2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[Mik317]

Jackson laying an egg as I up my stan-ing of him says a lot.

I'm just gonna hate on everyone for their sake

[Slizeezyc]

Wasn't Buddy Hield the Big 12 POY his junior year? I don't think he appeared out of no where, much like Sindarius didn't. If you've just been paying attention to Thornwell's offense, then yes, this is his first standout year. He's always been a great defender on a developing team.

Again, I'm on board with him as a prospect, just trying to point out why a senior doing this isn't so easy to project moving forward and why I sort of rail against the "safety" of four-year players.

I don't think there is a "safety" in four year players, that's why teams get burned by passing them over in the draft.

But if you look at what he is and remove age from the equation, I'm willing to eat crow, but I think he'll be one of the top 10 (maybe even top 5) players to come out of this upcoming draft.

Hey I'm not trying to talk you out of it or anything, I support the view, just was giving a viewpoint on the player/situation.

I try to avoid being matter-of-fact and acting high and mighty, as plenty of people will do that in here as is with the sniping at "box score scouts" and all the other stuff. I just want to talk about prospects and have a good time with it.

[Mik317]

making Bell look like Bill Russell and ****

[phiphan]

DX projects Bell as a mid second rounder. Seems like a good project pick if he's still there. 22+ years old though.

[Slizeezyc]

Jackson laying an egg as I up my stan-ing of him says a lot.

I'm just gonna hate on everyone for their sake

He's not as fun when the other team can match up with him athletically and the "small-ball" stuff doesn't work with him at the 4 since the weave and getting out on the break dries up. It's a concern, but hopefully he improves in that regard, and gets put in a better system that isn't so predicated on just exploiting things when he's playing in small-ball lineups or just lineups where everyone is either slower or smaller than him that's guarding him.

[Mik317]

how about Tyler Dorsey? Pretty young, knock down shooter, nice size (not sure if he is a PG tho...so might be wrong), one a nice program and yet I barely hear anything about him.

Must be a **** tier defender then.

[tsmith]

Kansas looking atrocious on offence. Jackson defending well though.

[phiphan]

how about Tyler Dorsey? Pretty young, knock down shooter, nice size (not sure if he is a PG tho...so might be wrong), one a nice program and yet I barely hear anything about him.

Must be a **** tier defender then.

Looks to not have NBA quicks to my eye

[Mik317]

choke city incoming?

[Mik317]

das it mayne.

Jackson semi-redeemed himself in the second half with his defense and other stuff...but still gonna cool off on my hype for any prospect for the sake of their careers lol.

[Arsenal]

Josh Jackson gone now also after an underwhelming performance.

[the_process]

[With a crunch time lineup of Holmes, Long, Anderson, Sauce, and TJ. Those rotations should fail to win 90% of the time. And it's not a bad look, because all their guys are playing.

Those are some of our best talents. Holmes is good. TJ is our starter, and one of the better NBA Facilitators in the entire league. I agree with Anderson getting more time to see what he can do, and get accustomed with some of our regulars. But TLC should remain our starter. And Dario and Covington must continue to play to gain some future Chemistry with the likes of a Anderson and TLC. Cause most likely in the future, those guys will be our first players off our bench.

I like Holmes. Someone has to play C with that group. And while TJ has gotten far more out of his talent than he should have... he's by no means a starting PG in the league.

[TheAntiTrump]

[With a crunch time lineup of Holmes, Long, Anderson, Sauce, and TJ. Those rotations should fail to win 90% of the time. And it's not a bad look, because all their guys are playing.

Those are some of our best talents. Holmes is good. TJ is our starter, and one of the better NBA Facilitators in the entire league. I agree with Anderson getting more time to see what he can do, and get accustomed with some of our regulars. But TLC should remain our starter. And Dario and Covington must continue to play to gain some future Chemistry with the likes of a Anderson and TLC. Cause most likely in the future, those guys will be our first players off our bench.

TJ is alot better and more efficient then people give him credit for. And even though I think he is better then more then half the leagues starting PG's...he and Simmons can't start together. But as a off the bench PG for us, he is very valuable. He is a keeper, there is zero doubt about that.
I like Holmes. Someone has to play C with that group. And while TJ has gotten far more out of his talent than he should have... he's by no means a starting PG in the league.

[No-Man]

I like Thornwell, just don't think he has the athletic tools or the wiggle/shake to be a guy that does much on ball, he is a good and quick passer, but he gets a ton of FTs close to the basket that he aint gonna get at the next level, so everything lies on if his shooting from 3 improvement is to be trusted, he can be a 3&D guy that can actually make a pass, maybe like a less athletic Wes Matthews if you think his shooting gets that good, but I am not taking a guy that has that as a ceiling over others, late lotto is the highest I'd go with him probably.

This is all moot though, he's gonna go late 1st probably, he is still a better, or a winning prospect, not like Buddy.

[No-Man]

how about Tyler Dorsey? Pretty young, knock down shooter, nice size (not sure if he is a PG tho...so might be wrong), one a nice program and yet I barely hear anything about him.

Must be a **** tier defender then.

He is okay on D actually, competes, smart, the issue with him is that he is not much more than a shooter and he is a hot/cold guy at times, his FT% numbers aren't good, doesnt get to the line much either.
seems like a small 2 basically, which if his shooting is elite might work, but he might be just that, like Wayne Ellington lite.

Gonna guess he declares for sure tho, he wanted to do so last year, he probably gets drafted.

[LloydFree]

The tournament played out well for the 76ers, if they can get that Lakers pick. The best players are gone, and didn't get the tournament 'bump'. Had a feeling Jackson would play himself into #1. I'm still hopeful he can somehow fall to the 76ers.

[smittybanton]

The tournament played out well for the 76ers, if they can get that Lakers pick. The best players are gone, and didn't get the tournament 'bump'. Had a feeling Jackson would play himself into #1. I'm still hopeful he can somehow fall to the 76ers.

1. Fox standing out probably makes the Kings and Knicks more comfortable. Both desperately need their PGOTF. Wished we could've seen Fox vs. Fultz. DeAaron took Ball's right from him. Fultz is similarly right hand dominant (drive right, pull up left). Would've been interesting to compare and contrast.

2. No fives projected in top ten. Neither Markkanen, Patton and Collins project to be any better than Jahlil at defense. Bodes well for a possible trade. Only American player in this whole draft who can guard NBA centers is Bam Adebayo. Except I've been slightly disappointed in his help recognition. (And Nerlens is clearly the #1 FA center, arghhh).

3. One good thing about Lavar Ball is that his girth suggests Lonzo will fill out somewhat. Looking like barely Tayshaun Prince, there's no reason Ball wont grow sinewy strong similar to Klay Thompson. To papa Ball's credit, he's long said Lonzo needs to get much stronger to play in the NBA.

4. Intangibles: I want Ball's mind as much as his skill. His anticipation is almost as evident in his help defense and rebounding. I don't give a whit about his pops. I do care about a point guard not being able to beat defenders to either side, though. Next to Ben, however, it's not as much of a concern otherwise, so long as the shooting is real. Same with Fultz.

I get the notion of preferring guys you have to calm down instead of ones you have to rev up, but I'm concerned about the number of times I've seen teammates and coaches step inbetween Josh Jackson and the refs. Maybe we need that intensity? Not sure. I could be equally concerned with Fultz' nonchalance.

I dig the intensity of Michigan St. players, particularly "Flintrocks", and trust that Tom Izzo gives 38min/gm to Miles Bridges because he plays "the right way". His ballhandling turned out to be much better than I expected, although he doesn't often make plays for others with it. Justin Anderson's presence dampened my enthusiasm for Bridges, although I project Miles will be the much better player.

5. DeAnthony Melton = Eric Snow.

6. Josh Okogie is real. Carrying Georgia Tech to the NIT Final Four. Game Tuesday on ESPN.

[Sixersftw]

Had a feeling Jackson would play himself into #1. I'm still hopeful he can somehow fall to the 76ers.

I can't imagine a world where he is lower than 3 despite the meh game by Kansas. Someone always shoots up the board but barring injury the top 3 look locked in whatever order you wanna put them in.

[freshie2]

Tatum or Jackson are probably #3...depends which skillet you prefer. I'd be fine with either.

[shawn_hemp]

I hope we only get the 5th pick in the draft so we have no choice but to take Monk