Why aren't we starting SJ and King Henry?

PistonsSince85 · Post #1 » by **PistonsSince85** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:45 pm

Full on tank. Might as well see what we have in these two.

SVG is likely too busy being a master of panic and stuffing his fat mouth with hoho's to make this logical change.

jakebernat · Post #2 » by **jakebernat** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:53 pm

They should at least both be major rotational players at this point. It's clear this rotation isn't working, so the fact that he hasn't at least tried something else is a bit mind-boggling

DBC10 · Post #3 » by **DBC10** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:09 pm

Well we all know SVG is stubborn to a fault, I think he's a bit too old school to give mins to young guys unless he has to.

I honestly think at this point he's trying to salvage trade value for most of our starters so we can explore options on the market once the draft rolls around. If this isn't the case, then welp.

JohnReese · Post #4 » by **JohnReese** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:40 pm

I would start Ellenson but as a center. Bench Drummond! He can't defend worse than Andre and he can strech the floor and he is not a liability with a poor free-throw shooting.

Canadafan · Post #5 » by **Canadafan** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:08 pm

We've lost like our last 6 of 7 or something like that so if we're "tanking" we're best off doing what we're doing.
If I was SVG I'd start Baynes and have Boban back him up. And force Drummond to play 3rd string lol. Same with Ish starting and Beno backup. With Reggie being forced to come in for a few minutes as 3rd stringer. I'm more concerned with Drummond than Jackson though to be honest. Jackson legitimately jumps off his off leg to go up for layups. He has no strength in that left leg of his.

Han Solo · Post #6 » by **Han Solo** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:29 pm

Supposedly, Johnson walked away from Van Gundy out of spite during a timeout.. At this point he's looking liking a major bust considering Booker looks like the next Kobe. That will be a pick that will haunt this franchise for 10 (or more) years. Especially since Booker was a Michigan kid. This is a depressing team and Johnson is a major disappointment. He's had enough minutes to see if he has (it).. he doesn't.

pistontr · Post #7 » by **pistontr** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:45 pm

maybe they don't deserve it. I remember pistons fans were crying about kim english.

russkopp · Post #8 » by **russkopp** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:10 pm

Han Solo wrote:Supposedly, Johnson walked away from Van Gundy out of spite during a timeout.. At this point he's looking liking a major bust considering Booker looks like the next Kobe. That will be a pick that will haunt this franchise for 10 (or more) years. Especially since Booker was a Michigan kid. This is a depressing team and Johnson is a major disappointment. He's had enough minutes to see if he has (it).. he doesn't.

Exactly, god bless the kid for playing with energy but he can't shoot, dribble or jump. SVG/bower has made decent to very good trades but overall their overall moves have lead to a mediocre team.

We're trapped

bstein14 · Post #9 » by **bstein14** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:24 pm

Last year Stanley Johnson tweeted something negative towards a Pistons fan that said we should have drafted Booker over him. Wonder how Stanley feels about that after seeing Booker drop 70.

chrbal · Post #10 » by **chrbal** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:43 pm

PistonsSince85 wrote:Full on tank. Might as well see what we have in these two.

SVG is likely too busy being a master of panic and stuffing his fat mouth with hoho's to make this logical change.

Why do we still have Beno Udrih? He racked up CD-DNPs since December. We are just about out of the playoffs, and would be better served bringing in a D-League PG for a look.

bstein14 wrote:Last year Stanley Johnson tweeted something negative towards a Pistons fan that said we should have drafted Booker over him. Wonder how Stanley feels about that after seeing Booker drop 70.

Its cool that he scored 70 and he is young and talented. But I think its crazy that he scored 70, the Suns lost by ten, and the rest of the Suns scored 20 fewer points combined VS Booker by himself. Whatever Suns are a mess this year and I really hope they stay terrible for a long time.

Uncle Mxy · Post #11 » by **Uncle Mxy** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:56 pm

russkopp wrote:
Han Solo wrote:Supposedly, Johnson walked away from Van Gundy out of spite during a timeout.. At this point he's looking liking a major bust considering Booker looks like the next Kobe. That will be a pick that will haunt this franchise for 10 (or more) years. Especially since Booker was a Michigan kid. This is a depressing team and Johnson is a major disappointment. He's had enough minutes to see if he has (it).. he doesn't.

Exactly, god bless the kid for playing with energy but he can't shoot, dribble or jump. SVG/bower has made decent to very good trades but overall their overall moves have lead to a mediocre team.

We're trapped

Awww c'mon! Stanley Johnson is playing like a perfectly decent 2nd round pick!

jakebernat · Post #12 » by **jakebernat** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:17 pm

to be fair, stanley hasn't exactly been put in a position where he can maximize his strengths. he's a decent midrange and a capable outside shooter, but he's not a floor-spacer by any means, and he's often put in lineups where the floor-spacing is average at best.

his biggest strengths offensively are his ability to operate out of the P&R, mostly hitting the roll man or open shooter, attacking the rim in transition, and just being a glue guy willing to make the extra/correct pass.

obviously, his defensive prowess is noted, and i honestly believe his shortcomings on this end are overblown by SVG because of his commitment to morris and stubbornness to really shake up the rotation. he'll never score 70, but he'll lock down his fair share of stars in his career, i'm sure of it.

Alexander · Post #13 » by **Alexander** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:14 am

You know how if you say Beetlejuice three times he'll appear?
Well, I think we have a reverse situation on our hands, and every three times we say "King Henry" he gets a DNP-CD.
We should really stop saying King Henry. Just to, you know, see what happens.

Pharaoh · Post #14 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:23 am

SVG doesn't believe that handing bulk minutes to young kids makes them better.

He believes that IF they show and prove good habits in practice then you give them minutes...

That's all fine and dandy when you're a winning team with quality vets.

When you're a Lotto team with a seriously flawed roster the kids might actually be better off getting consistent playing time so they get a real opportunity to show and prove.

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hoophabit · Post #15 » by **hoophabit** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:20 am

I'd guess the reason they're not starting is because we're still only 1 game out of a playoff berth. As horrendously frustrating as this team has been, there's still a chance. Alternatively, we're tanking and starting those guys could screw things up.

davidvolumes · Post #16 » by **davidvolumes** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:19 am

ZERO confidence in svg. Increased talent as gm but there is no chemistry. Better talent but does not have vision to put each player in position to succeed. Svg is as much the problem as dre, reg or anyone else.

ImHeisenberg · Post #17 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:43 am

Pharaoh wrote:SVG doesn't believe that handing bulk minutes to young kids makes them better.

He believes that IF they show and prove good habits in practice then you give them minutes...

That's all fine and dandy when you're a winning team with quality vets.

When you're a Lotto team with a seriously flawed roster the kids might actually be better off getting consistent playing time so they get a real opportunity to show and prove.

SVG's antiquated coaching outlook. Yeah, all that playing time really held back all those superstars and good players in the history of the NBA. LeBron definitely could have used a couple years riding the pine. :roll:

Pharaoh · Post #18 » by **Pharaoh** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:16 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:SVG doesn't believe that handing bulk minutes to young kids makes them better.

He believes that IF they show and prove good habits in practice then you give them minutes...

That's all fine and dandy when you're a winning team with quality vets.

When you're a Lotto team with a seriously flawed roster the kids might actually be better off getting consistent playing time so they get a real opportunity to show and prove.

SVG's antiquated coaching outlook. Yeah, all that playing time really held back all those superstars and good players in the history of the NBA. LeBron definitely could have used a couple years riding the pine.

To be fair he's not the only coach that thinks that way.

There's a fine line between having a tight leash and giving the player "enough" freedom

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Laimbeer · Post #19 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:40 pm

PistonsSince85 wrote:Full on tank. Might as well see what we have in these two.

SVG is likely too busy being a master of panic and stuffing his fat mouth with hoho's to make this logical change.

The irony here is rich.

PistonsSince85 · Post #20 » by **PistonsSince85** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:44 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
PistonsSince85 wrote:Full on tank. Might as well see what we have in these two.

SVG is likely too busy being a master of panic and stuffing his fat mouth with hoho's to make this logical change.

The irony here is rich.

Ah you must be one of those fools eager for a meaningless playoff birth/sweep.

Get with it. Only picks can save this team.