Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[Texas Chuck]

I may be in the minority but Lonzo Ball doesn't impress me much

He's very good and I could see him as an all-star caliber player, but I don't think he is a franchise talent by any means. I have Tatum, Jackson, and Fultz rated higher... doesn't matter though- he's a guarantee to be a Laker at the #2 pick... Not sure how they're gonna do Russell, Clarkson, and Ball though

He's really talented, but man do I want no part of his dad. He could wreck a franchise in a heartbeat. Let it be somebody else.

[Mr B]

I may be in the minority but Lonzo Ball doesn't impress me much

He's very good and I could see him as an all-star caliber player, but I don't think he is a franchise talent by any means. I have Tatum, Jackson, and Fultz rated higher... doesn't matter though- he's a guarantee to be a Laker at the #2 pick... Not sure how they're gonna do Russell, Clarkson, and Ball though

He's really talented, but man do I want no part of his dad. He could wreck a franchise in a heartbeat. Let it be somebody else.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. His dad is going to be a major pain in the ass for whoever drafts him. Not to mention Ball is obviously feeling himself. Seems to have a little bit of Terrell Owens in him.

[Pointguard01]

Hold old is Bledsoe?

27...December 9.

Bledose may be entering his prime but he is 100% a player that will not age well. His career won't last long and he won't put us over the top. I'm super uninterested in investing in him over a 20-22 year old. Makes no sense to me. Once he begins to lose ANYTHING with his athletic ability, he is not an effective NBA player.

He's very good and I could see him as an all-star caliber player, but I don't think he is a franchise talent by any means. I have Tatum, Jackson, and Fultz rated higher... doesn't matter though- he's a guarantee to be a Laker at the #2 pick... Not sure how they're gonna do Russell, Clarkson, and Ball though

Less his Dad, I hate the way he handled his post game loss to Kentucky. It shows a lack of team / winning attitude to answer the question about going to the NBA with teammates right beside you after a loss. His whole appeal is his ability to make a team better, lead a team, etc, and that is not just on the court. He has talent absolutely, but that was a huge red flag for me. We won't have a chance to draft him so irrelevant what we think, but I would prefer to not cheer for him (mainly because of his Dad TBH).

[2011Champs]

Ball = less crazy Rondo 2.0 with a meddling dad. Agree to disagree with me but I'm 99% sure Ball will not be a star in the NBA. I may be completely wrong but that is my opinion at this point.

I actually think this year's draft is probably a bit overrated from top to bottom and if stars come out of the draft they won't be the big name guys. Again, just another H.S.O.

[Teffer10]

Bledose may be entering his prime but he is 100% a player that will not age well. His career won't last long and he won't put us over the top. I'm super uninterested in investing in him over a 20-22 year old. Makes no sense to me. Once he begins to lose ANYTHING with his athletic ability, he is not an effective NBA player.

I'm leaning more in this direction with Bledsoe. I'm probably one of the few who thinks Curry could eventually become our PG if Rick gives him enough time. I'm not saying he's my first choice but if he can become good over this experiment stage it will allow us to focus on other players in the draft. For instance if Isaac and Ntilikina are on the board I'd take Isaac if Curry is able to show signs of being a decent PG for us next season.

But one thing we should keep in mind with a rookie PG is the amount of time it will take to develop into an NBA caliber PG. With Barnes at 24 and Curry at 26 we don't have the time that teams (Minny, Lakers, Sixers, etc...) with a younger core would have. Some of the guys in the draft might adapt to the NBA well but Rick would most likely be overly patient with a rookie PG.

[Teffer10]

Does anyone know much about Miles Bridges? The few times I've watched him play he looks very active and seems to have some upside. I know he isn't a great shooter but think we have the system to help overcome that issue.
Reading comparisons to Stackhouse and Winslow but honestly I haven't seen him enough to fully see his strengths and weaknesses.

[agentofatlas]

Does anyone know much about Miles Bridges? The few times I've watched him play he looks very active and seems to have some upside. I know he isn't a great shooter but think we have the system to help overcome that issue.
Reading comparisons to Stackhouse and Winslow but honestly I haven't seen him enough to fully see his strengths and weaknesses.

Shooting is actually one of his strengths. He pretty ok at the catch and shoot but pretty wonky off the bounce. Athletic and strong too. Very very good motor as well. If you want a familiar comp maybe a bigger Justin Anderson with a much higher motor and maybe bbiq,.

The question right now is what is his position going forward. Is he a 3 or a 4?

[Pointguard01]

Does anyone know much about Miles Bridges? The few times I've watched him play he looks very active and seems to have some upside. I know he isn't a great shooter but think we have the system to help overcome that issue.
Reading comparisons to Stackhouse and Winslow but honestly I haven't seen him enough to fully see his strengths and weaknesses.

Yeah, I've watched him some, but not enough to have an opinion. He's a bit of a Jabari Parker (before this year), in that an undersized PF that needs to develop a 3-pointer to have a real role in this league. Parker did that this year and see where his game has gone. I think Bridges is a bit more physical, but some-what similar games. He's not Stackhouse and if he's Winslow, I'm not sure that's a good think (though it's always weird to compare a rookie to someone who hasn't fully developed).

Bledose may be entering his prime but he is 100% a player that will not age well. His career won't last long and he won't put us over the top. I'm super uninterested in investing in him over a 20-22 year old. Makes no sense to me. Once he begins to lose ANYTHING with his athletic ability, he is not an effective NBA player.

I'm leaning more in this direction with Bledsoe. I'm probably one of the few who thinks Curry could eventually become our PG if Rick gives him enough time. I'm not saying he's my first choice but if he can become good over this experiment stage it will allow us to focus on other players in the draft. For instance if Isaac and Ntilikina are on the board I'd take Isaac if Curry is able to show signs of being a decent PG for us next season.

But one thing we should keep in mind with a rookie PG is the amount of time it will take to develop into an NBA caliber PG. With Barnes at 24 and Curry at 26 we don't have the time that teams (Minny, Lakers, Sixers, etc...) with a younger core would have. Some of the guys in the draft might adapt to the NBA well but Rick would most likely be overly patient with a rookie PG.

Very true. But I think you could say that with any rookie.

If they are going to play, they will have to be SUPER talented and force their way into minutes or be a high basketball IQ type of player (which we would want anyways to some extent as a rookie -- it says a lot). I think someone like Lauri would get minutes regardless because of the mismatch, but Isaac/DSJ/Ntilikina all would need to prove their worth or may be stuck on the bench.

[Mr B]

Don't the Mavs already have a PF/SF tweener that starts for them?

[agentofatlas]

Don't the Mavs already have a PF/SF tweener that starts for them?

True but I think Bridges can play with Barnes at the forward spot. A prospect is often labeled a tweener when he can't defend a position. Bridges from what I've seen, can laterally stay with wings and strong enough to defend the post. His length is a little average for a PF but his athletism and motor I feel makes up for it.

In perfect world if Dallas was picking at the top 5, I'd grab a point guard with no hesitation. But in the 8-12 range I think you go with potential. Also we all know the best way Rick will play a rookie if he is good defensively.

[JamesConway]

I haven't been overly excited about him when we were projected to draft higher, but right now I'd say Ntilikina is probably the player who I think might be there when we pick (#9-10) and who I like the most out of our expected choices (Bridges, Allen, etc.). His biggest strength to me is his versatility as there is probably a decent chance that he ends up becoming a capable shooter, who is able to defend both guard positions and at the very least can run the PnR on the NBA level in an efficient way. That would give us a lot of positional fexibility going forward with a 6'5 combo PG/SG who can space the floor and handle the rock. In Carlisle's system that's probably the best type of guard to have anyway as we could plug in a variety of different guards alongside him (also those typical undersized shot creators Carlisle loves to roll out with to get enough dribble penetration on the floor).

PG/SG: Ntilikina
SF/PF: Barnes
C: Noel

should be rather easy to build with (lots of size/shooting/athleticism even for NBA standards, some ballhandling, an iso-threat, a PnR lob target, etc.) and seems like good split of the limited young lottery talent we have on the team with one at each the guard/wing/interior positions.

I'd still try hard to somehow bring in a second 1st round pick to give Carlisle some more ammunation outside all those rather limited late/undrafted rookies that we currently have on the roster (a skilled big like Zach Collins/Justin Patton or a physical freak like Anunoby would be great), but I guess that's very unlikely.

[Jinra]

With Dallas settling into the 9-10 pick, I am hoping all options are on the table at this point. I think Mavs should evaluate best available in the draft and in trades and then start targeting what is the move for the team.

[bobsquad]

He's very good and I could see him as an all-star caliber player, but I don't think he is a franchise talent by any means. I have Tatum, Jackson, and Fultz rated higher... doesn't matter though- he's a guarantee to be a Laker at the #2 pick... Not sure how they're gonna do Russell, Clarkson, and Ball though

He's really talented, but man do I want no part of his dad. He could wreck a franchise in a heartbeat. Let it be somebody else.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. His dad is going to be a major pain in the ass for whoever drafts him. Not to mention Ball is obviously feeling himself. Seems to have a little bit of Terrell Owens in him.

I've said it about him before, but here's the thing about Ball for me: if the Mavs are going to develop him, they're going to need to put the ball in his hands. A lot. He's probably going to be a great point guard in the league, but he's not close to being a starter on a team with the expectations of Dallas.

He plays loose and takes questionable shots (though unlike some I'm not concerned with his shooting mechanics in the long run). Some have posted lately about RC's willingness to develop young players, but he's never had to deal with a 19 year old point guard. Ball is not going to walk in and make a team better immediately. And with his style of play, he's not going to be a complementary player.

I don't care if Ball has more potential in the long run, I'm preferring Fultz at the top of our board because I see him as being more able to develop playing off the ball before we hand the reigns to him as floor general. He's more polished offensively and could potentially be our sixth man immediately.

[Mr B]

He's really talented, but man do I want no part of his dad. He could wreck a franchise in a heartbeat. Let it be somebody else.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. His dad is going to be a major pain in the ass for whoever drafts him. Not to mention Ball is obviously feeling himself. Seems to have a little bit of Terrell Owens in him.

I've said it about him before, but here's the thing about Ball for me: if the Mavs are going to develop him, they're going to need to put the ball in his hands. A lot. He's probably going to be a great point guard in the league, but he's not close to being a starter on a team with the expectations of Dallas.

He plays loose and takes questionable shots (though unlike some I'm not concerned with his shooting mechanics in the long run). Some have posted lately about RC's willingness to develop young players, but he's never had to deal with a 19 year old point guard. Ball is not going to walk in and make a team better immediately. And with his style of play, he's not going to be a complementary player.

I don't care if Ball has more potential in the long run, I'm preferring Fultz at the top of our board because I see him as being more able to develop playing off the ball before we hand the reigns to him as floor general. He's more polished offensively and could potentially be our sixth man immediately.

I don't believe Mavs will have a shot at Ball or Fultz. I still would not be surprised if the Mavs trade the pick for a young (1st or 2nd year) PG. Mudiay still comes to mind for me. Carlisle also has a history or turning around the careers of young guards (Chauncey Billups) who were considered busts.

[JamesConway]

Some more recent footage on Ntilikina (the full game has been posted here a few weeks ago)

Watch on YouTube

[Jinra]

I really hope that there is a trade to move up in this draft. I would really like to grab one of these point guards. I think that is the best scenario for Dallas.

[daoneandonly]

I really hope that there is a trade to move up in this draft. I would really like to grab one of these point guards. I think that is the best scenario for Dallas.

I think Ball is the best PG in the draft and Fultz (if he plays PG) will be the other good one, but I wouldn't trade up for any of the others. In an ideal world, Mavs would be able to get Lonzo Ball or Josh Jackson, and those are the only 2 I'd trade something significant to move up. I think you can keep Seth Curry as a starter with either one of those as the other guard.

[HotrodBeaubois]

We really need to move up to 7th and take Dennis Smith Jr


Dallas Wins 0 games
Sacramento needs 2 wins Vs Mavs / @ Lakers / Vs Phoenix

Minnesota needs 2 Wins Vs Lakers / Vs Sacramento / @ Lakers

Dallas Wins 1 game
Sacramento needs to win the 3 games above

Minnesota needs to win the 3 games above

Dallas Wins 2
Sacramento needs 1 more from @ NO / Vs Houston / @ Clippers

Minnesota needs 1 more from
Vs Port / @ GS / Vs Port / @ Uta / Vs Okc / @ Hou


Dallas doesn't need to win less games than Minnesota / Sacramento they just need to Tie ( Dallas does need to lose @ Sacramento and they should be eliminated the night before the Sacramento game ) If they Tie both and lose @ Sacramento then Minnesota / Sacramento win the season series over Dallas 2-1 and Dallas wins the lottery tiebreaker

[Darren]

I haven't been overly excited about him when we were projected to draft higher, but right now I'd say Ntilikina is probably the player who I think might be there when we pick (#9-10) and who I like the most out of our expected choices (Bridges, Allen, etc.). His biggest strength to me is his versatility as there is probably a decent chance that he ends up becoming a capable shooter, who is able to defend both guard positions and at the very least can run the PnR on the NBA level in an efficient way. That would give us a lot of positional fexibility going forward with a 6'5 combo PG/SG who can space the floor and handle the rock. In Carlisle's system that's probably the best type of guard to have anyway as we could plug in a variety of different guards alongside him (also those typical undersized shot creators Carlisle loves to roll out with to get enough dribble penetration on the floor).

PG/SG: Ntilikina
SF/PF: Barnes
C: Noel

should be rather easy to build with (lots of size/shooting/athleticism even for NBA standards, some ballhandling, an iso-threat, a PnR lob target, etc.) and seems like good split of the limited young lottery talent we have on the team with one at each the guard/wing/interior positions.

I'd still try hard to somehow bring in a second 1st round pick to give Carlisle some more ammunation outside all those rather limited late/undrafted rookies that we currently have on the roster (a skilled big like Zach Collins/Justin Patton or a physical freak like Anunoby would be great), but I guess that's very unlikely.

I am okay with the French kid as well. But still, I want a chance to the top pick. Or we can dump some salary to draft the French kid. I am perfectly fine with both scenario.

[Lord Cuban]

I want Dennis Smith... he is a good fit and brings new things to the table...