Kind of. The only quote I know from the book is "The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it." I guess this is his way of not appearing desperate.

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Yup. The ACA goes all the way back to Nixon's plan in the early 1970s.

[verbal8]

I haven't read Art of the Deal. Can someone help me who has?

Does the Art talk about dealmaking as spending a few weeks on something, making a few phone calls and then making an ultimatum?

Maybe Trump will hit all the issues on the agenda this year.

"I spent few weeks on Health Care but Ryan screwed it up"

"I wanted to do Tax Reform but the Republicans weren't ready"

#winning #IAloneCanFixIt #TheCloser

Kind of. The only quote I know from the book is "The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it." I guess this is his way of not appearing desperate.

So you are saying you read as much of it as Trump did?

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I don't like their argument - therefore their argument isn't an argument. Klein is the best

Do you think there was any substance at all to the Republicans' motivation for repealing ACA? Do you think their constituents truly wanted this for themselves?

No, other than deficit spending reduction (but at the very high cost of the uninsured). Do you think there was an substance in Klein's argument

What deficit spending reduction are you talking about? As far as I know, there wasn't any. And still - this was never even a talking point for Paul Ryan et al.

And, yes, I do think there is plenty of substance to what Klein is saying. The GOP can't repeal ACA because it's fundamentally not broken in the eyes of the constituents, and all of the consternation, all of the noise the GOP has presented over the last 7+ years has been partisan nonsense manufactured to win elections in the short term.

The GOP's obsession with repealing ACA has literally nothing to do with healthcare or the deficit.

[JWizmentality]

Can someone sum up the total amount of taxpayer money the GOP wasted voting to repeal Obamacare for 7+ years?

[CobraCommander]

Never ever ever have we ever ever ever took away any social program. Unfortuantly most of the anti-Obamacare citizens that voted for Trump dont want ANY health care because they think social programs are inherently wrong at best and evil at worse. But the reality is the congress wants to REPLACE Obamacare with Trumpcare...which will essentially be Obamacare-lite.

[dckingsfan]

Do you think there was any substance at all to the Republicans' motivation for repealing ACA? Do you think their constituents truly wanted this for themselves?

No, other than deficit spending reduction (but at the very high cost of the uninsured). Do you think there was an substance in Klein's argument

What deficit spending reduction are you talking about? As far as I know, there wasn't any. And still - this was never even a talking point for Paul Ryan et al.

And, yes, I do think there is plenty of substance to what Klein is saying. The GOP can't repeal ACA because it's fundamentally not broken in the eyes of the constituents, and all of the consternation, all of the noise the GOP has presented over the last 7+ years has been partisan nonsense manufactured to win elections in the short term.

The GOP's obsession with repealing ACA has literally nothing to do with healthcare or the deficit.

Ooops - you missed the part on the deficit reduction? Check out the CBO report!

Klein's argument is circulus in probando. I may agree with the premise but it is still poor logic.

[dckingsfan]

Can someone sum up the total amount of taxpayer money the GOP wasted voting to repeal Obamacare for 7+ years?

I don't think you can really put a price on debate can you? Or any exercise in the legislature? Otherwise you would have to put a cost on both parties ignoring the deficit. Wouldn't that dwarf all other debates (or the lack thereof?)

[sfam]

No, other than deficit spending reduction (but at the very high cost of the uninsured). Do you think there was an substance in Klein's argument

What deficit spending reduction are you talking about? As far as I know, there wasn't any. And still - this was never even a talking point for Paul Ryan et al.

And, yes, I do think there is plenty of substance to what Klein is saying. The GOP can't repeal ACA because it's fundamentally not broken in the eyes of the constituents, and all of the consternation, all of the noise the GOP has presented over the last 7+ years has been partisan nonsense manufactured to win elections in the short term.

The GOP's obsession with repealing ACA has literally nothing to do with healthcare or the deficit.

Ooops - you missed the part on the deficit reduction? Check out the CBO report!

Klein's argument is circulus in probando. I may agree with the premise but it is still poor logic.

The most recent CBO score for the first set of changes brought the deficit reduction down to just over 100 billion. Apparently the last set of changes would have wiped out all deficit reduction.

[dckingsfan]

What deficit spending reduction are you talking about? As far as I know, there wasn't any. And still - this was never even a talking point for Paul Ryan et al.

And, yes, I do think there is plenty of substance to what Klein is saying. The GOP can't repeal ACA because it's fundamentally not broken in the eyes of the constituents, and all of the consternation, all of the noise the GOP has presented over the last 7+ years has been partisan nonsense manufactured to win elections in the short term.

The GOP's obsession with repealing ACA has literally nothing to do with healthcare or the deficit.

Ooops - you missed the part on the deficit reduction? Check out the CBO report!

Klein's argument is circulus in probando. I may agree with the premise but it is still poor logic.

The most recent CBO score for the first set of changes brought the deficit reduction down to just over 100 billion. Apparently the last set of changes would have wiped out all deficit reduction.

eh - last official scoring.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52486

Could be $1.2T if they hadn't cut the tax.

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NATE WHERE ARE YOU??????????????

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Nate, and1 this post if you're alive.