This offseason

[NyCeEvO]

I really wonder if PHX views Tyson Chandler and Brandon Knight as negative assets. If they do, I wonder if they would be open to a Bledsoe/Knight/T.Chandler for Lopez/2017 1st deal.

PHX gets rid of their "bad" contracts and clears cap space. While the fans may not like it, I'm sure Sarver would be open to saving more money.

Bledsoe and Lin are interchangeable for me so I wouldn't have any issues if Lin started at the 2 while Bledsoe was the primary PG or vice versa.

The lineup after the trade would be:

Bledsoe/IW/Dinwiddie
Lin/Knight/Skil/Goodwin
Levert/Harris/ KJMcD
RHJ/Booker/Nicholson
T.Chandler/Acy/1st Rd pick

This would be stage 1 over roster changes for me, but we'd have a ton of versatility with this lineup.

— We could take our time grooming our 1st rd pick to become the starting center in a few years. (Bam Adebayo?)
— Considering the number of ballhandlers on the team, I might consider moving Booker, KJ, and/or maybe RHJ for a bigger, athletic PF.

[tonman]

I really wonder if PHX views Tyson Chandler and Brandon Knight as negative assets. If they do, I wonder if they would be open to a Bledsoe/Knight/T.Chandler for Lopez/2017 1st deal.

PHX gets rid of their "bad" contracts and clears cap space. While the fans may not like it, I'm sure Sarver would be open to saving more money.

Bledsoe and Lin are interchangeable for me so I wouldn't have any issues if Lin started at the 2 while Bledsoe was the primary PG or vice versa.

The lineup after the trade would be:

Bledsoe/IW/Dinwiddie
Lin/Knight/Skil/Goodwin
Levert/Harris/ KJMcD
RHJ/Booker/Nicholson
T.Chandler/Acy/1st Rd pick

This would be stage 1 over roster changes for me, but we'd have a ton of versatility with this lineup.

— We could take our time grooming our 1st rd pick to become the starting center in a few years. (Bam Adebayo?)
— Considering the number of ballhandlers on the team, I might consider moving Booker, KJ, and/or maybe RHJ for a bigger, athletic PF.

I really don't think the Suns are going to depart with Bledsoe. They'd be happy to let Knight go. Uli would back Bledoe up.

As much as I'd like to have Chandler, I'm not willing to give up Brook for him.

[jbeachboy]

any chance we get rid of hamilton or nicholson this offseason?

[Antti22]

What do you guys think about the possibility to pick some good players up from Boston Celtics scrap heap?
What I mean by that is that with the infusion of a top or near top pick they will have some horrible log jams on the roster and they got to be sorted. In addition to some talented players on the bench getting waived probably ( or traded for late 2nd round picks) to create roster space. There will probably be a trade of either Bradley or IT this summer ( they would be stupid not to trade one of them this summer) . Would the Nets deal with Boston again or it is considered a sin? Small or major, considering our assets, probably small deal. But still.

[TheNetsFan]

What do you guys think about the possibility to pick some good players up from Boston Celtics scrap heap?
What I mean by that is that with the infusion of a top or near top pick they will have some horrible log jams on the roster and they got to be sorted. In addition to some talented players on the bench getting waived probably ( or traded for late 2nd round picks) to create roster space. There will probably be a trade of either Bradley or IT this summer ( they would be stupid not to trade one of them this summer) . Would the Nets deal with Boston again or it is considered a sin? Small or major, considering our assets, probably small deal. But still.

Trading with Boston is not a sin. New management should not be limited by the mistakes of the Billy King era/error. I see Bradley as the odd man out over there, especially if they land a top 2 pick, as that'll be a definite guard selection. It's even more likely if they believe they can land high priced FAs like Hayward, and want to free up a bit more cap space. They're very guard heavy, & will be more so if they end up with Ball or Fultz. They will need some extra front court help.

That being said, I don't see us having the right assets to make a deal for a Bradley/Smart/Brown caliber player, unless they're looking to free up $7ish mil by moving Bradley for little to no salary, e.g. RHJ. Booker could also be intriguing for them as a moderately priced depth/hustle big.

[Prokorov]

I really wonder if PHX views Tyson Chandler and Brandon Knight as negative assets. If they do, I wonder if they would be open to a Bledsoe/Knight/T.Chandler for Lopez/2017 1st deal.

PHX gets rid of their "bad" contracts and clears cap space. While the fans may not like it, I'm sure Sarver would be open to saving more money.

Bledsoe and Lin are interchangeable for me so I wouldn't have any issues if Lin started at the 2 while Bledsoe was the primary PG or vice versa.

The suns will have 40 million in cap space. so im not sure "moving back contracts" is any kind of motivation for them in regards to a trade. Chandler has 2 years left at 13M per. Im not even sure how bad that is as a role guy. thats like Thad money. Knight runs long but even he only makes 15M per. thats not back breaking.

There young guys are rookie scale for another 2 years, so they dont need to clear space to pay guys like booker either.

I think if you want to give them brook/1st for knight/chandler they listen and probably pull the trigger. but doubt they would move bledsoe without getting an asset they covet (young guy like Levert or a pick in the low teens).

They have Len, and ammo to add another big F/PF/C type in this draft. so not sure lopez fits other then taking him to get the pick.

seems like a bad fit as partners. unless its just a pick for knight or something.

[Prokorov]

any chance we get rid of hamilton or nicholson this offseason?

Hamilton is guaranteed 3 Million. I think its much more likely we see Kilpatrick or Foye as neither has gauranteed money and foye is a UFA. Dinwiddie, Harris, McDaneils are also all ungauranteed. We have a glut of gaurds and wings. id assume some are likely the first to go.

Hamilton could go in a trade or be trade filler. maybe for a second. If lopez goes i think he stays as our stretch 5.

Nicholson makes 6M per for 2-3 more seasons. not likely to be moved. low value and long contract. We could cut him and stretch him making the cap hit minimal. but dont see that unless we really need the roster spot.

Skil and Foye are likely gone. Goodwin also a UFA who could be one of the first to go.

Dinwiddie, McDaniels, Harris are potentials all ungauranteed. Acy is too but he seems like a fit.

Lopez and Booker best candidates to be dealt. Some Value and expiring money.

then you have Hamilton, Nicholson guys who dont have value but could be dealt.

Lin, RHJ, Levert, Whitehead all seem really safe to stay.

[Prokorov]

What do you guys think about the possibility to pick some good players up from Boston Celtics scrap heap?
What I mean by that is that with the infusion of a top or near top pick they will have some horrible log jams on the roster and they got to be sorted. In addition to some talented players on the bench getting waived probably ( or traded for late 2nd round picks) to create roster space. There will probably be a trade of either Bradley or IT this summer ( they would be stupid not to trade one of them this summer) . Would the Nets deal with Boston again or it is considered a sin? Small or major, considering our assets, probably small deal. But still.

We dont have the assets to get thomas/bradley/smart. If those guys are moved its probably for picks that dont take up a roster spot or consolidated with their picks in a deal for a star.

For us to get thomas or bradley we would need to give multiple picks and multiple players. thats the opposite of what boston would probably be looking for.

More likely would be offering a contract to olynk, who i could see them letting walk

[TheNetsFan]

We dont have the assets to get thomas/bradley/smart. If those guys are moved its probably for picks that dont take up a roster spot or consolidated with their picks in a deal for a star.

For us to get thomas or bradley we would need to give multiple picks and multiple players. thats the opposite of what boston would probably be looking for.

More likely would be offering a contract to olynk, who i could see them letting walk

I am very intrigued by Olynyk. I think he would fit the system here well, and he probably will not be retained by Boston at his likely price tag, especially if they're going big game hunting.

I would throw the caveat: "Unless we offer Lopez" to your statement about not having assets for Bradley or Smart. I think it's likely they deal Bradley, possible they deal Smart (if they land Fultz or Ball) and extremely unlikely they deal Thomas. I could see Boston willing to part with Bradley & Olynyk (S&T) for Lopez. I don't think I'd do that, but from their perspective it reallocates strength from a position of great depth to a thinner position on a short term deal.

[Prokorov]

We dont have the assets to get thomas/bradley/smart. If those guys are moved its probably for picks that dont take up a roster spot or consolidated with their picks in a deal for a star.

For us to get thomas or bradley we would need to give multiple picks and multiple players. thats the opposite of what boston would probably be looking for.

More likely would be offering a contract to olynk, who i could see them letting walk

I am very intrigued by Olynyk. I think he would fit the system here well, and he probably will not be retained by Boston at his likely price tag, especially if they're going big game hunting.

I would throw the caveat: "Unless we offer Lopez" to your statement about not having assets for Bradley or Smart. I think it's likely they deal Bradley, possible they deal Smart (if they land Fultz or Ball) and extremely unlikely they deal Thomas. I could see Boston willing to part with Bradley & Olynyk (S&T) for Lopez. I don't think I'd do that, but from their perspective it reallocates strength from a position of great depth to a thinner position on a short term deal.

Boston could do much better for Bradley in a trade then Lopez and they wouldnt want him anyway. They are all about defense. they are looking to add stars to get to the next level. I cant see them having any interest in brook.

As far as olynk... only at the right price (4/48?). he is a slightly better hamilton. he has alot of flaws and is inconsisteny and always battling some injury.

Lopez doesnt come close to getting Bradley. value wise.

[Prokorov]

Posted this on the trade board... seemed to be well recieved

Nets get:
Myers Leonard
Evan Turner
Allen Crabbe
Blazers '17 first (15th)
Griz '17 first (20th)

Blazer Get:
Brook Lopez

Blazers shed 25 million in salary for next year while renting lopez and having him coming off the bench as a supersub for 30 minutes behind nurkic. Then shed another 20 million when lopez expires. They still have the rockets first.

For us... its like this:

-We add 2 picks in the 10-20 range, giving us 4 this year
-We taking on 25 million in salary this year, still allowing us enough cap to max an RFA like porter or noel or whomever
-We add Crabbe who marks signed an offer sheet for the exact price of his exsisting contract

Turner/Leonard both run 3 years.... by the time the 4 rookies have developed and are ready to really contribute those guys are off the books. in the mean time turner is a high iq ball handler and good vet to have around (Boston praised him as a mentor during his time) and leonard is a stretch 5.

New Core:

Lin, Levert, RHJ, Crabbe
#15 (Justin Jackson?)
#20 (Isiah Hartenstein? Ivan Rabb?)
#25 (Luke Kenard? Donovan Mitchell?)
#26 (Bam Adebayo? Devin Robinson?))

thats 7 young guys plus lin to develop for the next 2-3 years. At which point we A) have control of our own picks again and B) the salary for turner/Leonard go away and we have enormous cap room again.

And if we can pry away Noel:

Lin, Levert, Crabbe, RHJ, Noel
Rookie, Rookie, Rookie, Rookie, Turner, Leonard, Acy, Whitehead, dinwiddei...

That would be a fun young exciting team to watch grow up for 2-3 years. It would also give us tons of young trade chips and make us players at every deadline.... or we could move up in the draft or move a pick(s) for one in 2018 to a team with no pick in this draft.

Justin Jackson, Isiaiah Hartenstein, Luke Kenard, and Donovan Mitchell or Bam Asebayo

thats a nice infusion of young talent.

[TheNetsFan]

That gets a big No from me.

1) 4 non-lottery picks in the same draft is not very appealing. I like the idea of a pick at 15ish, but I'd rather pursue a 2018 1st, and perhaps a swap of the Wash or BOS picks for the Grizz pick. If we can find someone offering a 2017 2nd & 2018 1st (HOU?) for a 2017 1st, that works too.

2) Taking on Crabbe, Turner & Leonard is lunacy. It would take at least a pick each to make it worthwhile, and even then, I wouldn't want to lock up over 50% of the cap in those 3 plus Nicholson for the next 3 years.

3) As stated in #2, the compensation isn't enough to take those guys on for nothing, let alone our best player & the best player in the deal.

4) With Nurkic there, I don't see the Lopez fit.

If you want to talk 1 of those killer contracts and a pick for nothing, sure. 2 of those killer contracts and a pick for Nicholson, maybe. 3 killer contracts with 2 non-lottery picks for our best player? Hell no.

Perhaps it wouldn't seem as toxic if there were more clarity on Leonard's injuries, but alarms go off when you hear 2 herniated disks & hip pain for a 7 footer.

[vincecarter4pres]

Posted this on the trade board... seemed to be well recieved

Nets get:
Myers Leonard
Evan Turner
Allen Crabbe
Blazers '17 first (15th)
Griz '17 first (20th)

Blazer Get:
Brook Lopez

Blazers shed 25 million in salary for next year while renting lopez and having him coming off the bench as a supersub for 30 minutes behind nurkic. Then shed another 20 million when lopez expires. They still have the rockets first.

For us... its like this:

-We add 2 picks in the 10-20 range, giving us 4 this year
-We taking on 25 million in salary this year, still allowing us enough cap to max an RFA like porter or noel or whomever
-We add Crabbe who marks signed an offer sheet for the exact price of his exsisting contract

Turner/Leonard both run 3 years.... by the time the 4 rookies have developed and are ready to really contribute those guys are off the books. in the mean time turner is a high iq ball handler and good vet to have around (Boston praised him as a mentor during his time) and leonard is a stretch 5.

New Core:

Lin, Levert, RHJ, Crabbe
#15 (Justin Jackson?)
#20 (Isiah Hartenstein? Ivan Rabb?)
#25 (Luke Kenard? Donovan Mitchell?)
#26 (Bam Adebayo? Devin Robinson?))

thats 7 young guys plus lin to develop for the next 2-3 years. At which point we A) have control of our own picks again and B) the salary for turner/Leonard go away and we have enormous cap room again.

And if we can pry away Noel:

Lin, Levert, Crabbe, RHJ, Noel
Rookie, Rookie, Rookie, Rookie, Turner, Leonard, Acy, Whitehead, dinwiddei...

That would be a fun young exciting team to watch grow up for 2-3 years. It would also give us tons of young trade chips and make us players at every deadline.... or we could move up in the draft or move a pick(s) for one in 2018 to a team with no pick in this draft.

Justin Jackson, Isiaiah Hartenstein, Luke Kenard, and Donovan Mitchell or Bam Asebayo

thats a nice infusion of young talent.

That's an insane amount of truly putrid salary for nothing more than some mid picks, a hard pass.

You need at least a top 10 pick for taking on that kind of salary.

[Prokorov]

That's an insane amount of truly putrid salary for nothing more than some mid picks, a hard pass.

You need at least a top 10 pick for taking on that kind of salary.

But no one is giving a top 10 pick to shed salary... that opportunity doesnt exsist. are we getting great value for eating salary? No, we arent. but its better then watching our cap space go to more Trevor bookers or maxing out a KCP.

I'd rather be 20-25 wins for 3 years and add a bunch of 15-20 type first round talent rookies then to win 35 games and look like the current pistons with a bunch of overpaid role guys and fringe all-stars that need to play great just to land a 7 seed.

The value we'd get for taking on 45 million in salary isnt great.... but our cap space is also not valuable since we dont have anyone all that good who would take it.... that cap space is going to bring back undervalued returns either way. might as well get picks for it

[Trader_Joe]

Agree with others.. rather look for a 2018 pick and not 2 mid 1sts in a draft where we might have up to 4 picks and cash to move up. I also hate Evan Turner's deal. Don't think we'd have any flexibility after this deal either for future cap related deals.

[vincecarter4pres]

That's an insane amount of truly putrid salary for nothing more than some mid picks, a hard pass.

You need at least a top 10 pick for taking on that kind of salary.

But no one is giving a top 10 pick to shed salary... that opportunity doesnt exsist. are we getting great value for eating salary? No, we arent. but its better then watching our cap space go to more Trevor bookers or maxing out a KCP.

I'd rather be 20-25 wins for 3 years and add a bunch of 15-20 type first round talent rookies then to win 35 games and look like the current pistons with a bunch of overpaid role guys and fringe all-stars that need to play great just to land a 7 seed.

The value we'd get for taking on 45 million in salary isnt great.... but our cap space is also not valuable since we dont have anyone all that good who would take it.... that cap space is going to bring back undervalued returns either way. might as well get picks for it

I wouldn't budge then. As TJ and others have said, Turner's contract is just a no-go.

I would hope Marks would do his due diligence to get a pick in the mid first round, but not this route.

The 15 and the 20, plus Leonard and Crabbe for Lopez and either Nicholsen or Hamilton and say the later of our two picks, that's a lot more amendable.

[twosevenstreet]

Let's all actually think about this for a second:

Keeper = (k)
Lin (k)/ Din (k)/ goodWin (k)
Foye / IW (k)/ Harris
CLV (k)/ KJ (k)/ SKilz
RHJ (k)/ Booker / Acy (k)
Brook (k)/ Ham /Nich

non-keepers (In my opinion)
Foye is expiring
Harris is non-guaranteed
Skilz is non-guaranteed
Booker has 1yr left
Ham has 1yr left
Nich has 3yrs left

What can we realistically do with these guys?
Foye, let him expire
Harris, cut
Skilz, trade for a future pick, ideally a 1st, but i'll take a good 2nd
Booker, 1st from a mid tier playoff team, like an OKC or an Atl
Ham, trade for a future 2nd from a playoff team
Nich, we may have to swallow this one

That leaves us with 5 spots, 3 for the picks in the draft (it may be 4 picks since Indy is losing right now), so we can end up with 1 or 2 open spots for FAs

Ideally one of the FAs will be a starting SG, the other can be a veteran big
Lin (k)/ Din (k)/ goodWin (k)
FA / IW (k)/ pick
CLV (k)/ KJ (k)/ pick
RHJ (k)/ pick / Acy (k)
Brook (k)/ FA /Nich

keep open 16 and 17 spots for dleague and mid season pick ups.

[Prokorov]

Agree with others.. rather look for a 2018 pick and not 2 mid 1sts in a draft where we might have up to 4 picks and cash to move up. I also hate Evan Turner's deal. Don't think we'd have any flexibility after this deal either for future cap related deals.

Turner/Leonard/Crabbe come to 45 million. Brook is 20 million going out. We would have roughly 25M in cap left over depending on how we handle some of the guaranteed guys. over 30 million if we could dump booker for salary to someone (maybe we even add him to the portland deal?)

I dont think it would be tough for us to move into the 2018 draft if we wanted to after this trade. there are like 4-5 teams with no pick in this draft who could be buyers moving their 2018 pick.

If could land porter and/or noel and George Hill. Great. but if not... we are looking at using our cap on guys not much better then crabbe/turner/leonard and NOT getting picks for it.

Its not cut and dry... but i think once you look past "dumping turner is worth more then a mid first" it becomes pretty attractive when you consider the alternatives we may realistically have with that cap space.

I mean, sure, if we get lucky in RFA and teams dont match, then this is out the window. but otherwise its a good option

[MrDollarBills]

Turner and Leonard? That makes zero sense for several reasons, first of all its dead money and both players are horrible.

Those are two of the worst contracts in professional sports Prok. Why would we even remotely do that?

I'd trade for Crabbe(18 mil), Mo Harkless (9 mil) and one of their picks for Lopez. Nothing else. It would work cap wise since we'd be able to take back the extra five mil or so and both players will be young and will fit right in with what we're doing. To forgo a deal like that in favor of taking on those albatross contracts defy any reason or logic.

i'd rather lose Lopez for nothing than to take back Portland's used toilet paper

[vincecarter4pres]

Turner and Leonard? That makes zero sense for several reasons, first of all its dead money and both players are horrible.

Those are two of the worst contracts in professional sports Prok. Why would we even remotely do that?

I'd trade for Crabbe(18 mil), Mo Harkless (9 mil) and one of their picks for Lopez. Nothing else. It would work cap wise since we'd be able to take back the extra five mil or so and both players will be young and will fit right in with what we're doing. To forgo a deal like that in favor of taking on those albatross contracts defy any reason or logic.

i'd rather lose Lopez for nothing than to take back Portland's used toilet paper

I mainly have to agree.

Though I'd do Crabbe and Leonard with both their picks for Lopez and Nicholsen and maybe the later of our 2 current picks and/or Skil.

You get something like the 15 and the 20 and hold onto the 23rd to 25th, now you have a very real package to move up into the top 10, maybe as high as 7th, but more likely like 9th or 10th.

Something like 15 and 20 and Booker alone might get you to 10.