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College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

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If we have the 1st or 2nd pick, and take Ball, how will you feel

Feel VERY good about the pick
7
17%
OK with the pick
14
34%
Not particularly happy with it
8
20%
Pissed
9
22%
OK at 2, but at one 1 am not happy and will explain this pick in thread
3
7%
 
Total votes: 41

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Post#1641 » by DirtyDez » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:11 pm

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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1642 » by Sampagne » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:49 pm

who keeps spreading the lies that Ball is not athletic?
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1643 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:31 pm

I'm not sure Fox can run an NBA offense better than Knight, same problems with passing doesn't have the natural feel and prefers to iso attack.

The safest 4 are Fultz, Tatum, Jackson, Ball. Other guys you'd need to make a leap of faith on like Fox, Smith, Isaac.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1644 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:48 pm

Are we (speaking more as an NBA fan) sleeping on Terrance Ferguson? I don't think he'd be a good pick for us since we have Booker, and I think he's a 2-guard not a 3, but when Malik Monk is ranked so high with some similar knocks (Shot selection, streakiness, creating offense) Ferguson with a better physical profile and defensive potential I would think is more appealing. I'm not suggesting he's a top 5 pick, but I don't think I'll be surprised if he starts climbing up draft boards.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1645 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:15 am

Fultz, Ball or Jackson. Anything else is a real let down.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1646 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:18 am

Best case scenario for me would be either Fultz as best player or Jackson as best fit.

We need both types (No.1/2 scorer and All-NBA Defender) so get one this year and find the other next possible chance and we're set alongside Booker.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1647 » by kennydorglas » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:35 am

Former Walk-On hitting the clutch shot against UK.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1648 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:57 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Fultz, Ball or Jackson. Anything else is a real let down.


Not a fan of Tatum?
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Post#1649 » by OGBAH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:20 am

I keep thinking Jackson if we keep Bled.
He can play and guard 3 positions and is a willing passer... idk can't wait to see what we do
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1650 » by OGBAH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:23 am

bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:Fultz, Ball or Jackson. Anything else is a real let down.


Not a fan of Tatum?

I think Tatum isn't that much or at all a up grade over Warren..also i still like Duds to have a role going forward.
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Post#1651 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:02 pm

Sampagne wrote:who keeps spreading the lies that Ball is not athletic?

I might have missed it but I don't remember anyone outright saying hes a bad athlete but I do think its fair to question just how good of an athlete he really is. When i watch him he doesn't seem super explosive or quick but that might just be a product of his size and general smoothness of his game. Not that its the end all be all but i really hope he does the athletic testing at the combine because it would sure make me feel better about him if he tested out well.

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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1652 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:55 pm

OGBAH wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:Fultz, Ball or Jackson. Anything else is a real let down.


Not a fan of Tatum?

I think Tatum isn't that much or at all a up grade over Warren..also i still like Duds to have a role going forward.


I agree with this about Tatum. Will his presence just devalue TJ without adding much improvement? I think I want more of a team difference maker in this draft.

Duds is irrelevant to me.
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Post#1653 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:56 pm

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Sampagne wrote:who keeps spreading the lies that Ball is not athletic?

I might have missed it but I don't remember anyone outright saying hes a bad athlete but I do think its fair to question just how good of an athlete he really is. When i watch him he doesn't seem super explosive or quick but that might just be a product of his size and general smoothness of his game. Not that its the end all be all but i really hope he does the athletic testing at the combine because it would sure make me feel better about him if he tested out well.

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I think Ball is a much, much better athlete than people will admit. His playing style is just unhurried and controlled, which is a really odd thing to say given how breakneck his teams play.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1654 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:12 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
OGBAH wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Not a fan of Tatum?

I think Tatum isn't that much or at all a up grade over Warren..also i still like Duds to have a role going forward.


I agree with this about Tatum. Will his presence just devalue TJ without adding much improvement? I think I want more of a team difference maker in this draft.

Duds is irrelevant to me.


None of these prospects are going to step in on day 1 and be better than Warren. JJ is a great college defender and should be a good pro defender, and is a solid passer, but no one is a sure thing.

Even if we draft him, it's extremely unlikely he'd ever start in year one (unless TJ was injured).

I know some expect some sort of trade for Drummond or something but everything McD has said about what kind of team he is developing does not line up with that.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1655 » by Zelaznyrules » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:04 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
OGBAH wrote:I think Tatum isn't that much or at all a up grade over Warren..also i still like Duds to have a role going forward.


I agree with this about Tatum. Will his presence just devalue TJ without adding much improvement? I think I want more of a team difference maker in this draft.

Duds is irrelevant to me.


None of these prospects are going to step in on day 1 and be better than Warren. JJ is a great college defender and should be a good pro defender, and is a solid passer, but no one is a sure thing.

Even if we draft him, it's extremely unlikely he'd ever start in year one (unless TJ was injured).

I know some expect some sort of trade for Drummond or something but everything McD has said about what kind of team he is developing does not line up with that.


What comments are you referring to? I'm not disagreeing, I just hadn't picked up on whatever it is that led you to this conclusion unless you're just suggesting he's too slow to fit our style. I see some value in him but personally I'd rather find a defensive presence than a scoring big.
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Post#1656 » by MathiasPW » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:28 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
I agree with this about Tatum. Will his presence just devalue TJ without adding much improvement? I think I want more of a team difference maker in this draft.

Duds is irrelevant to me.


None of these prospects are going to step in on day 1 and be better than Warren. JJ is a great college defender and should be a good pro defender, and is a solid passer, but no one is a sure thing.

Even if we draft him, it's extremely unlikely he'd ever start in year one (unless TJ was injured).

I know some expect some sort of trade for Drummond or something but everything McD has said about what kind of team he is developing does not line up with that.


What comments are you referring to? I'm not disagreeing, I just hadn't picked up on whatever it is that led you to this conclusion unless you're just suggesting he's too slow to fit our style. I see some value in him but personally I'd rather find a defensive presence than a scoring big.

I won't look for the quotes, but I clearly remember him defending the Era of positionless basketball where any player can play multiple positions and switch on everything.

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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1657 » by kennydorglas » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:35 pm

Let's see the Kentucky's trio now:

De'Aaron Fox
1/3 in underdog games (huge win against UCLA, losses to Florida and UNC)
Another prospect without a great NetRtg impact
everything else looks ok, good NoVert number too
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Malik Monk
36.5" No Vert, just sick
Fantastic shooting splits
Very physically challenged at SG, but I cant see him playing PG in the NBA at all
Anything over 0,5 in the Prospect Rating for a unidimensional player is VERY GOOD tho.
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Edrice Adebayo
Hard to get excited about him, but his NoVert and FT Rtg maybe shows some hope for the future.
Obviously the lack of great bigs in this draft will help him a lot.
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Re: College basketball and 2017 draft 

Post#1658 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:37 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
I agree with this about Tatum. Will his presence just devalue TJ without adding much improvement? I think I want more of a team difference maker in this draft.

Duds is irrelevant to me.


None of these prospects are going to step in on day 1 and be better than Warren. JJ is a great college defender and should be a good pro defender, and is a solid passer, but no one is a sure thing.

Even if we draft him, it's extremely unlikely he'd ever start in year one (unless TJ was injured).

I know some expect some sort of trade for Drummond or something but everything McD has said about what kind of team he is developing does not line up with that.


What comments are you referring to? I'm not disagreeing, I just hadn't picked up on whatever it is that led you to this conclusion unless you're just suggesting he's too slow to fit our style. I see some value in him but personally I'd rather find a defensive presence than a scoring big.


He's constantly said he is happy with the guys he has drafted and it's important in today's game to have guys that can switch defensively on guys and guard guys on the perimeter.

One think SVG said after he played Cleveland last year (when Detroit was on a hot streak I think) was that he had to sit Drummond, because when the Cavs went with Love at Center Drummond was useless...couldn't keep up with him or pull him so far from the basket it just takes his major strength (rebounding) away.

I think eventually we will play a lot with Chriss/Bender at the bigs...once Bender develops and they both become better rebounders, or they will play with Williams (or Len if he's here).

I've seen someone say here they think everything McD says is in line with him trading Bledsoe for Drummond and I don't agree with that assessment at all. Sarver, in his address to season ticket holders mentioned the fact that we have a "near all star in Bledsoe". You don't say that to ticket holders and then trade him in the offseason.

I only mentioned Drummond here because I thought some might mention he (Warren) would also go in a Drummond trade.
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Post#1659 » by Zelaznyrules » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:47 pm

MathiasPW wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
None of these prospects are going to step in on day 1 and be better than Warren. JJ is a great college defender and should be a good pro defender, and is a solid passer, but no one is a sure thing.

Even if we draft him, it's extremely unlikely he'd ever start in year one (unless TJ was injured).

I know some expect some sort of trade for Drummond or something but everything McD has said about what kind of team he is developing does not line up with that.


What comments are you referring to? I'm not disagreeing, I just hadn't picked up on whatever it is that led you to this conclusion unless you're just suggesting he's too slow to fit our style. I see some value in him but personally I'd rather find a defensive presence than a scoring big.

I won't look for the quotes, but I clearly remember him defending the Era of positionless basketball where any player can play multiple positions and switch on everything.

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Not necessary, I remember the comments too. I just hadn't put them together with the idea of someone like Drummond. I do agree with it in principle too, we'd be far better off with someone like a healthy Noel than we would be with Drummond and that type.
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Post#1660 » by Saberestar » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:26 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Zelaznyrules wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
None of these prospects are going to step in on day 1 and be better than Warren. JJ is a great college defender and should be a good pro defender, and is a solid passer, but no one is a sure thing.

Even if we draft him, it's extremely unlikely he'd ever start in year one (unless TJ was injured).

I know some expect some sort of trade for Drummond or something but everything McD has said about what kind of team he is developing does not line up with that.


What comments are you referring to? I'm not disagreeing, I just hadn't picked up on whatever it is that led you to this conclusion unless you're just suggesting he's too slow to fit our style. I see some value in him but personally I'd rather find a defensive presence than a scoring big.


He's constantly said he is happy with the guys he has drafted and it's important in today's game to have guys that can switch defensively on guys and guard guys on the perimeter.

One think SVG said after he played Cleveland last year (when Detroit was on a hot streak I think) was that he had to sit Drummond, because when the Cavs went with Love at Center Drummond was useless...couldn't keep up with him or pull him so far from the basket it just takes his major strength (rebounding) away.

I think eventually we will play a lot with Chriss/Bender at the bigs...once Bender develops and they both become better rebounders, or they will play with Williams (or Len if he's here).

I've seen someone say here they think everything McD says is in line with him trading Bledsoe for Drummond and I don't agree with that assessment at all. Sarver, in his address to season ticket holders mentioned the fact that we have a "near all star in Bledsoe". You don't say that to ticket holders and then trade him in the offseason.

I only mentioned Drummond here because I thought some might mention he (Warren) would also go in a Drummond trade.

If we draft Ball or Fultz it is logical to try to trade Bledsoe and Chandler for Drummond. He is mobile for his size and young, and he is a near All Star too (indeed he has been an All Star already) and he is even a bigger name than Bledsoe.

Imagine this roster...

Fultz or Ball/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa
Warren/Dudley/DJJ
Chriss/Bender
Drummond/Len or Williams

And we have #33 to add more depth too.

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