Bradley Beal - Part III

[payitforward]

I wouldn't be ready to add Booker to the list. Obviously, he had an unbelievable night last night! And he's a terrific young prospect. But, as I always try to remind myself, Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter! Booker hasn't yet been a very effective player, overall, however promising he is.

One guy no one is mentioning as a top SG now & for the future is Gary Harris. He's having a tremendous season.

[Kanyewest]

I wouldn't be ready to add Booker to the list. Obviously, he had an unbelievable night last night! And he's a terrific young prospect. But, as I always try to remind myself, Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter! Booker hasn't yet been a very effective player, overall, however promising he is.

One guy no one is mentioning as a top SG now & for the future is Gary Harris. He's having a tremendous season.

I need to watch the Nuggets more. They have a lot of interesting players.

I would put Booker in the "consider" category given that he is so young. Randy Foye was a sophomore at Villanova at Booker's age. Also might say a lot about Marcus Smart ability to pump up the opposition since Beal routinely takes him to school.

Booker's TS% is still relatively low which look pretty similar to Beal from a few years ago.

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[stevemcqueen1]

I wouldn't be ready to add Booker to the list. Obviously, he had an unbelievable night last night! And he's a terrific young prospect. But, as I always try to remind myself, Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter! Booker hasn't yet been a very effective player, overall, however promising he is.

One guy no one is mentioning as a top SG now & for the future is Gary Harris. He's having a tremendous season.

When did Randy Foye score 29 in a quarter? That's notable.

[nate33]

I wouldn't be ready to add Booker to the list. Obviously, he had an unbelievable night last night! And he's a terrific young prospect. But, as I always try to remind myself, Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter! Booker hasn't yet been a very effective player, overall, however promising he is.

One guy no one is mentioning as a top SG now & for the future is Gary Harris. He's having a tremendous season.

I need to watch the Nuggets more. They have a lot of interesting players.

I would put Booker in the "consider" category given that he is so young. Randy Foye was a sophomore at Villanova at Booker's age. Also might say a lot about Marcus Smart ability to pump up the opposition since Beal routinely takes him to school.

Booker's TS% is still relatively low which look pretty similar to Beal from a few years ago.

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Yeah, you can't ignore that Booker is only 20. Looking at his splits over the last 3 months, he has a USG% of 29 while maintaining an ORtg of about 104. That's pretty damn impressive for a 20-year-old. I think it's close to a sure thing that he'll be at least as good as Beal offensively when he hits his prime. The question is, will his defense ever come around? If it doesn't, then he's basically prime Kevin Martin. But if his defense becomes serviceable, then he might become a better version of Beal.

[DCZards]

Yeah, you can't ignore that Booker is only 20. Looking at his splits over the last 3 months, he has a USG% of 29 while maintaining an ORtg of about 104. That's pretty damn impressive for a 20-year-old. I think it's close to a sure thing that he'll be at least as good as Beal offensively when he hits his prime. The question is, will his defense ever come around? If it doesn't, then he's basically prime Kevin Martin. But if his defense becomes serviceable, then he might become a better version of Beal.

Well, we really don't know if Booker will ever become "a better version of Beal" since Beal, imo, is not even close to his peak. So we have yet to see the best version of BB.

No question though that Booker is a talent. You could see that emerging last season. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he doesn't end up a better pure shooter than Beal. He may be that already. I just don't know if he'll ever be a better all around player than Beal. I particularly question whether Booker will ever play with the physicality that Beal plays with.

[Illmatic12]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily. He doesn't have the strength yet but you can see how deadly he's going to be in 5-6 years. I've been impressed with him since his rookie year, one of my favorite young players.

Booker is actually more of an isolation-heavy player than people think, he's stylistically more similar to a less athletic Kobe (talking offense only, defense is nowhere close) or Melo than he is to the mold of a Beal or Ray Allen type,

I would project Booker to average ~30ppg in his prime, probably on middling efficiency but he will have some seriously explosive scoring performances in his future. The league is trending to favor players like him, and if he's anointed as PHX marquee player he's going to get a lot of FT calls.

[NatP4]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily. He doesn't have the strength yet but you can see how deadly he's going to be in 5-6 years. I've been impressed with him since his rookie year, one of my favorite young players.

Booker is actually more of an isolation-heavy player than people think, he's stylistically more similar to a less athletic Kobe (talking offense only, defense is nowhere close) or Melo than he is to the mold of a Beal or Ray Allen type,

I would project Booker to average ~30ppg in his prime, probably on middling efficiency but he will have some seriously explosive scoring performances in his future. The league is trending to favor players like him, and if he's anointed as PHX marquee player he's going to get a lot of FT calls.

So Carmelo Anthony in a shooting guard body? Dude is 90th in DRPM among 2 guards. I'm seeing a 2nd rate star.

[nate33]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily.

You make it sound like Booker towers over Beal. Booker is an inch taller than Beal, has the same wingspan, and has 2 inches more standing reach. However, Beal's no-step vertical is 6 inches higher. Also, Beal grew at least an inch since those measurements were taken. (Booker may have grown some more as well.)

[Illmatic12]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily. He doesn't have the strength yet but you can see how deadly he's going to be in 5-6 years. I've been impressed with him since his rookie year, one of my favorite young players.

Booker is actually more of an isolation-heavy player than people think, he's stylistically more similar to a less athletic Kobe (talking offense only, defense is nowhere close) or Melo than he is to the mold of a Beal or Ray Allen type,

I would project Booker to average ~30ppg in his prime, probably on middling efficiency but he will have some seriously explosive scoring performances in his future. The league is trending to favor players like him, and if he's anointed as PHX marquee player he's going to get a lot of FT calls.

So Carmelo Anthony in a shooting guard body? Dude is 90th in DRPM among 2 guards. I'm seeing a 2nd rate star.

Melo is a first ballot HOFer. And yes I think Booker has that potential .

Not gonna be an MVP level player (I see Giannis and Towns as having that kind of potential), but he can be the greatest scorer in this next era after KD/Harden/Lebron are declined

[Illmatic12]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily.

You make it sound like Booker towers over Beal. Booker is an inch taller than Beal, has the same wingspan, and has 2 inches more standing reach. However, Beal's no-step vertical is 6 inches higher. Also, Beal grew at least an inch since those measurements were taken. (Booker may have grown some more as well.)

Idk about towers over, but Booker definitely has a bigger frame and posts up more. I rarely ever see Brad post a guy up and just turn around and shoot it over him like that.. if he did , it would give him more options in isolation.

Jared Dudley did a podcast not too long ago with The Ringer, and he talked about playing with Wall and Beal and what he's noticed about their games (also very interesting comparisons he made between playing with Wall, Nash, and Paul). And he touched on this current Suns team as well, and one the thing he mentioned about Booker is that he is really trying to work the post up game into his arsenal, which I think would make him deadly as an isolation scorer.

[Tricky_Kid]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily.

You make it sound like Booker towers over Beal. Booker is an inch taller than Beal, has the same wingspan, and has 2 inches more standing reach. However, Beal's no-step vertical is 6 inches higher. Also, Beal grew at least an inch since those measurements were taken. (Booker may have grown some more as well.)

Idk about towers over, but Booker definitely has a bigger frame and posts up more. I rarely ever see Brad post a guy up and just turn around and shoot it over him like that.. if he did , it would give him more options in isolation.

Jared Dudley did a podcast not too long ago with The Ringer, and he talked about playing with Wall and Beal and what he's noticed about their games (also very interesting comparisons he made between playing with Wall, Nash, and Paul). And he touched on this current Suns team as well, and one the thing he mentioned about Booker is that he is really trying to work the post up game into his arsenal, which I think would make him deadly as an isolation scorer.

Can u give a link to this podcast?

[nuposse04]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily. He doesn't have the strength yet but you can see how deadly he's going to be in 5-6 years. I've been impressed with him since his rookie year, one of my favorite young players.

Booker is actually more of an isolation-heavy player than people think, he's stylistically more similar to a less athletic Kobe (talking offense only, defense is nowhere close) or Melo than he is to the mold of a Beal or Ray Allen type,

I would project Booker to average ~30ppg in his prime, probably on middling efficiency but he will have some seriously explosive scoring performances in his future. The league is trending to favor players like him, and if he's anointed as PHX marquee player he's going to get a lot of FT calls.

So Carmelo Anthony in a shooting guard body? Dude is 90th in DRPM among 2 guards. I'm seeing a 2nd rate star.

Melo is a first ballot HOFer. And yes I think Booker has that potential .

Not gonna be an MVP level player (I see Giannis and Towns as having that kind of potential), but he can be the greatest scorer in this next era after KD/Harden/Lebron are declined

lolwut? Melo was good in his nuggets days, but dude is a career loser overall. Probably deserves HOF consideration for his totals, but the man is a volume chucker who had a popular name. Him being 1st ballot entirely depends on the class he is in.

[Benjammin]

It's the basketball hall of fame, not the NBA hall of fame. It's easy to forget that. Melo's NCAA championship and Olympics competition helps with that.

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[nate33]

So Carmelo Anthony in a shooting guard body? Dude is 90th in DRPM among 2 guards. I'm seeing a 2nd rate star.

Melo is a first ballot HOFer. And yes I think Booker has that potential .

Not gonna be an MVP level player (I see Giannis and Towns as having that kind of potential), but he can be the greatest scorer in this next era after KD/Harden/Lebron are declined

lolwut? Melo was good in his nuggets days, but dude is a career loser overall. Probably deserves HOF consideration for his totals, but the man is a volume chucker who had a popular name. Him being 1st ballot entirely depends on the class he is in.

I always thought Melo was overrated, but the bottom line is that his total career points total is impressive. He currently ranks 30th in total career points; and every eligible player in the top 43 of total career points scorers is in the HOF. The highest scorer who isn't a HOFer is Tom Chambers (44th), the next highest is our very own Antawn Jamison (45th).

If Melo plays 3 more seasons, he'll score another 4000 points and finish with about 28,000 total career points. That'll rank him 11th all time. Tough to imagine the 11th most prolific scorer of all time not to be a first ballot HOFer.

[Illmatic12]

Thank you nate, that about sums it up. It's not easy nor common to put up the type of production Anthony did consistently for 10-12+ seasons, he has clearly had a HOF career.

Melo's biggest fault is that he simply wasn't good enough to carry a team to a championship on his own. But very few players are.. some guys on that 2nd tier level get lucky ala Paul Pierce, but many end up like Melo in terms of team success.

[Illmatic12]

You make it sound like Booker towers over Beal. Booker is an inch taller than Beal, has the same wingspan, and has 2 inches more standing reach. However, Beal's no-step vertical is 6 inches higher. Also, Beal grew at least an inch since those measurements were taken. (Booker may have grown some more as well.)

Idk about towers over, but Booker definitely has a bigger frame and posts up more. I rarely ever see Brad post a guy up and just turn around and shoot it over him like that.. if he did , it would give him more options in isolation.

Jared Dudley did a podcast not too long ago with The Ringer, and he talked about playing with Wall and Beal and what he's noticed about their games (also very interesting comparisons he made between playing with Wall, Nash, and Paul). And he touched on this current Suns team as well, and one the thing he mentioned about Booker is that he is really trying to work the post up game into his arsenal, which I think would make him deadly as an isolation scorer.

Can u give a link to this podcast?

Sure, here you go:

https://player.fm/series/the-ringer-nba-show-1270577/ep-71-one-on-one-with-jared-dudley

Normally not a big fan of the host (Chris Vernon) but he did a really good job with this interview

[dangermouse]

I've seen Booker compared to Brandon Roy, but "Shooting Guard Melo" is a really good comparison

[nuposse04]

Thank you nate, that about sums it up. It's not easy nor common to put up the type of production Anthony did consistently for 10-12+ seasons, he has clearly had a HOF career.

Melo's biggest fault is that he simply wasn't good enough to carry a team to a championship on his own. But very few players are.. some guys on that 2nd tier level get lucky ala Paul Pierce, but many end up like Melo in terms of team success.

He can have his lifetime achievement award, but the fact is, the seasons he spent in trying to get to this eventuality were not very good. It is a sham award in his case and shouldn't ascribe him any status. So he scored a lot of points... yah but on meh efficiency. You shouldn't be thought well of for being a quasi chucker.

[DCZards]

He can have his lifetime achievement award, but the fact is, the seasons he spent in trying to get to this eventuality were not very good. It is a sham award in his case and shouldn't ascribe him any status. So he scored a lot of points... yah but on meh efficiency. You shouldn't be thought well of for being a quasi chucker.

Carmelo led Syracuse to a NCAA championship as a freshman, is the only NBA player with three Olympic gold medals and is a 10-time NBA all-star. On top of that, while it probably shouldn’t impact whether or not he makes the HOF, Melo has been one of the NBA’s most socially/politically active stars.

Singling out Melo’s “efficiency” as the reason he shouldn’t be in the basketball HOF is downright silly, imo.

[dobrojim]

Booker isn't a better pure shooter than Beal. But his overall scoring game is going to be more prolific imo, because of his size he will be able to post up and shoot over smaller defenders easily.

You make it sound like Booker towers over Beal. Booker is an inch taller than Beal, has the same wingspan, and has 2 inches more standing reach. However, Beal's no-step vertical is 6 inches higher. Also, Beal grew at least an inch since those measurements were taken. (Booker may have grown some more as well.)

Idk about towers over, but Booker definitely has a bigger frame and posts up more. I rarely ever see Brad post a guy up and just turn around and shoot it over him like that.. if he did , it would give him more options in isolation.

Jared Dudley did a podcast not too long ago with The Ringer, and he talked about playing with Wall and Beal and what he's noticed about their games (also very interesting comparisons he made between playing with Wall, Nash, and Paul). And he touched on this current Suns team as well, and one the thing he mentioned about Booker is that he is really trying to work the post up game into his arsenal, which I think would make him deadly as an isolation scorer.

True unless you count the seemingly quite frequent number of times the Wiz post BB on
an inbounds play and he scores alot. You'd think they'd be ready to defend it given how
often it has worked. But it's still working.