Lonzo Ball

Disposable Hero · Post #601 » by **Disposable Hero** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:14 am

despite the injury he flashed all the reasons why I think he's the top guy. Ball might be my #1 but each of the next 4 point guards are all right there talent wise. I'd take any of them and not look back. It's the most loaded guard draft in history. If some combination of guards went 1-6 it would not surprise me

Upperclass · Post #602 » by **Upperclass** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:32 am

Said months ago after the first Oregon game, that his perimeter defense was atrocious. He plays a feigned non-chalant type game, to make look like he's not trying.. when it works, it works.. when it doesn't.. this is the result.

EvanZ · Post #603 » by **EvanZ** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:33 am

Disposable Hero wrote:despite the injury he flashed all the reasons why I think he's the top guy. Ball might be my #1 but each of the next 4 point guards are all right there talent wise. I'd take any of them and not look back. It's the most loaded guard draft in history. If some combination of guards went 1-6 it would not surprise me

Uh, 2009 had Steph, Harden, Rubio, Lawson, Holiday, and Teague. 2008 had Rose, Westbrook, Dragic, and Hill. Let's slow down the hype train. It's unlikely to be as good as either of those two classes.

Mickey8 · Post #604 » by **Mickey8** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:44 am

What will papa say now, he didn't look like billion dollars tonight ,far far from it

JLei · Post #605 » by **JLei** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:45 am

Disposable Hero wrote:despite the injury he flashed all the reasons why I think he's the top guy. Ball might be my #1 but each of the next 4 point guards are all right there talent wise. I'd take any of them and not look back. It's the most loaded guard draft in history. If some combination of guards went 1-6 it would not surprise me

What game were you watching? He flashed all the reasons that some scouts have doubts about him on.

The main one for me is that he has nothing against switches. With no pull up J or elite quickness you can neutralize his pick and roll easily. He of course has off ball potential but that limits his offensive ceiling in the NBA/ takes away from his best quality (his passing ability).

What I saw and see is Dallas Jason Kidd with bad defense. An all-star level/ just below player but he isn't going to be an elite player/ offensive anchor.

sikma42 · Post #606 » by **sikma42** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:58 am

Johnlac1 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:He will be one of the best in the league from day 1 at running a offense in the NBA.

Pretty much my sentiments. There are plenty of pgs in the NBA who can handle the ball, penetrate, and shoot the three ball respectably. There are few who can analyze an off. and deliver the ball to the right player at the right time. Ball is in the latter group. A split second delay at getting the ball to a player at the right time, and the play is ruined. Ball will make those split-second plays that most pgs will not make.

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saphan · Post #607 » by **saphan** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:47 am

He is so over hyped, and I think he'll end up being a bust. I feel like the team that is gonna pick him, will regret it very soon - his game won't translate and he has a cancer dad.

seorang · Post #608 » by **seorang** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:19 am

Couldn't have picked a worse game to tweak a hamstring,Fox drilled his ass. I still like his passing and game management, can be a nice complimentary player

Post #609 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:03 pm

I'd still take him ahead of Fox, but his father is legitimately a detriment.

Apollo64 · Post #610 » by **Apollo64** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:48 pm

People need to realize that the era where "pure point" players were perceived to have significant value has been over for some years now and basketball has moved on. You don't draft this kind of players to be your franchise cornerstones, they are more of a complementary piece.

TheSuzerain · Post #611 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:12 pm

Apollo64 wrote:People need to realize that the era where "pure point" players were perceived to have significant value has been over for some years now and basketball has moved on. You don't draft this kind of players to be your franchise cornerstones, they are more of a complementary piece.

Agreed 100%.

Feels like I've gone back in time when I read the projections for this guy.

I think he's a safe bet to be a nice starter, but I don't see the upside unless he's surrounded by elite offensive talent.

Post #612 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:I'd still take him ahead of Fox, but his father is legitimately a detriment.

At first glance I thought you were referring to Fox as his father.

AGAVE · Post #613 » by **AGAVE** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:47 pm

When I watch Lonzo, I try to think of successful NBA players who he is similar to.
I want to keep comparing him to Jason Kidd; but it's a bit of a reach.
Lonzo, at his current age, doesn't show that first step power nor penetration ball movement I'd like to see.
But I think it could evolve
More leg strength, conditioning, and NBA experience should develope him
Summer leagues and scrimmages should be a huge benefit for him.
He might not have that length to rise above defenders,
But..
I do believe, like a Jason Kidd or an Earvin Johnson, he has a unique IQ and court vision necessary to succeed.
Time will tell

madmaxmedia · Post #614 » by **madmaxmedia** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:57 pm

JLei wrote:
Disposable Hero wrote:despite the injury he flashed all the reasons why I think he's the top guy. Ball might be my #1 but each of the next 4 point guards are all right there talent wise. I'd take any of them and not look back. It's the most loaded guard draft in history. If some combination of guards went 1-6 it would not surprise me

What game were you watching? He flashed all the reasons that some scouts have doubts about him on.

The main one for me is that he has nothing against switches. With no pull up J or elite quickness you can neutralize his pick and roll easily. He of course has off ball potential but that limits his offensive ceiling in the NBA/ takes away from his best quality (his passing ability).

What I saw and see is Dallas Jason Kidd with bad defense. An all-star level/ just below player but he isn't going to be an elite player/ offensive anchor.

I don't know how many here think he is actually going to be an offensive anchor. Even in his one UCLA season he was not that, he was primarily a distributor who was effective from 3 and at the rim as the situation demanded. I am guessing he was the 3rd leading scorer?

I think he gets into trouble defensively when he doesn't move his feet and stay low. I think if he commits to learning better technique he can reach adequacy at defense, he has height, long arms, and reasonable athleticism to rely on.

Post #615 » by **TyCobb** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:11 pm

Ball is a good one on one defender but he must get stronger to fight through the screens better.

MalonesElbows · Post #616 » by **MalonesElbows** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:44 pm

Hope he busts for the sake of not having every half wit father go up and do the same thing Lavar has done.

Post #617 » by **Marcus** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:26 pm

MalonesElbows wrote:Hope he busts for the sake of not having every half wit father go up and do the same thing Lavar has done.

Not sure why you'd wish bad on the kid because you don't like his dad. Seems a bit extreme don't you think?

Post #618 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:28 pm

Marcus wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:Hope he busts for the sake of not having every half wit father go up and do the same thing Lavar has done.

Not sure why you'd wish bad on the kid because you don't like his dad. Seems a bit extreme don't you think?

Lavar Ball is annoying but I don't get why he makes people this angry. Well, I kinda do, but that's a convo for another board.

Post #619 » by **Marcus** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:14 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
Marcus wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:Hope he busts for the sake of not having every half wit father go up and do the same thing Lavar has done.

Not sure why you'd wish bad on the kid because you don't like his dad. Seems a bit extreme don't you think?

Lavar Ball is annoying but I don't get why he makes people this angry. Well, I kinda do, but that's a convo for another board.

The dad being annoying has nothing to do with the kid though. Let Lonzo play and ignore Lavar. Don't see what's so hard about that.

Post #620 » by **Duke4life831** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:36 pm

Marcus wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:Hope he busts for the sake of not having every half wit father go up and do the same thing Lavar has done.

Not sure why you'd wish bad on the kid because you don't like his dad. Seems a bit extreme don't you think?

Especially when you consider Lonzo's personality. Lonzo is a pretty quiet and humble kid.

I have the mindset that Im really rooting for Lonzo and really hoping Lavar learns to shut up.