threrf23 wrote:First of all, I wouldn't write off Justise Winslow just yet in any capacity - generally, it doesn't concern me if a prospect reminds me of him. He is young and his defensive stats for a rookie were nice (Miami's best defensive player by a long shot according to on/off court data, actually). He had a 2.0 assist to turnover ration this season pre-injury. Shooting usually improves, skills will improve if a player cares, but Winslow has what a lot of young players do not have so much of. He is probably in line for a breakout year next year, or the year after depending on the long-term impact of his shoulder injury.
Second, Duke stats can be a little screwy, for some reason. Big men seem to get affected more than wings, I don't know.
Third, Winslow had an NBA body as a collegiate freshman, at least offsetting a difference in age. 6'6 222 versus 6'8/205. Body wise, Josh Jackson right now is Jajuan Johnson whereas Winslow was Jaylen Brown. But in time that is mute.
Fourth, scouting capsules and what they say about mindset and intangibles are where Jackson sets himself apart from Winslow the most. Using nbadraft.net as a reference:
Winslow:
"Throughout his high school and AAU career he flashed tremendous talent but struggled to sustain a high level of consistency ... Can lose focus at times during games, but has been a lot more consistent and prepared then expected ... He needs to continue to show a high level of aggression and intensity in order to realize his immense talent"
Jackson
"Has a blue collar work ethic and willingness to do the dirty work, does not exhibit the prima donna attitude often associated with elite level prospects ... An extremely competitive and passionate kid who brings a high level of intensity and desire to improve ..."
With Jackson, even if you dig deep, there may be minor concerns but they are the exception that proves the rule. Generally, from an intangibles standpoint, the only criticism of him is that he can be too passionate - which is a nice problem to have IMO.
I feel like sort of like he is a wing version of John Wall, who was also a year old for his class. It's either him or Fultz to me. I think he is a sure thing. Fultz has more upside but may be less of a sure thing.
Respect your opinion but disagree with a few points. I havent given up on Winslow yet due to his age, but theres little reason to expect a breakout season next year.
Nbadraft.net is not a particularly well informed or useful draft site IMO. See their player comparisons for a laugh/example of why. Winslow is as blue collar as it gets.
Their bodies are different but not sure how thats really relevant in this context. Not seeing the John Wall comparison at all. His handle and shooting is nowhere near Wall's.
Also not sure how you intended the Duke is screwy comment to impact the comparison so cant really comment on that. Both teams were high scoring and both guya are 3rd options on their teams offensively, getting buckets off of rebounds and other players penetration and double teams.
