2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

freshie2 · Post #1441 » by **freshie2** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:48 pm

The comp has been Kidd...there isn't a Kidd comp in the NBA, yet he was a pretty good player. He had a bad game, is young, and still a top 2 prospect. Shaq got bottled up in college, but just had a statue erected in LA. Let's keep this in perspective.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1442 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:52 pm

I'm starting to cool off on Ball, and that started even before the tourney. I think he can be very good in the NBA, but he is not a fit in every system. I also wish he was a better penetrator, and just think he will have a difficult time driving at the next level. I'd put him 3rd on my big board right now.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. Smith
7. Isaac
8. Monk

Dream scenario for the draft is Fultz with our top-3 pick plus Isaac with the LAL pick.

Edit: Forgot DSJ

sixerswillrule · Post #1443 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:58 pm

sixers238 wrote:I'm starting to cool off on Ball, and that started even before the tourney. I think he can be very good in the NBA, but he is not a fit in every system. I also wish he was a better penetrator, and just think he will have a difficult time driving at the next level. I'd put him 3rd on my big board right now.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. Isaac
7. Monk

Dream scenario for the draft is Fultz with our top-3 pick plus Isaac with the LAL pick.

Imagine the potential of a Fultz/Covington/Isaac/Simmons/Embiid lineup.

Cheatergriffin · Post #1444 » by **Cheatergriffin** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:14 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
sixers238 wrote:I'm starting to cool off on Ball, and that started even before the tourney. I think he can be very good in the NBA, but he is not a fit in every system. I also wish he was a better penetrator, and just think he will have a difficult time driving at the next level. I'd put him 3rd on my big board right now.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. Isaac
7. Monk

Dream scenario for the draft is Fultz with our top-3 pick plus Isaac with the LAL pick.

Imagine the potential of a Fultz/Covington/Isaac/Simmons/Embiid lineup.

That is the dream! Give me fultz and isaac or monk. I will never disrespect adam silver again. Make it happen adam.

SparksFly87 · Post #1445 » by **SparksFly87** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:17 pm

We need win now type draft picks like Jackson, Fultz and Tatum who have very polished games already. Not prospects like Issac. Our core is 21 and up next year. Young but we need to get it going next year.

ProcessDoctor · Post #1446 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:19 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:
sixers238 wrote:I'm starting to cool off on Ball, and that started even before the tourney. I think he can be very good in the NBA, but he is not a fit in every system. I also wish he was a better penetrator, and just think he will have a difficult time driving at the next level. I'd put him 3rd on my big board right now.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. Isaac
7. Monk

Dream scenario for the draft is Fultz with our top-3 pick plus Isaac with the LAL pick.

Imagine the potential of a Fultz/Covington/Isaac/Simmons/Embiid lineup.

The even bigger dream is adding KCP to that core.

Fultz/TJ/Bayless
KCP/TLC/Stauskas
Covington/Isaac/Anderson
Simmons/Saric/Long
Embiid/Holmes/Okafor

Cheatergriffin · Post #1447 » by **Cheatergriffin** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:29 pm

sixers238 wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
sixers238 wrote:I'm starting to cool off on Ball, and that started even before the tourney. I think he can be very good in the NBA, but he is not a fit in every system. I also wish he was a better penetrator, and just think he will have a difficult time driving at the next level. I'd put him 3rd on my big board right now.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Ball
4. Tatum
5. Fox
6. Isaac
7. Monk

Dream scenario for the draft is Fultz with our top-3 pick plus Isaac with the LAL pick.

Imagine the potential of a Fultz/Covington/Isaac/Simmons/Embiid lineup.

The even bigger dream is adding KCP to that core.

Fultz/TJ/Bayless
KCP/TLC/Stauskas
Covington/Isaac/Anderson
Simmons/Saric/Long
Embiid/Holmes/Okafor

Kcp just doesnt do it for me, not for the money hes gonna get.

76ciology · Post #1448 » by **76ciology** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:35 pm

Sixers2125 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Sixers2125 wrote:I think Ball would have been better if he came out 20 years ago. Just like the NBA has passed players like Okafor by, I think it's also passed guys like Ball by. I think Balls offensive game compares with Jason Kidd, but he isn't going to be nearly as good a defender as Kidd was though. As a guard these days you need to be able to take over games with your scoring, and if you are incapable of that then you must at least be a lock down defender. Without either of those traits you're destined for a career with a ceiling of being average.

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Actually Ball's game is more suited in today's team oriented game. UCLA also plays a very NBA like offense. Ball will be great when in a well spaced and fast paced offense. Which is the exact opposite of how Okafor plays on offense.

Individual scoring (devin booker or wiggins) and individual defense (tony allen or avery bradley) has lessen it's value. A team oriented game that involves spacing and passing on offense with deflections on D is what's valued nowadays (Roco is best example).

There's no wonder Lakers looks to be high on him.

Name one good player that plays the style Ball does in the nba today.

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Rubio with a jumper and athleticism? Taller version of Mike Conley? Better PG but worse D player version of George Hill?

Hard to project the players with too many moving variables. I just think that Ball's very good deflection, allaround, passing and 3pts should translate well in the NBA. Not to mention he has very good size and athleticism for NBA level PG.

You watched our game against the Bulls right? Bulls had Rondo and MCW on D against our PGs. Seems like Tj and Sergio tore down their D at will.

Point is, nobody cares about individual perimeter D nowadays while the spacing, pace and screens can easily gets you separation to get your shots off or allows you to collapse the opponents D.

If TJ can shoot, athletic and tall he may be special. Well, I just described Ball.

Cheatergriffin · Post #1449 » by **Cheatergriffin** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:47 pm

We need to seriously start sitting dario and roco. If we can get the 4th/5th best odds we have the 2nd best odds @ 1. If they were smarr both would get a hefty envelope behind closed doors and told see u over the summer, Roco will talk an extension, Dario congrats on roy.

Dont screw this up for meaningless wins. The process is almost colangelo-proof.

76ciology · Post #1450 » by **76ciology** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:09 pm

Cheatergriffin wrote:We need to seriously start sitting dario and roco. If we can get the 4th/5th best odds we have the 2nd best odds @ 1. If they were smarr both would get a hefty envelope behind closed doors and told see u over the summer, Roco will talk an extension, Dario congrats on roy.

Dont screw this up for meaningless wins. The process is almost colangelo-proof.

Colangelo knows what he is doing. The players he has brought in has all fit well with our team's principle. He's the architect of that Suns squad and has valued stretch 4 before the league caught up. While this ownership has been consistent with it's win big or go home mentality.

But yeah, I agree that we need to end with atleast the 4th-5th worst record and have both spots by us and the Kings.

TheAntiTrump · Post #1451 » by **TheAntiTrump** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:12 pm

Cheatergriffin wrote:We need to seriously start sitting dario and roco. If we can get the 4th/5th best odds we have the 2nd best odds @ 1. If they were smarr both would get a hefty envelope behind closed doors and told see u over the summer, Roco will talk an extension, Dario congrats on roy.

Dont screw this up for meaningless wins. The process is almost colangelo-proof.

When you have been a Bad team the past 3 years...there is no such thing as a " Meaningless " win. ALL WINS are Important. I mean I say go all out to win. Yes, give some time to young guys that have not yet got minutes, like TLC, Maybe Long and more Holmes. But you still go out and try to win.

Brauer · Post #1452 » by **Brauer** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:46 pm

If we get 1&4 then I want Monk/Tatum. Really hope that Kings and us get the 4th/5th worst records. We would be set.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1453 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:57 pm

TheAntiTrump wrote:
Cheatergriffin wrote:We need to seriously start sitting dario and roco. If we can get the 4th/5th best odds we have the 2nd best odds @ 1. If they were smarr both would get a hefty envelope behind closed doors and told see u over the summer, Roco will talk an extension, Dario congrats on roy.

Dont screw this up for meaningless wins. The process is almost colangelo-proof.

When you have been a Bad team the past 3 years...there is no such thing as a " Meaningless " win. ALL WINS are Important. I mean I say go all out to win. Yes, give some time to young guys that have not yet got minutes, like TLC, Maybe Long and more Holmes. But you still go out and try to win.

Nah. Losing out is better. I wouldn't sit Saric or Covington though. It sucks. We are too good. We are the best bad team. We lost our tank leader in Okafor when he got hurt. Hopefully he plays the rest of the way to help us lose. As much as it is best to lose out I don't think we should sit anyone, especially Saric. It is what it is. Just mentally prepare yourself to be sitting at 7 or 8 for the lottery.

Arsenal · Post #1454 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:08 pm

I don't want to sit Saric but I do want to sit RoCo. Tell RoCo we'll hammer out a juicy extension this offseason if he agrees to go on a nice early paid vacation. Saric should play for his ROY push and because he hasn't missed a single game yet, so he should finish an 82 game season.

If we just sit RoCo we can lose every game.

Mik317 · Post #1455 » by **Mik317** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:24 pm

you can't sit healthy players that will be apart of your core going forward. Yes the Suns and Lakers are doing so but they have the excuse that those guys won't be here next year.

It is what it is guys, we aren't bottom 5 team anymore....**** happens. Gotta have to rely on the lottery gods and some frozen envelopes

Sasashi · Post #1456 » by **Sasashi** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:00 pm

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Cheatergriffin · Post #1457 » by **Cheatergriffin** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:19 pm

TheAntiTrump wrote:
Cheatergriffin wrote:We need to seriously start sitting dario and roco. If we can get the 4th/5th best odds we have the 2nd best odds @ 1. If they were smarr both would get a hefty envelope behind closed doors and told see u over the summer, Roco will talk an extension, Dario congrats on roy.

Dont screw this up for meaningless wins. The process is almost colangelo-proof.

When you have been a Bad team the past 3 years...there is no such thing as a " Meaningless " win. ALL WINS are Important. I mean I say go all out to win. Yes, give some time to young guys that have not yet got minutes, like TLC, Maybe Long and more Holmes. But you still go out and try to win.

Uhm they are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Honestly i could care less if we win these games right now. In ten-20 years no one is going to remember last nights win. They will remember who we took in this draft, some will remember how we hypothetically screwed up winning meaningless games if we fall in the lottery and pick say 6-8.

Would u rather increase your odds by losing to get the 4th and the 5th pick raising yours odds to 2nd highest for the 1st pick? Potentially giving yourself the best odds to get which ever prospect your organization likes most.

OR would u rather win games on the backs of sergio rodriguez shawn long stauskas who lets be real have no future here. Yeah i get it dario/roco/tj/richaun are all apart of the future and no one wants them to play bad, but at the same time start giving guys specifically those 4 more rest more frequent to help your odds. Other teams are blatantly doing it and have been against us sitting their players for years.

Seriously, what is the point of winning games right now when we cant make the playoffs? What is the huge need to watch guys who i am more than impressed with this year keep winning games that do nothing but hurt our chances at gaining a superstar and yet at the same time cant make the playoffs.

We are literally tied W/L with like 3-4 other teams right now, you think our pick cant drop to 8-9? Let me know how happy you are about TLC or Longs development when your drafting 7-8th BIG DIFFERENCE from 1-4.

And bro the only person who was here from the start of the tank was nerlens, please dont give me the it means alot for this team stuff bc they have sucked for 3-4 years prior. Majority of these guys dont care about that. Do u think Ben simmons cares how the sixers did in 2014?

I love that brett has the guys playing with heart, but cmon we know who the keepers are and whos fighting to showcase themselves for other teams next year.

STOP WINNING GAMES.

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Negrodamus · Post #1458 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:42 pm

Yea, but did anyone watch Sindarius Thornwell thrash a team full of NBA prospects? Once again, age is the only reason people are low on him. He's carrying this team. I'd probably take him over Ball and Monk because he actually plays defense. The only thing going for Ball at this point is his ridiculously elite court vision.

Slizeezyc · Post #1459 » by **Slizeezyc** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:08 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Yea, but did anyone watch Sindarius Thornwell thrash a team full of NBA prospects? Once again, age is the only reason people are low on him. He's carrying this team. I'd probably take him over Ball and Monk because he actually plays defense. The only thing going for Ball at this point is his ridiculously elite court vision.

I like him where he's at in that he has a lot of the Buddy Hield thing going on (even more so) where he didn't stand out until he was the "man among boys" in terms of being a senior. This is his only standout season etc. which is always a red flag with four-year players on some level. His ability to make plays was about the only thing that stood out before this season, and that he's obviously a better defender than a Hield (nice wingspan too).

the_process · Post #1460 » by **the_process** » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:20 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Yea, but did anyone watch Sindarius Thornwell thrash a team full of NBA prospects? Once again, age is the only reason people are low on him. He's carrying this team. I'd probably take him over Ball and Monk because he actually plays defense. The only thing going for Ball at this point is his ridiculously elite court vision.

I am hoping the Sixers can move back into the end of the 1st and grab Thornwell or Hart.