2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

eagereyez · Post #1361 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:38 am

shawn_hemp wrote:
eagereyez wrote:I'd feel better about Fox improving his jumper if he shaved his head. That fro is preventing him from putting more arc on his shot.

Yeah look at Elfrid Payton

I think projects better than Payton does but I think he will never really be a jump shooter or even enough to be threatening as a jump shooter

But he is a guy who steps up when you need him to.

I usually dislike Coach K teams but I liked this Kentucky team because they are actually players who play well off each other and just happen to have 3 most likely lotto picks starting

Josh Jackson is another example. I wonder if coaches/trainers have said anything to them. If I was a player on the Magic, I'd attack Elfrid Payton in his sleep with a hair clipper. Dude is willingly making his team worse for the sake of his hairstyle.

PhilasFinest · Post #1362 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:39 am

DSJ reminds me of Steve Francis coming out of college.

Slizeezyc · Post #1363 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:40 am

TheAntiTrump wrote:If anyone is John Wall, it's Dennis Smith. Same is not better speed and explosion. Good set-up guy, and a NBA ready Body already.

I more like the Lillard comps for him due to his major defensive concerns (some which stem from his size, which is not like Lillard though).

nitocobola · Post #1364 » by **nitocobola** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:43 am

ball is a **** bust, no way this guy will be a star in the league.

eagereyez · Post #1365 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:44 am

There are some people on this board that would be going nuts if Fultz had Ball's statline in this game.

TheAntiTrump · Post #1366 » by **TheAntiTrump** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:44 am

Slizeezyc wrote:
TheAntiTrump wrote:If anyone is John Wall, it's Dennis Smith. Same is not better speed and explosion. Good set-up guy, and a NBA ready Body already.

I more like the Lillard comps for him due to his major defensive concerns (some which stem from his size, which is not like Lillard though).

Smith is basically the same size as Wall. Maybe 1 inch shorter, but has a longer reach, better speed and vertical, and a good facilitator as well. Their stats their freshmen seasons are basically the same. Except Smith had Bums around him. Wall had many great teammates.

Arsenal · Post #1367 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:44 am

Worst I've seen Lonzo Ball look all year. He and his team look outclassed athletically. Kentucky is defending close at the 3 point line and daring UCLA to drive and they can't do it.

XtremeDunkz · Post #1368 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:47 am

I just don't understand why teams press. It literally has an 85% chance of an easy dunk.

Slizeezyc · Post #1369 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:48 am

TheAntiTrump wrote:
Slizeezyc wrote:
TheAntiTrump wrote:If anyone is John Wall, it's Dennis Smith. Same is not better speed and explosion. Good set-up guy, and a NBA ready Body already.

I more like the Lillard comps for him due to his major defensive concerns (some which stem from his size, which is not like Lillard though).

Smith is basically the same size as Wall. Maybe 1 inch shorter, but has a longer reach, better speed and vertical, and a good facilitator as well. Their stats their freshmen seasons are basically the same. Except Smith had Bums around him. Wall had many great teammates.

John Wall has a 6-9 wingspan mate. Smith has a 6-3 wingspan -- in other words careful with the alternative facts. Also not really fair to say it's obvious Wall is slower and has less bounce than Smith. Smith's coach is bad, their recruiting class was solid.

yourewrong · Post #1370 » by **yourewrong** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:48 am

if there are any sixers fan left on eath who would rather have ntilikina over fox they should be shot and banned from this website in that order

Arsenal · Post #1371 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:49 am

TheAntiTrump wrote:
Slizeezyc wrote:
TheAntiTrump wrote:If anyone is John Wall, it's Dennis Smith. Same is not better speed and explosion. Good set-up guy, and a NBA ready Body already.

I more like the Lillard comps for him due to his major defensive concerns (some which stem from his size, which is not like Lillard though).

Smith is basically the same size as Wall. Maybe 1 inch shorter, but has a longer reach, better speed and vertical, and a good facilitator as well. Their stats their freshmen seasons are basically the same. Except Smith had Bums around him. Wall had many great teammates.

Wrong. Smith is shorter and has a much smaller wingspan. He's a TRex compared to John Wall.

nitocobola · Post #1372 » by **nitocobola** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:50 am

yourewrong wrote:if there's any sixers fan left on eath who would rather have ntilikina over fox they should be shot and banned from this website in that order

yep 100%

Fox is a top 6 in this draft no matter what.

Slizeezyc · Post #1373 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:50 am

yourewrong wrote:if there's any sixers fan left on eath who would rather have ntilikina over fox they should be shot and banned from this website in that order

I would assume the argument stems from fit either way, so this amount of rage is sort of silly. Not to mention, Frank hasn't done enough anyway since he was at his high-highs during the U19s anyway so not really sure who's even making that argument in the past couple months.

XtremeDunkz · Post #1374 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:51 am

Fox does look good. Great handles and body control.

Slizeezyc · Post #1375 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:52 am

(Friendly reminder to not let Tourney games sway you too much about your feelings on prospects. It generally doesn't go well to do such things.)

yourewrong · Post #1376 » by **yourewrong** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:52 am

Slizeezyc wrote:
yourewrong wrote:if there's any sixers fan left on eath who would rather have ntilikina over fox they should be shot and banned from this website in that order

I would assume the argument stems from fit either way, so this amount of rage is sort of silly. Not to mention, Frank hasn't done enough anyway since he was at his high-highs during the U19s anyway so not really sure who's even making that argument in the past couple months.

I've seen pro-Frank arguments in the 5-7 range (moreso at LB and reddit, to be fair) and many of those same people want nothing to do with Fox because of "fit"

shawn_hemp · Post #1377 » by **shawn_hemp** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:54 am

UCLA has been a lackluster defensive team all year and when they ran into a back court that could contain Ball you see the team for what it really is.

I get that Monk probably won't project as a defensive player of the year candidate or anything, but I've been saying all year that his defense isn't as bad as it's made out to be. He can turn it on when it matters. He has the athleticism to be a decent defender. And he can clearly shoot 3s, you just have to keep letting him shoot. Like any great shooter, you don't give up on them and change your gameplan. Eventually the shots will start falling

Then he started taking some heat check shots and kind of forced the issue a bit but after watching this game I'm not even gonna lie, I think Monk could actually be a 3&D player in the NBA

Arsenal · Post #1378 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:54 am

Fox can get to the rim at will. Once he puts on some strength he'll be a great finisher in the NBA. He'll be a terror in transition and can be a great POA defender also.

If we think we can teach him to shoot, he could be the guy.

shawn_hemp · Post #1379 » by **shawn_hemp** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:55 am

I still don't want Fox for this team. He isn't a good fit, it would be a disservice to both parties to try and force him in

But he can be a stud if he goes to the right situation

Slizeezyc · Post #1380 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:55 am

yourewrong wrote:
Slizeezyc wrote:
yourewrong wrote:if there's any sixers fan left on eath who would rather have ntilikina over fox they should be shot and banned from this website in that order

I would assume the argument stems from fit either way, so this amount of rage is sort of silly. Not to mention, Frank hasn't done enough anyway since he was at his high-highs during the U19s anyway so not really sure who's even making that argument in the past couple months.

I've seen pro-Frank arguments in the 5-7 range (moreso at LB and reddit, to be fair) and many of those same people want nothing to do with Fox because of "fit"

I mean Fox was already like 4-5 on my non-specific board, but I still wouldn't want him in like the top 8 with the Sixers. It is a **** fit, there's not much way to get around that right now unless something changes with the Sixers (like one of Simmons or Fox being even reasonably average on 3s). Fox's positives are dope and real, it's just that his defense of PGs and playmaking aren't as snug a fit on this version of the Sixers. If he was longer or had even an okay shot maybe I'd feel a little better about it, but it's tricky.

He's already a good finisher etc., it's just you're banking really hard on the shooting of him and Simmons. I'm not in love with those sorts of gambles if comparable talent is around. If he's far and away the best player on the board then cool beans, but in the range the Sixers will be in, I like players enough to go slightly lower down "my board" to get something that makes more sense.

But then again, I view Isaac as an easy fit on this team, while some might think him or Tatum or Jackson aren't as easy of fits (I like Isaac the most of the 3, hence why I use him first).