Jeremy Lin's Impact Discussion thread

[bws94]

Lin has been a big part of this team actually winning games as of late, I'm not sure how that can be discounted.

The Nets win as a team, lose as a team. Lin is a part of this team and its not a coincidence that the Nets have actually pulled a few wins out of their asses now that he's back to playing again.

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

I don't think anyone's said that. But he's been the missing ingredient for getting wins vs. earlier without him, especially in the 4Q. However, as I pointed out in a post, the guys you've mentioned have improved and contributed significantly.

[tonman]

Lin has been a big part of this team actually winning games as of late, I'm not sure how that can be discounted.

The Nets win as a team, lose as a team. Lin is a part of this team and its not a coincidence that the Nets have actually pulled a few wins out of their asses now that he's back to playing again.

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

the biggest thing that lin has done is to start at PG. debate all you want but he's a starting PG. that means Dinwiddie and Whitehead do not have to play against the other team's starting PG except for any overlap and when Lin is out due to minutes restrictions. now you've got bench vs. bench and you've seen the bench mob win a number of these matchups lately.

as bws mentioned, no one says Lin is winning the games himself. but if you took the starting PG from a number of the nba teams you'd see them struggle. only the elite teams with talent on the starting group or the ability to put a backup PG in the game and not lose a beat will make it through the loss of the starting PG.

Toronto lost Lowry but didn't miss a beat. what would happen to charlotte if Kemba went down? How good would OKC and Houston be without RWB and Harden? Again, depends on the remaining talent but when Lin is arguably your 2nd best player, it's going to hurt with him out of the lineup. that's not debatable.

you can replace Lin with any starting PG caliber guard and the Nets would be in the same boat. it's not Lin the almighty here, it's just Lin is the starting PG on this team and he was out for most the season.

[MrDollarBills]

Lin has been a big part of this team actually winning games as of late, I'm not sure how that can be discounted.

The Nets win as a team, lose as a team. Lin is a part of this team and its not a coincidence that the Nets have actually pulled a few wins out of their asses now that he's back to playing again.

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

agreed.

again...it is a team effort, win or lose.

[Jagger-meister]

Lin has been a big part of this team actually winning games as of late, I'm not sure how that can be discounted.

The Nets win as a team, lose as a team. Lin is a part of this team and its not a coincidence that the Nets have actually pulled a few wins out of their asses now that he's back to playing again.

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

agreed.

again...it is a team effort, win or lose.

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

[MrDollarBills]

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

agreed.

again...it is a team effort, win or lose.

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

Yes, because Memphis clearly chose to lose against us. in a game where Lin played his ass off at that.

listen, if you want to spin everything as a negative, that's your prerogative to do so. I don't think that getting pissy about this team winning games in March is really worth it, but by all means.

You're upset when the team loses because you don't want Boston to get a top 2 pick

You're upset when the team wins because the opponents "let" the Nets win.

what's the point?

[Paradise]

I mean, anybody with two eyes and a working brain who watched this team for the last 72 games can see that Lin is a quality PG that helps us a lot more than hurts us.

Lin has been the third best player on every playoff team he's been on. Therefore he is an impactful player. Point blank.

HOU: Harden/Parsons/Lin
HOU: Harden/Howard/Lin
CHA: Walker/Batum/Lin

Lin's 19.7 PER is the highest of a Nets PG since 2012. Yet, this is considered a bad season for him.

Being a third option doesn't make you less of a starting caliber player or impactful player. Let's discuss stuff without an agenda. This isn't the Knicks cesspool forum. Let's act like knowledgable fans instead of trollish nonsense.



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[tonman]

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

agreed.

again...it is a team effort, win or lose.

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

Uh we've had this talk before. The Nets were losing when that foul occurred so not sure why you believe if that foul didn't occur that the Nets would win. Perhaps you could say Lin lost us a CHANCE to win? And I've argued that that was offset by a missed free throw. But by keeping to your words you are keeping to your narrative. Ignore everything else in that game but by golly that one play was it.

Plus don't tell us context of you stats. Even with a roster of D-leaguers the team would not lose every single game. What is it? You're blaming other team's injuries for their losses yet the Nets can't blame Lin's absence for some of their losses? No I am not saying Lin would make this a playoff team.

Lin wasn't brought here to instantly make this a winning team. Every outlet picked the Nets to be the worse team in the league.

As for wiping the slate, look at the Lakers and the sixes and to a certain point the wolves. You can't go all young. Teams need to learn how to win and that requires a mix of youth and veterans.

You mentioned the Kings yet you did not bother to look at their current lineup. They have Hield and WCS and a few other youngsters but they also have Lawson, koufos, collison, afflalo, McLemore, Tyrese Evans, galloway. Those arent youngsters on rookie contracts.

And the team that phoenix trotted out still is an nba team and yes a well coached elite college team can beat them.

[Jagger-meister]

agreed.

again...it is a team effort, win or lose.

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

Yes, because Memphis clearly chose to lose against us. in a game where Lin played his ass off at that.

listen, if you want to spin everything as a negative, that's your prerogative to do so. I don't think that getting pissy about this team winning games in March is really worth it, but by all means.

You're upset when the team loses because you don't want Boston to get a top 2 pick

You're upset when the team wins because the opponents "let" the Nets win.

what's the point?

I get upset when we throw flowers at the feet of someone who doesn't deserve the praise.

It has long passed since we had a chance to prevent the Celtics from getting that pick. The time to care about that was months ago. Now that we are getting mercy wins from teams tanking for the lottery doesn't change the fact that this team needs radical overhauls at every position, particularly PG. Lin has not been playing well at all and is taking credit away from guys who have actually been contributing positively like RHJ and Acy.

[Paradise]

Those guys get better looks to convert and look good because Lin is a smart and good passer.

RHJ has gotten better because he's been playing with a penetrating and passing PG that isn't going to throw him the ball and make him go one on one.

It's really that simple. You want to nitpick stats. Look at the assisted percentages before all-star break and post-all star break.



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[Roy Tarpley]

In the Hawks game, Lin had a quiet 19/8 in 28 minutes, which is what you want from a starting PG. Even when he seems like he's not doing well, he grinds out production across the board. I'm very confident that the Nets win at least 30 games if he's healthy all year. Knowing this, we can set a baseline for what the Nets can do next year if we add some more talent -- maybe even sniff the playoffs.

[MrDollarBills]

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

Yes, because Memphis clearly chose to lose against us. in a game where Lin played his ass off at that.

listen, if you want to spin everything as a negative, that's your prerogative to do so. I don't think that getting pissy about this team winning games in March is really worth it, but by all means.

You're upset when the team loses because you don't want Boston to get a top 2 pick

You're upset when the team wins because the opponents "let" the Nets win.

what's the point?

I get upset when we throw flowers at the feet of someone who doesn't deserve the praise.

It has long passed since we had a chance to prevent the Celtics from getting that pick. The time to care about that was months ago. Now that we are getting mercy wins from teams tanking for the lottery doesn't change the fact that this team needs radical overhauls at every position, particularly PG. Lin has not been playing well at all and is taking credit away from guys who have actually been contributing positively like RHJ and Acy.

Mind you, when I see the narrative on here trying to be pushed as "Nets are winning because of Lin", it annoys me too. When we win it's not a one man show, and when we lose its not a one man defeat. This is a team, they play as a team more than any other Nets team we've had around here for a long time (not since the Kidd/VC days frankly, despite our bad record).

That being said, while he hasn't played great, he's still been contributing and also, keep in mind that this guy is still basically coming back from a long layoff. We are better with him than without, period

[uballer]

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

Yes, because Memphis clearly chose to lose against us. in a game where Lin played his ass off at that.

listen, if you want to spin everything as a negative, that's your prerogative to do so. I don't think that getting pissy about this team winning games in March is really worth it, but by all means.

You're upset when the team loses because you don't want Boston to get a top 2 pick

You're upset when the team wins because the opponents "let" the Nets win.

what's the point?

I get upset when we throw flowers at the feet of someone who doesn't deserve the praise.

It has long passed since we had a chance to prevent the Celtics from getting that pick. The time to care about that was months ago. Now that we are getting mercy wins from teams tanking for the lottery doesn't change the fact that this team needs radical overhauls at every position, particularly PG. Lin has not been playing well at all and is taking credit away from guys who have actually been contributing positively like RHJ and Acy.

We don't need a troll here in Nets forum. You better realize that a lot of people are smarter than you and understand your agenda.

[Jagger-meister]

Yes, because Memphis clearly chose to lose against us. in a game where Lin played his ass off at that.

listen, if you want to spin everything as a negative, that's your prerogative to do so. I don't think that getting pissy about this team winning games in March is really worth it, but by all means.

You're upset when the team loses because you don't want Boston to get a top 2 pick

You're upset when the team wins because the opponents "let" the Nets win.

what's the point?

I get upset when we throw flowers at the feet of someone who doesn't deserve the praise.

It has long passed since we had a chance to prevent the Celtics from getting that pick. The time to care about that was months ago. Now that we are getting mercy wins from teams tanking for the lottery doesn't change the fact that this team needs radical overhauls at every position, particularly PG. Lin has not been playing well at all and is taking credit away from guys who have actually been contributing positively like RHJ and Acy.

Mind you, when I see the narrative on here trying to be pushed as "Nets are winning because of Lin", it annoys me too. When we win it's not a one man show, and when we lose its not a one man defeat. This is a team, they play as a team more than any other Nets team we've had around here for a long time (not since the Kidd/VC days frankly, despite our bad record).

That being said, while he hasn't played great, he's still been contributing and also, keep in mind that this guy is still basically coming back from a long layoff. We are better with him than without, period

I agree and it's why I'm refuting these narratives. He played well today so if someone wants to give him credit today then I have nothing to say to it. It's when you read that the Nets are all of a sudden good because Lin is back that I'm going to call a spade a spade. You got people saying I'm trolling but I back my point with the numbers. They get mad when they can't refute those stats but continue to push the Lin is an All-star narrative.

I also wouldnt base much on another win where the other team shutting down 60% of its starters. We don't have to apologize for the win but the last thing you want is for these meaningless games at the end of the season dictate the direction of the offseason. We still need a lot in player upgrades because when these teams are fully healthy and motivated, they would crush us. Lin should be moved to 6th man. Levert and RHJ are locks for next season. Other then that, everyone are expendable.

[bws94]

Lin had one bad stretch, coming back in the 2Q. He was amped up, making not so great fouls, forcing passes, had some TOs, but he played a good 3Q and a calm, effective 4Q. He had 2 blocks I think, he and IW are blocking machines. I think the biggest impact is how he just goes on instinct down the stretch, and usually, not always but usually, it pays off. Lin's challenge is to handle pressure better and try not to get trapped quite as much, and to get a floater going around the rim. D is strong, every player gets in foul trouble every so often.

Just hope Lin stays healthy next season. If he does, if he plays his usual 75 plus games, then this team will improve greatly. I like the bench and a lot of the young guys. Add another ball-handling combo guard and 2 way big and we have something.

[bws94]

I get upset when we throw flowers at the feet of someone who doesn't deserve the praise.

It has long passed since we had a chance to prevent the Celtics from getting that pick. The time to care about that was months ago. Now that we are getting mercy wins from teams tanking for the lottery doesn't change the fact that this team needs radical overhauls at every position, particularly PG. Lin has not been playing well at all and is taking credit away from guys who have actually been contributing positively like RHJ and Acy.

Mind you, when I see the narrative on here trying to be pushed as "Nets are winning because of Lin", it annoys me too. When we win it's not a one man show, and when we lose its not a one man defeat. This is a team, they play as a team more than any other Nets team we've had around here for a long time (not since the Kidd/VC days frankly, despite our bad record).

That being said, while he hasn't played great, he's still been contributing and also, keep in mind that this guy is still basically coming back from a long layoff. We are better with him than without, period

I agree and it's why I'm refuting these narratives. He played well today so if someone wants to give him credit today then I have nothing to say to it. It's when you read that the Nets are all of a sudden good because Lin is back that I'm going to call a spade a spade. You got people saying I'm trolling but I back my point with the numbers. They get mad when they can't refute those stats but continue to push the Lin is an All-star narrative.

I also wouldnt base much on another win where the other team shutting down 60% of its starters. We don't have to apologize for the win but the last thing you want is for these meaningless games at the end of the season dictate the direction of the offseason. We still need a lot in player upgrades because when these teams are fully healthy and motivated, they would crush us. Lin should be moved to 6th man. Levert and RHJ are locks for next season. Other then that, everyone are expendable.

I don't know why you insist on moving Lin out of starting PG position. Other guys in the NBA, guys like Kemba, say Lin is good enough to be an effective starting PG. And he's showing he has the stuff. Of course he can improve some things, but overall, he's shown he can do the job and has some intangibles as well.

And I don't know why you're fighting this fight so forcibly. Most comments are pretty reasonable, and you are downplaying his impact. A lot of the same games the Nets are winning now were lost earlier, so he's a part, not all, of why. But geez, a lot of people are saying the young guys are improving and the new guys add defensive toughness. And Lin is the first to say, it's not all about him and a lot of credit goes to plenty guys on the team. Did you see his post-game interview with Sarah K?

[tonman]

I get upset when we throw flowers at the feet of someone who doesn't deserve the praise.

It has long passed since we had a chance to prevent the Celtics from getting that pick. The time to care about that was months ago. Now that we are getting mercy wins from teams tanking for the lottery doesn't change the fact that this team needs radical overhauls at every position, particularly PG. Lin has not been playing well at all and is taking credit away from guys who have actually been contributing positively like RHJ and Acy.

Mind you, when I see the narrative on here trying to be pushed as "Nets are winning because of Lin", it annoys me too. When we win it's not a one man show, and when we lose its not a one man defeat. This is a team, they play as a team more than any other Nets team we've had around here for a long time (not since the Kidd/VC days frankly, despite our bad record).

That being said, while he hasn't played great, he's still been contributing and also, keep in mind that this guy is still basically coming back from a long layoff. We are better with him than without, period

I agree and it's why I'm refuting these narratives. He played well today so if someone wants to give him credit today then I have nothing to say to it. It's when you read that the Nets are all of a sudden good because Lin is back that I'm going to call a spade a spade. You got people saying I'm trolling but I back my point with the numbers. They get mad when they can't refute those stats but continue to push the Lin is an All-star narrative.

I also wouldnt base much on another win where the other team shutting down 60% of its starters. We don't have to apologize for the win but the last thing you want is for these meaningless games at the end of the season dictate the direction of the offseason. We still need a lot in player upgrades because when these teams are fully healthy and motivated, they would crush us. Lin should be moved to 6th man. Levert and RHJ are locks for next season. Other then that, everyone are expendable.

I responded in the GT and you did not acknowledge. Atlanta didn't shut down their starters. the were injured. just say it. Atlanta is now 6th and only 1.5 games from falling to 8th. they're lucky they have a 3 game cushion as they may be on a slide out of the playoffs. but of course, they chose to "shut down" three of theirs starters on a 6 game losing streak.


Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer said Millsap has had swelling in the knee and an MRI ''was clean, nothing unusual.'' Budenholzer said the plan is ''just continuing to monitor him and rehab and hope for the best.''

[Lorenzomax7]

Our defense also got better by subtracting Scola, Bogs and adding KJ/ACY types. RHJ/IW/CL have also shown improvement.

I agree Lin has helped us win some games just by his calming effect on his teammates but to say he alone is the reason for the recent Ws seems unfair.

agreed.

again...it is a team effort, win or lose.

Unfortunately every positive thing about this team gets attributed to Lin by some even when presented with quantifiable evidence suggesting otherwise.

Someone shooting 40/32 is hurting the team not helping it.

We won without him with a couple of d league guys.

He actually cost us a win when he tackled Marcus Smart because he was being lazy and didn't box out. But he's Mr 4th quarter.

If you really want to attribute a reason why we have won recently it's because teams a choosing to lose against us. Phoenix started the youngest lineup in NBA history against us the other night. In fact it was younger than 7 of the Elite 8 teams starting lineups. Remember when people say that the best college team can beat the worst NBA team, they can't. We just saw that. NY didn't play Porzingas in one of our games and Phil has imploded that team. Sacramento stripped the team clean of talent when they gave Cousins away.

Even though all of this has been going on Lin is STILL struggling. He's not worth going into next season as the starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick at this point.

What a false observation and statement you have made.

NetRtg in the 4th quarter:
Lin +10.1, Top 8th among stars in the L
Milsap +10.5, Top 6th among stars in the L

Nets without Lin 6-38
Hawks without Millsap 0-8

Lin's Player Impact Estimate is 12.4 since the ASB, which is the best among the Nets.

http://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/#!?sort=PIE&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&Seas%20cdth=Regular%20Season&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=02%2F14%2F2017&TeamID=1610612751

Go figure.

[Jagger-meister]

Mind you, when I see the narrative on here trying to be pushed as "Nets are winning because of Lin", it annoys me too. When we win it's not a one man show, and when we lose its not a one man defeat. This is a team, they play as a team more than any other Nets team we've had around here for a long time (not since the Kidd/VC days frankly, despite our bad record).

That being said, while he hasn't played great, he's still been contributing and also, keep in mind that this guy is still basically coming back from a long layoff. We are better with him than without, period

I agree and it's why I'm refuting these narratives. He played well today so if someone wants to give him credit today then I have nothing to say to it. It's when you read that the Nets are all of a sudden good because Lin is back that I'm going to call a spade a spade. You got people saying I'm trolling but I back my point with the numbers. They get mad when they can't refute those stats but continue to push the Lin is an All-star narrative.

I also wouldnt base much on another win where the other team shutting down 60% of its starters. We don't have to apologize for the win but the last thing you want is for these meaningless games at the end of the season dictate the direction of the offseason. We still need a lot in player upgrades because when these teams are fully healthy and motivated, they would crush us. Lin should be moved to 6th man. Levert and RHJ are locks for next season. Other then that, everyone are expendable.

I responded in the GT and you did not acknowledge. Atlanta didn't shut down their starters. the were injured. just say it. Atlanta is now 6th and only 1.5 games from falling to 8th. they're lucky they have a 3 game cushion as they may be on a slide out of the playoffs. but of course, they chose to "shut down" three of theirs starters on a 6 game losing streak.

Regardless of how, they were missing 3 starters. One of which is thier best player. The team we played today wouldn't be a playoff team. There was no great victory won today. Lin and Lopez vs Howard and Schroeder is a wash. I would hope that our other 3 starters were capable of out playing their 3 backups.

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[tonman]

I agree and it's why I'm refuting these narratives. He played well today so if someone wants to give him credit today then I have nothing to say to it. It's when you read that the Nets are all of a sudden good because Lin is back that I'm going to call a spade a spade. You got people saying I'm trolling but I back my point with the numbers. They get mad when they can't refute those stats but continue to push the Lin is an All-star narrative.

I also wouldnt base much on another win where the other team shutting down 60% of its starters. We don't have to apologize for the win but the last thing you want is for these meaningless games at the end of the season dictate the direction of the offseason. We still need a lot in player upgrades because when these teams are fully healthy and motivated, they would crush us. Lin should be moved to 6th man. Levert and RHJ are locks for next season. Other then that, everyone are expendable.

I responded in the GT and you did not acknowledge. Atlanta didn't shut down their starters. the were injured. just say it. Atlanta is now 6th and only 1.5 games from falling to 8th. they're lucky they have a 3 game cushion as they may be on a slide out of the playoffs. but of course, they chose to "shut down" three of theirs starters on a 6 game losing streak.

Regardless of how, they were missing 3 starters. One of which is thier best player. The team we played today wouldn't be a playoff team. There was no great victory won today. Lin and Lopez vs Howard and Schroeder is a wash. I would hope that our other 3 starters were capable of out playing their 3 backups.

If you add bazemore and thebo then Prince wouldn't necessarily score 17. Nets won by 15 so deciding player would be millsap. Which shows the nets can be competjtve with 1-2 more good quality players. If the hawks are.thrash then the nets did what they are supposed to do and win. How.Would losing to.this hawks team look like?